Posts by CaraFIMIE

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Going on about how they're scared to perform on stage because Hanni spoke up about her own experiences is nothing but poor taste.

You're manipulating his words to suit your narrative.

He was referring (mostly) to the hate they received from being labelled as a NJs copycat. THAT is why they may have developed stage anxiety.

Kim Tae Ho added on, "I will tell you again. ILLIT never plagiarized Min Hee Jin's or NewJeans's concepts. We have the evidence to support these claims, but I can't just ask the public to read through all of the documents and see for themselves. Just as I said during the National Assembly audit, this is a matter for the court to decide."

Next, the BeLift Lab CEO talked about ILLIT's reactions to the plagiarism controversy. He mentioned, "Of course, the members suffered from it. But in the beginning, because they did not want to burden the company, they said that they were fine, then dealt with the stress all on their own. They were especially shocked by the 'Ignore it' controversy. The members know very well what happened during that incident. They said, 'Why do they have to go this far?'. They wanted to know what they did wrong. I think they were afraid to go on stage after that."

^^^^ That was part of an article posted by AKP regarding the CEO's statement. He neither mentioned nor referred anything about Hanni's statement and appearance at the National Assembly (I believe).

Quote from thebadguy

ah a fearnut 🤢🤮 now it all makes sense

What makes sense?

Your lack of a tangible argument other than saying that faves "suck"??

Don't tell me that wasn't the direction you were heading but you know darn well..

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Then, and I apparently can't repeat this enough: Be. Mad. At. Belift. For. Throwing. Them. Under. The. Bus.

Do you think they don't know Illit would be the main target? Of course they did, that's why they named them to shift attention away from the real issue

Agreed.

Quote from reverie1

So you expect her to just surrender to Hybe and let the media bury her and the Newjeans to the point of mental breakdown without fighting back? Seriously asking cause I don't understand your logic here.

Your point is, if a corporate with overwhelming power goes against you and artists under your care, they should just suck it up and let the big bad evil corp destroy them, or simply just obey to everything?

Did you read what I said?

What part of "she should've taken calculative steps before publicly retaliating" do you not understand?

How is she supposed to go against a rich corporation with a massive ammo of capital without being about to at least match them?

Lets be for real: she would've won against HYBE a long time ago. Why hasn't she? Because of a lot of things, mainly money. She may have a logical argument, but HYBE has the money to disrupt and corrupt the interpretation of that argument.

Quote from reverie1

So you expect her to just surrender to Hybe and let the media bury her and the Newjeans to the point of mental breakdown without fighting back? Seriously asking cause I don't understand your logic here.

Your point is, if a corporate with overwhelming power goes against you and artists under your care, they should just suck it up and let the big bad evil corp destroy them, or simply just obey to everything?

Did you read what I said?

What part of "she should've taken calculative steps before publicly retaliating" do you not understand?

How is she supposed to go against a rich corporation with a massive ammo of capital without being about to at least match them?

Lets be for real: she would've won against HYBE a long time ago. Why hasn't she? Because of a lot of things, mainly money. She may have a logical argument, but HYBE has the money to disrupt and corrupt the interpretation of that argument.

Quote from Yama-Chan

Well I at least now have confirmation that comprehension is a skill you've yet to master. I'll give you some time to re-read what I posted and make the correction.

The only thing you blindly ascertained was that I put myself on a pedestal, but that has zero correlation to the actual message you responded to.

The second-hand embarrassment of watching someone getting triggered by HYBE being called evil is immense.

I'm triggered because I disagree with your application of a conceptual word?

Gurll...tsk tsk tsk.

Quote from reverie1

Who publicly when againsted who first? Are you for real?

Yes I'm for real and don't misunderstand.

I know HYBE started the whole thing but with the financial trouble MHJ is in currently, she should've taken calculative steps before publicly retaliating.

Quote from monalisalove

What obsessed? I saw you yesterday where you quoted me first and you didn't have the courage to say who you stan in that thread and I see you here now defending Hybe. I'm sorry I laugh at dumb replies.

And whatever about the other topic, it's laughable how you felt called out yesterday, bye!

Pookie you're giving yourself wayyy too much credit.

Look at my name. You need not ask to know something that is right in front of you...or maybe you do since your vision is largely obscured by that inflated ego of yours. Pipe down and stop being obsessed.

Quote from Yama-Chan

Clearly you just lack comprehension. Your shortcomings in this conversation have been very easy to identify. Almost as easy to identify as HYBE's evil actions and behaviors.

You're also trying way too hard. It's sad to see someone actually getting into a back and forth with the biggest agent of chaos on this forum and expecting to take anything but a massive HYBE-sized L.

Putting yourself on a pedestal, I see.

If you are the "biggest agent of chaos" what makes you any different from HYBE?

Quote from monalisalove

I'm betting lsfrm bc yesterday in a Baemon thread I said good vocals are rare in kpop these days and they got super pissed off at me...

To be this obsessed with someone you don't know is not a good look.

And good vocals are in fact not rare in kpop. Some fans just assume that a group has poor vocals simply because they lipsync often or use backtrack.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Actually most of us did care about the manager.

It's ridiculous that Hanni has to be silent about how she's treated by staff because it might reflect on the idols they belong to. That's not on her and she took more care than necessary to absolve the group involved of guilt.

I'm not saying she should be silent. I admire her for doing something most idols who have spent longer in the industry are unable to do but toxic stans don't actually care about the manager.

They care about dragging down the group associated with that manager which is why ILLIT often gets brought up on that topic.

Quote from Prongs

Jessi caught drinking and laughing with the perpetrator. So, not the same analogy.

Not the same but similar.

She was caught drinking and laughing with the perpetrator but was she the one who actually carried out the assault? No but who was dragged through hell and back for it? Jessi.

Quote from thebadguy

Which group do you stan?

I'm a multistan..

LE SSERAFIM, SEVENTEEN, AESPA, MAMAMOO, NEWJEANS, XG, etc. The list goes on but that's all I going to bother myself with.

Quote from Yama-Chan

That just means you have a very basic perception of what constitutes as evil, completely devoid of depth or nuance.

And I'm way too lazy to educate you on that today.

Wrong, yet again.

You cannot "educate" others on a concept you yourself lack total understanding of.

I suggest you go educate yourself before you start claiming wisdom on a topic you know nothing about.

Maybe this can help: The Concept of Evil (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Quote from thebadguy

Im too lazy to be entertaining a hybe apologist. Go do your homework yourself

Okay then you have no real argument other than hearsay.

Until you provide explicit proof of your claims then I refuse to entertain a HYBE-hater (rightfully so).

I don't have a problem with you hating HYBE cuz I do too. But humans have made a habit out of throwing around labels and its truly concerning. Examples of this:

Non-bunny = "HYBE shill"

Bunny = "MHJ rider"

Constructive criticism = "hate" (and vice versa)

Stating opinions = "hate" (and vice versa)

These are all subjective but too often have I seen haters masking their malicious words as "constructive criticism" or merely stating an opinion.

I could go on but why bother.

Quote from Yama-Chan

If I decide you merit the minimal effort, I will. I'm still making that judgement. So far, I'm not convinced you are anything more than a pugnacious contrarian with a concerning devotion to defending the prestige of a corrupt conglomerate that deserves to get buried by the weight of their malicious behavior and hubris.

Even with that statement, you're still wrong.

I don't stan the company, I stan the artists (not BTS, fyi).

HYBE does deserve to get buried by the weight of their malicious acts but your notion that they are "evil" is what I am against. Evil is a whole 'nother level that HYBE--with their petty acts--would never dream of achieving.

Just another FYI: no single company in the k-pop industry is free of corruption. HYBE might be the most corrupt, yes but the river runs through it all.

Quote from thebadguy

as expected a bts fan downplaying hybe's evil acts and defending them, nobody's surprised

I'm not a BTS fan. Get it right.

You still haven't answered my question: what "evil" acts?

If you can't back up your claim with credible evidence (or any evidence at all), then you have no right to be making such claims in the first place.

Quote from Yama-Chan

You really don't know anything about the full timeline of events and what it is known HYBE have done even prior to the audit.

Yes, they are evil.

Since I "don't know" then enlighten me O' Great Wisdom-Bearer 🙇‍♂️

Make sure to include how those actions constitute evil.

I'll be waiting.

Quote from David33

I can't list everyone great vocalist, that wasn't the point.

I never forget my Empress, she's the reason I follow Kpop.

YESSS BoA is kpop royalty 👑

Quote from thebadguy

this situation does involves them. money brought by them is being used by hybe to finance their evil acts and their fandom are the biggest hybe cult on planet

Gurll...and NJs' activites as a group does not also bring HYBE profit???

Also what evil acts? HYBE's actions are petty, yes but saying its evil is an exaggeration.

You should NOT be calling their fandom a cult when MHJ-riders exist.