The term fangirl isn't sexist because..

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    Is calling someone a dumb fangirl sexist? 9

    1. Nope (7) 78%
    2. Yeah (2) 22%

    Using the term fangirl in a negative context isn't sexist because being a fangirl isn't being a girl on its own. Fangirl is the name of someone who is in a crazed obsession with a celebrity.


    For example there used to be an anti kpop fangirl blog and majority of them were girls themselves. Oh no they're not self hating they just AREN'T obsessive fangirls.


    You can be a girl and not a fangirl that's why the term fangirl is referring to being against the ones who are obsessive fans. Stans. For that same reason fuckboy is not sexist because it's speaking about a specific type of boy. Not all.


    Jennie "fuck boys not my boys" means she has boys they just aren't fuckboys that means the comment isn't hating all boys.


    The meaning of sexist is being sexist against the female gender. A specific group of girls who cultivate obsessive behaviour and scream and scream to the point of fainting when the idols take their shirt off at concerts that is a fangirl. Someone there for the show is just a girl. Therefore I don't find it sexist.


    I know plenty of women who don't fangirl who also bash fangirls .. they aren't sexist for that the fan-like behaviour is the thing that's being bashed. Not their gender.

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    This thread came to mind because I remember HardcoreBLINK getting mass bullied by armies because he called them stupid fangirls and they claimed he's sexist. But i really want to point out that he was calling them stupid because he thought they were biased and delulu like fangirl behaviour can be sometimes.


    Not because they were literally girls. That's why a lot of users didn't agree he was sexist for that.


    Perhaps we need to come up with a word that refers to obsessive fans that isn't using the word girl in it so it doesn't confuse people.

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    I hate it when I say something and people say well what about this thing?? Like no it ain't related. If you want my opinion on fanboys then ask for it. Don't assume I'm shielding them or whatever lol.


    If I say android sucks. People may reply oh yeah apple sucks too. Even tho I hate both.. see what I mean stop connecting the dots.

    I hadn't considered the word to be sexist before, but no that I think about it, it is. I've never heard it used in a non-derogatory or backhanded way. It's not a nice word used with good intentions.


    The reason I didn't consider it to be sexist before is cause women have reclaimed it. Like they did with "bitch" and "slut". Since the fandoms I'm in are mainly tv/movies (like Marvel/Dr Who) it's not that deep to be called a fangirl. It's not like people are gonna judge you at comic con (hell, everyone'd dressed up and looking obsessive as hell). As fangirl is used when referring to fans of musicians, it's a whole different meaning. It's like being called a sasaeng but it's woman specific (which is really unnecessary).


    And the argument could be made that the term "fanboy" exists as well. My counter to this is that the word "fan" exists as well. If the words fanboy and fangirl were supposed to be equivalent, why use a gender specific term at all. The fact that anyone would see a female fan and think "fangirl" but see a male fan and leave it a "fan" proves the sexist connotation of the word "fangirl. You get what I'm saying? Like it's if's not supposed to have the negative connotation of "crazy obsessed fangirl" why use it at all? It's a conscious choice that reveals bias.


    So what actually makes fangirl offensive? I realize I didn't answer this. As I touched on, it's unnecessarily gendered. Why differentiate/specify the type of fan if a fan is a fan? And let's consider the situations in girl fangirl is used:

    • A girl has 1D posters on her wall; she's a fangirl
    • A girl likes a football player (God forbid); she's a fangirl
    • A girl likes some celebrity; she's a fangirl

    It goes without question that if a guy liked any of these things he'd be referred to as a fan. Using "fangirl" is meant to belittle or invalidate the girl for liking what she likes. It's almost like saying "oh that's cute, the woman has interests" or "look at the little girl and her little boy crush".


    All this said, I have always called myself a SHINee fangirl (even though I'm not a girl-- I'm nonbinary but AFAB) because I'm a diehard fan and I'll always support them. There's no better way to be a fan than to be a fangirl; it's just more fun that way :pepe-simp:

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    The meaning of sexist is being sexist against the female gender. A specific group of girls who cultivate obsessive behaviour and scream and scream to the point of fainting when the idols take their shirt off at concerts that is a fangirl. Someone there for the show is just a girl. Therefore I don't find it sexist.


    I know plenty of women who don't fangirl who also bash fangirls .. they aren't sexist for that the fan-like behaviour is the thing that's being bashed. Not their gender.

    I feel like you're proving my point here cause what else are you supposed to do when an idol takes off their shirt at a concert? 9.9/10 they're doing it as fanservice and the fans are SUPPOSED to go crazy. Even my asexual, mostly-into-women ass would cheer cause how stupid would I look if my fave is up there working hard to put on a good show and I'm staring at him like :|

    Edited once, last by key10lee ().

    in absence of any context no


    you can call someone a fangirl or fanboy etc etc


    BUT and there's always a but context matters


    one can say yama is such a fanboy for NJ or kittykitka (come back to us you flop) is such a fangirl for BP - that's fine

    it's when one uses the terms in a derogatory sense that it becomes sexist

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    I hate it when I say something and people say well what about this thing?? Like no it ain't related. If you want my opinion on fanboys then ask for it. Don't assume I'm shielding them or whatever lol.


    If I say android sucks. People may reply oh yeah apple sucks too. Even tho I hate both.. see what I mean stop connecting the dots.

    sorry man i wasnt trying to upset you lol the dude called delusional bts fans fangirls right? isn't that assuming they are girls because they're exhibiting a behavior?

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    Quote from key10lee

    I feel like you're proving my point here cause what else are you supposed to do when an idol takes off their shirt at a concert? 9.9/10 they're doing it as fanservice and the fans are SUPPOSED to go crazy. Even my asexual, mostly-into-women ass would cheer cause how stupid would I look if my fave is up there working hard to put on a good show and I'm staring at him like :|

    It would probably be awkward if a male kpop artist took off his shirt showing off his abs, but no one screamed...


    Maybe it would be like when you tell a joke, but no one laughs.

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