IVE sajaegi? Which point I agree and which point I don't.

Are IVE's album sales numbers adding up? (netizenbuzz.blogspot.com)

1. [+233] Here's a list of everything that's suspicious about IVE's album sales:

- If their first week sales of 920k copies is real, then there should've been a significant amount of pre-orders, but none have been reported ❌ I mean just because they don't show pre-order it doesn't mean it not real

- They sold 460k copies their first day, 420k copies the next four weekdays, (and 40k on the weekend). So they were selling 100k a day that week but there have been no real time updates on receipts or group orders ❌ not sure about this one

- Somehow, even with these sales, they are not selling out or running out of inventory. Compared to New Jeans, who had 440k pre-orders and 320k first week sales, they were completely sold out offline ❌ not sure about this one

- So right after selling 920k their first week, they still had enough inventory to sell on Shopping Live that second week

- Hanteo/Gaon has them recording 1.1 million in sales in their fourth week, but they are still not out of inventory despite selling nearly 10-20k copies a day ✅This is what me sus they continue to sold 10k each day which is why it so sus. 900k already sus, but usually number don't increase that much after 1st week.

- Their Chinese group buy made up 1/3 of their first week sales (Aespa and New Jeans are 2/3)❌This is the problem here. Chinese bulk buy lmao

- Fans are claiming that 500k of the 600k sales are direct orders from Japan but BTS' Map of the Soul:7 (2020) album only sold 500k in direct orders to Japan. Even Twice's Yes or Yes (2018) album only sold 200k in the past three years there. ❌ People forget about international exist. Why only talk about Japan and China?? Love Dive did great on Global Spotify mean they probably grow fandom internationally.

- Their digital sales make no sense as well: They lack even 1/100 of the hype that New Jeans songs have but are breaking records on the level of BTS' 'Dynamite', Twice's 'Cheer Up', Brave Girls' 'Rollin', and Black Pink's 'Ddududdudu'.

❌Does IVE really have no hype?? Their hype is not as big as Newjeans, but they have been trending a lot in theqoo and other forum. Using hype to determine ranking is not a good way to explain why a song should chart better.

What's even more suspicious is that Melon lost 1.2 million users since 'Dynamite' and 'Rollin' so how can a new song released today catch up to past numbers? BTS has also never been able to beat Im Young Woong on the holiday morning charts but IVE has managed to beat out the power of Im Young Woong's fandom to stay at #1 all this time.

❌After LIKE didn't even do better than Dynamite and Rollin. Dynamite have over 680k uls faily and Rollin have around 630k daily. IVE didn't beat IYW on morning chart during holiday tho. They lost to them and come back up at 9 am. which is the time when gp listener starts to go up.

✅ What I agree is the the song don't give me the same hype as Rollin despite their uls being so close together. Their song is barely mention on "What are you listen" video on youtube. Newjeans have been mentioned for a few times while IVE doesn't really have much.

If we talk about overall performance, it doesn't look like it is sajaegi.

chart from international, domestically to physical and digital all match together imo. Unless Starship or Kakaro have that much money to sajaegi all domestical(Bugs, Genie, Melon, Flo, Vibe) and internationally chart.

I mean if literal Koreans are finding it weird I think that's more reliable than us allkpop users

Didn't Starship have the same sajaegi accusations for that one Sistar member? I wouldn't doubt it.

They broke TT pak record while having not even a quarter of the hype.

As for their sales it's called overshipping SM does the same.

Albums stay on shelves that's why their albums aren't sold out anywhere.

Then we have JYPE that ships less to lower there own groups numbers. (TWICE)

Kpop stans are insane imagine coming up with such a conspiracy theory just because the group you dislike is super successful...

I remember hearing term "sajaegistar" in like 2014 and the rumors about starship doing sajaegi somehow never end and the weird thing is they've never properly responded which is why most people think it's real

they could be boosting ive's numbers but which kpop company doesn't do that it's not serious

it's literally confirmed companies ship extra albums to exaggerate numbers

bruh take deep breaths. its not that serious. go touch grass. talk to your friends.

Just saw who made the video now everything makes sense. Why the hell are you giving clout for freaking Sojang the pathetic chick that was proved to be PAYING people to leave hate comments for Wonyoung on her videos.

gaon show most of ive sales come from korea, few come outside of it

the song its big going by the number but it weirdly doesn't give u that feel, like cheer up, du ddu du ddu, dynamite, ls, feel massive so that's weird

Also, next comeback will show if they are using sajaegi or not.

If they continue to have more uls, over 650k and 700k it definitely sajaegi.

yeah disagree why would they do that? I think they are popular in SK maybe it's case where song is bigger than artist that why you don't hear them in the "what song you listening to?" video

but still don't mean the song is sajaegi

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I remember hearing term "sajaegistar" in like 2014 and the rumors about starship doing sajaegi somehow never end and the weird thing is they've never properly responded which is why most people think it's real

they could be boosting ive's numbers but which kpop company doesn't do that it's not serious

it's literally confirmed companies ship extra albums to exaggerate numbers

Wouldnt make sense for Starship to boost the albums if they didn't mediaplayed about it. It wouldn't make sense either to do sajaegi with Sistar, then skip sajaegi for their next three groups and only do it again with Ive. But what makes even less sense, is how anons are giving clout to freaking Sojang?

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As for their sales it's called overshipping SM does the same.

Albums stay on shelves that's why their albums aren't sold out anywhere.

Then we have JYPE that ships less to lower there own groups numbers. (TWICE)

ive's hanteo numbers are very close to their gaon numbers so no overshipping.

overshipping is what twice does because their hanteo numbers are like half of their gaon numbers. all those albums are just sitting on shelves but no one is actually buying.

What do you expect from starship

people dont know what hanteo sale and gaon is. sitting on the shelves? lmao hanteo is real time sale and its as close as you can get to their gaon.

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- Hanteo/Gaon has them recording 1.1 million in sales in their fourth week, but they are still not out of inventory despite selling nearly 10-20k copies a day ✅This is what me sus they continue to sold 10k each day which is why it so sus. 900k already sus, but usually number don't increase that much after 1st week.

This already happened since Love Dive tho. IVE is not a group who is front load, they keep selling because the member version and fan meeting (same with Nmixx, etc)

Tho yeah it's sus because the album is really ugly, I rather buy their Japanese album because it's just so pretty. Maybe the children there like it.

After Like doesn't have viral dance like Eleven or Love Dive, but Gaeul's line is viral even BTS used it.

Y'all kids have no idea. Starship is renowned for their manipulation. Sistar's saejaegi. Izone rigging.

100% they are rigging something with Ive as well. Ive's demographic is mostly young kids.

They aren't beating Lim Young Woong in the morning when kids are in school.

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I remember hearing term "sajaegistar" in like 2014 and the rumors about starship doing sajaegi somehow never end and the weird thing is they've never properly responded which is why most people think it's real

they could be boosting ive's numbers but which kpop company doesn't do that it's not serious

it's literally confirmed companies ship extra albums to exaggerate numbers

Sistar songs also had good starts/peaks but terrible longevity (for the melon system back then)

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ive's hanteo numbers are very close to their gaon numbers so no overshipping.

overshipping is what twice does because their hanteo numbers are like half of their gaon numbers. all those albums are just sitting on shelves but no one is actually buying.

Twice's albums are always out of stock and jyp never restocks lol and Twice have the actual fandom to correlate with their numbers

You must be a new kpop fan it's a historical fact that Starship commits sajaegi when they want to

They have streaming factories and they do it every year for that only wjsn song and pretend it's the gp's doing lol

Mentioning TWICE numbers compared to them is only proving our point

Big three stans shaking.

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Twice's albums are always out of stock and jyp never restocks lol and Twice have the actual fandom to correlate with their numbers

You must be a new kpop fan it's a historical fact that Starship commits sajaegi when they want to

They have streaming factories and they do it every year for that only wjsn song and pretend it's the gp's doing lol

Mentioning TWICE numbers compared to them is only proving our point

Proof or you're just a salty SM stan

SM stans accused BTS of sajaegi now they're accusing IVE lol they hate to see non big 3 winning I'm cackling

People saying Starship would never do sajaegi is literally ignoring reality, when Starship is proven to have rigged Izone in their favor. Did they do it for Ive too, aka their golden goose they tried to rig in Izone as a foundation for Ive now? It’s not a sure fire thing but not completely out of the realm of possibility like y’all trying to convince yourself either. In fact, the chances of Starship doing some kind of sajaegi for Ive aren’t insignificantly small at all

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SM stans accused BTS of sajaegi now they're accusing IVE lol they hate to see non big 3 winning I'm cackling

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at least bighit went to court and proved they didn't do it. starship is still silent about sistar, pd48 and now ive

there was literally no basis to the sistar sajaegi allegations apart from the fact that they chatted well.

as to izone, most companies involved including mnet were shady. once's are really going to believe their MAMA SOTY awards for signal and what is love didn't involve some kind of payoff between JYP and mnet?

sounds like here a lot of salty big 3 stan's angry that their ggs are no longer on top.

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at least bighit went to court and proved they didn't do it. starship is still silent about sistar, pd48 and now ive

Starship didnt even do mediaplay about IVE's sales and you think they're gonna bother with rumors by antis?

IVE have doubled their numbers in streams and sales each comeback theyre gonna do much better next time. Their achievements will speak louder than words.

Yall insane for thinking Starship can buy spots in every chart and bulk buy their own albums and not even release articles about it. Not just that but are we gonna pretend IVE's popularity in Korea doesnt match their 2 it girls and the other 2 viral ones + the idol trendsetter and the other one that they had to photoshop to bring her hate?

This discussion should have ended when you realize all the holes like Starship not doing mediaplay + not doing the same for their other groups also most importantly if theu really had money they would've done something like buy a spot on TTH. Or do you think companies can buy spots on global chart now? Especislly a medium sized one? Are they also buying IVE's charting in Japan too? Also, Kakao can manipulate Melon maybe. Can Kakao manipulate the other charts that were giving IVE PAKs too? Antis are blinded by logic.

IVE's popularity match in every metric.

Even in hate, it matches because the person that made that video is the same person that paid people to write hate comments about Wonyoung. If you side with them you can only be a pathetic ugly loser too.

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People saying Starship would never do sajaegi is literally ignoring reality, when Starship is proven to have rigged Izone in their favor. Did they do it for Ive too, aka their golden goose they tried to rig in Izone as a foundation for Ive now? It’s not a sure fire thing but not completely out of the realm of possibility like y’all trying to convince yourself either. In fact, the chances of Starship doing some kind of sajaegi for Ive aren’t insignificantly small at all

Coming from a produce enthusiast fan: Starship is proven to rig a produce group, which is X1 where they take ONE of their THREE trainees out of the final line up. If they didn’t rig it, all three trainees will debut under X1.

It’s not confirmed if they also rigged in Produce 101 for Yeonjung or 48 for Yujin and Wonyoung.

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as to izone, most companies involved including mnet were shady. once's are really going to believe their MAMA SOTY awards for signal and what is love didn't involve some kind of payoff between JYP and mnet?

sounds like here a lot of salty big 3 stan's angry that their ggs are no longer on top.

This is literally one of the dumbest arguments ever. How does JYP’s dealings with mnet have any relevance at all with the question if Starship did sajaegi for Ive or not? You want to call out big companies rigging, fine, but you look really desperate bringing up irrelevant points to divert the attention away from the actual discussion here about Ive. Embarrassing and pathetic

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People saying Starship would never do sajaegi is literally ignoring reality, when Starship is proven to have rigged Izone in their favor. Did they do it for Ive too, aka their golden goose they tried to rig in Izone as a foundation for Ive now? It’s not a sure fire thing but not completely out of the realm of possibility like y’all trying to convince yourself either. In fact, the chances of Starship doing some kind of sajaegi for Ive aren’t insignificantly small at all

Speaking of Produce, I think we should consider having Sacura in Class A, Somi in Class A first.

I hate this word but now that I think about it After like has been charting really well but I see no buzz around it like new jeans or even what next level had last year. With the uls they are pulling they should be everywhere in Korea and everyone and their moms should be talking about them like how it's with new jeans currently. Also doesn't their parent label own melon?

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I hate this word but now that I think about it After like has been charting really well but I see no buzz around it like new jeans or even what next level had last year. With the uls they are pulling they should be everywhere in Korea and everyone and their moms should be talking about them like how it's with new jeans currently. Also doesn't their parent label own melon?

IVE have the two biggest 4th gen it girls in Korea right now and a member that went viral. Isn't that proof enough?

IVE also literally got PAKs, so even if Kakao manipulated Melon they wouldn't be able to manipulate other kcharts they wouldn't be able to manipulate the global charts either, which IVE also managed to chart in both Japan and US.

Yall antis really make zero sense.

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I hate this word but now that I think about it After like has been charting really well but I see no buzz around it like new jeans or even what next level had last year. With the uls they are pulling they should be everywhere in Korea and everyone and their moms should be talking about them like how it's with new jeans currently. Also doesn't their parent label own melon?

Do you live in Korea?

is hybe hurt over ive might win roty and aoty? that's why they came up with this sajaegi vs?

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Do you live in Korea?

Pann and qoo is their source.

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I hate this word but now that I think about it After like has been charting really well but I see no buzz around it like new jeans or even what next level had last year. With the uls they are pulling they should be everywhere in Korea and everyone and their moms should be talking about them like how it's with new jeans currently. Also doesn't their parent label own melon?

IVE are everywhere in Korea tho, are you even korean?

Did starship brought melon and all the other korean charts, they also brought japanese charts, lets not forget about global charts, they even brought their charting in spotify USA, lets not forget album sales, oh and they paid the festivals to get them and they paid the companies to get the members as model and the variety shows to get them in, did i forget something they haven't paid or do they still have money left...loltheir charting in spotify USA, lets not forget album sales

big 4 fans never fail to amuse me, you should said you feel threatened and let it go

after like has like no hype but is doing better than the trot guy? SUS

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This is literally one of the dumbest arguments ever. How does JYP’s dealings with mnet have any relevance at all with the question if Starship did sajaegi for Ive or not? You want to call out big companies rigging, fine, but you look really desperate bringing up irrelevant points to divert the attention away from the actual discussion here about Ive. Embarrassing and pathetic

because literally the ONLY evidence anyone in this thread has on starship pulling sajaegi are the ancient sistar rumors (also made up by insecure big 3 gg stan's 10 years ago) and the produce 101 rigging (which was mainly mnet's fault). and you'd be delusional is you don't think mnet havent accepted bribes from jyp for twice's questional af SOTYs if they were willing to accept bribes for trainees. the double standards whew

so Starship buy all #1 on ichart??

Melon chart with uls so they need to buy 200k 300k 400k or more uls to get their paks.

and then they also need to buy it from Genie, Flo, Vibe, Youtube, and Bugs.

and what even the point to buy physical.

Nothing wrong with Sajaegi for a small company like Starship.. They need it as they need to make their groups popular. I support it

credibility =is becoming questionable after it got caught up with Dynamite record. After Like is in Rollin Level actually.

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because literally the ONLY evidence anyone in this thread has on starship pulling sajaegi are the ancient sistar rumors (also made up by insecure big 3 gg stan's 10 years ago) and the produce 101 rigging (which was mainly mnet's fault). and you'd be delusional is you don't think mnet havent accepted bribes from jyp for twice's questional af SOTYs if they were willing to accept bribes for trainees. the double standards whew

you just proved you understood absolutely nothing in my post. i did not mention anywhere that i support any company doing sajaegi, be it starship or jyp or any other, but you put words in my mouth and lying as if i think jyp is innocent in sajaegi and i’m like?? where is the relevance? literally your entire post did not address my point at all. you should stop replying to other people if you don’t have reading comprehension skills and don’t want to clown yourself with posting irrelevant nonsense lol

i support IVE's sajaegi because they are ssmaller company and need it more than big 3