Yeah that one
That 3 step modulation high note is incredibly hard for her to sing
But overall Love wins all is more of challenging song vocally where she also struggles in
But anyways she is a very good vocalist
Just not on the level of best kpop vocalists
This is easily their best photoshoot ever for magazine
Like they look unreal 
Display MoreYes, you kind of can. Look at IU.
The real argument is the composers behind these groups have washed or fallen off, which is a more natural cycle.
In 2nd gen, you couldn't escape the Brave Brothers sound or S Tiger (R.I.P)
In 3rd gen, you had Teddy, you had JYP in his trendy era, you had B.E.P, you had Kim Do-hoon all cooking in the zeitgeist of the time
But all those people had their time, a 3-4 year stretch where their talents and sound matched the general interest. But the sound and trend moved on, and many of them failed or are failing to adapt.
So in turn, the groups that relied on these producers for their sound struggled. God knows Purki are super hit and miss, and they've got the same people behind Mamamoo's massive run behind them. Stayc are the same, and that's the same people who made Twice's string of hits.
But if a group can find the right sound and adapt and change to these sounds, there's absolutely no reason they can't still have hits. Look at Apink, came back in 2020 with B.E.P's last truly great song, and had a hit.
People always frame this as the group's themselves - sometimes groups at the height of their popularity can definitely lift songs that probably wouldn't be outright hits otherwise (Whiplash, Nxde, NJ's latest to some extent), but in a general sense unless they are actually (G)I-DLE, then it's just as much about who's making the songs as what's infront of them.
Even the the more minor groups - there was a 2 year stretch were Galaticka were cooking, but that brief moment is passed and I wouldn't trust Galaticka to have another hit for ages.
But unless they're willing to even adapt forcefully by searching out and finding more underground or hitherto untapped producers (like MHJ did with 250), they're forced to the IVE route of just importing songs wholesale and wacking a few korean lyrics on them. Which more and more tend to do, but it's not a formula for success, or more importantly it's not a formula for consistency. Which leads to the discussion above.
SM are a weird label, but I'll give them their due - they hold songwriting camps and switch producers a fair bit because they know that outright reliance on one producer proverbially means having a single point of failure.
People always having this discussion as 100% just the groups fault is kind of weird, not gonna lie.
IU is an entirely different case
She promoted herself only in Korea and only worked in Korea most of the time
And her last comeback flopped except Love Wins All
And Twice’s main market is Japan not Korea
Who said I’m blaming twice?
I said twice changed their sound and it’s not that twice produces their songs and concepts? It’s JYP
It is jyp who forced them to sing in cutesy nasal tone, it’s jyp who gives twice songs and it is jyp who promotes them in Korea
Imo twice’s sound became better after they dropped their super cutesy sound!
Set me free is one of their best songs easily
Soyeon also ran out of ideas cuz I didn’t like Idle’s work this year except Fate(good song but not mindblowing)
Klaxon is easily idle’s worst song
If you compare klaxon to Nude, Queencard, Tomboy, Hwaa, Oh My god or their other songs there is just a biiiig difference
Anyways Ive been saying that JYP sucks lately in terms of producing and giving songs for most of their groups except for their self producing groups
Display MoreThis is such a strange argument to me.
If you are talking about knetz posts, and social media posts etc - then yeah those people tend to move on after a few years.
But there's no issue with longevity impacting GP songs. If you make songs that are good and "in the trend" then the GP will listen to them. Regardless of whether you are a "GP" group or not.
Day6 are now hitting their stride 10 years in. Idle still getting PAKs and number 2s in their final year. Oh My Girl took 6 years but had a string of mega hits in Korea.
In fact I'd say the opposite - Blackpink are now in their 7-8th year and Rose just got a MegaHit. All the gen3 groups have had amazing longevity even in GP spaces, compared to this continual characterization that the GP moves on quickly.
Despite people saying in 2022 that "everyone will move on quickly" we are at the ass end of 2024 and it's basically NJ, AEPSA, IVE and I-DLE in Korea. And so far nothing of the new groups has suggested that'll change.
Everybody has limits!
And Twice’s run was their 9 Number 1 hits
You just can’t have countless hits
Same applies to any group, it’s just when it happens! Early in the carrier, late in the carrier or in the middle of it!
Also people should blame JYP for not promoting them in Korea!
I’m sure if Twice promotes their songs at festivals and music shows for 3-4 weeks they can get into top positions in charts
But twice is being promoted in the west instead
And all top groups in Korea promote their songs heavily in Korea! They go to universities, schools, music shows, radio stations and etc. etc.
And Koreans don’t like their mature sound it seems! Korea is always for cutesy stuff and twice stopped doing that!
But lately Twice’s songs haven’t been that good! Especially their latest comeback was generic and boring! If they will have good songs I’m sure they will chart but they are no longer digital powerhouse!
I don’t care if it’s LEs or regular ones I just want Nct Wish badges 
It’s a bop but not as good as To.X
Will listen to EP later
Mini bop
I won’t probably listen to it since it is a little generic song but I voted for bop because it is 50 times better than their debut song! We should forget their debut song!
This song is good but too boring to me
Cute little bop 🔥
Helppp
She is Under budgeted🤣
All I'm gathering is nobody has faith in their ability to get another big hit song, which is why most of the responses have been attacks against me, the messenger, or stat dumps completely unrelated to charting.
I forgot Megg was featured on their upcoming track. And I'm unsure if that helps or hurts the chances Korea loves the song.
Well I’m not attacking and I’m all here for civilized discussion
I heard the snippet and I didn’t like it!
I need to hear the whole song
Maybe Megan can help them to get international hit but I don’t think it will chart well in Korea
Or they need tons of promo in Korea for them to chart which I doubt
Their upcoming comeback probably not?
But if twice will take a 2-3 year hiatus then they can get a smash hit imo!
But twice will no longer be a digital powerhouse
Since all jyp ggs have been flopping in Korea(Nmixx is not flopping but isn’t doing better than many other ggs)
Twice makes too many comebacks and it is one of the reasons that they can’t chart in Korea
I plan on adding them to gen 
if we are talking LEs I will have to look again at where they are at, as last time we had them on the calendar for LEs.............. the next week they fell down charts 
torment away
