Posts by oldies

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Where is this coming from? Hybe?

    I think at this point, at least regarding the text, I stand on neutral point that it could be taken out of context and edited to create a false narrative as they have previously done.

    If they could come clean and share the whole text like MHJ then we can judge for ourselves.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Timiblaga

    The only thing that Hybe and MHJ have to understand is what the contract that they signed says, that is what is legally binding, it does no matter if Hybe get or not get what is multilabel, what it matters is how they want to work , call it A,B or C.

    Hybe not only provided the initial investment, Hybe created the company, they had 100% shares until BSH had the idea of giving 20% to MHJ, why people are not getting that MHJ was a simple employe in Hybe until BSH decided to grant her with the company and put her as CEO?

    Who keep paying the salaries, the dorm, the promo, the building etc? Hybe.

    Wrong. Read the financial statement of Ador and then we can talk again.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    lmao Just want to emphasize this fact here that was shared by another lovely user here in case some people did not read this:


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    “Duanmu, which holds 5.53% of Hybe’s shares, is not just a major shareholder but a joint holder with Netmarble, collectively holding around 44% with BSH. As joint holders, they have agreed to exercise their voting rights together, making it impossible to use Dunamu for a taker”

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Timiblaga

    They want their label, with their team, their CEO, their choreographer, etc.... but with Hybe money.

    It seems that they and you all dont get that Ador is not theirs or MHJ's label.

    This thing of being granted with a company without having to put any money or invest anything while others pay for the party and then trying to run away with said company has a name in my books.

    Yes, Hybe provided the initial investment. However, from my understanding, Ador is self sufficient now and even pays for services from Hybe like IT, HR, legal, etc.

    Someone can correct me but I believe Hybe has fully recouped the initial investment also. Since a subsidiary is supposed to be somewhat autonomous, in theory, "a subsidiary is an independent entity and, therefore, has its own assets, liabilities, bank accounts and maintains its own financial records. Likewise, a subsidiary is an independent entity for tax purposes."

    Nothing wrong with Ador having its own staff and also proves MHJ's point about Hybe not understanding subsidiary, multilabel.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from uwuwu-98

    Not sure if this was posted, I find the last point the most relevant


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    Thank you. Exactly what I was saying before. Hybe sucks arguing about usurping management rights that cannot be usurped without their own agreement as majority shareholder. lmao

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from K-PL

    Congratulations to Ive on finally being mentioned by MHJ


    Welcome Ive and Riize to the MHJ Sajaegi party

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    This is false. Her statement never specified either of the groups but an article I saw used the words "such as" and brought up specific group's name. You can find her statement online and verify for yourself.


    Another media play as far as I can see. And also the reason why I'm inclined to think Hybe's position is weaker than I expected given all their posturing. Going to wait to see who those two so called witnesses from Hybe are to understand context.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Hmmm... pretty sure the supposed financial investment firm already disclaimed their role in this from the quick glance I had through just the titles of the news headlines that this investment firm named does not deal with entertainment industry for their investments.


    Also, I am reading through some of the articles as I was getting home and from quick glance it said supposedly met with Duanmu and Naver officials. I wonder if this will blow up as spectacularly as the one about investment meeting with Saudi or whatever it was that Hybe claimed before. The fact is they keep on changing their story and I'm not sure that they have conclusive evidence to prove their claim. They will eventually have to produce evidence with names of the people who made those claims. Until I see named witnesses and cross examinations, I'm not really sold on this external investor angle since people seem to be forgetting that Hybe holds 80% of the stock and Hybe has to agree to an investment in the first place. That other analyst also said this during their meal and that that is why no one really took anything seriously.

    I will admit that even at a quick glance something about this specific claim by Hybe does not pass muster.


    As for that text, as people have noted it was not read during the hearing and the youtube guy claimed to be reproducing what he heard (will need to go and verify his exact wordings but that is the general impression I got). If this text were available by whatever means, other news articles for sure would have been pushed out. Seeing that it hasn't and he's the only one who seems to be the original source, I'm highly doubtful that it was obtained via information during the hearing. More than likely, this is a hand-fed media play like those previous text by Hybe. Hybe has previously manipulated her text by cropping and adding it to other conversations creating a false narrative. But once it was out there, people can now safely say supposedly/it is believed and whatnot to get around the defamation.


    MHJ's team said it is wasting their time to refute all the falsehood before the hearing. I wonder what their strategy is. But seriously, I finally read what team Hybe was claiming about MHJ's dead sibling and all. Crazy. Just crazy.


    lmao maybe there is something to what MHJ said about Hybe accusing her of these things because they do it themselves otherwise no one is crazy enough to make these accusations. Sorry but I'm with her on this since I saw what Hybe was trying to claim. lmao watched one too many horror movie or something.

    K shaman's nowadays do a lot of fortune telling like looking at compatibilities of couple, auspicious date for marriage/business opening, etc. They have good businesses out there. You can even find them online who do readings based on person's birth date, hours, and whatnot.

    I saw I fans of Hybe's reactions on x/twitter and I just had to laugh. Crazy. I truly do feel like kpop culture is not healthy.


    Well I'm off to do other things. Have a lovely day everyone.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    lol I probably will have a relaxing night out or something.

    But this whole Kpop copying even U.S. like media play and political tactics are just too sad.


    In any case, I do want to note one thing. Those screenshots produced by that online reporter is 100% edited. First to note is that there is no timestamp like those produced by MHJ previously during her press con. Second is that her pic used in that supposed screencap or whatever he has has the wrong pic of MHJ. Take a look at those she showed during press con and you'll see what pic uses. Also, sorry but text message overall looks contrived.


    I don't know how much is fake and completely made up and how much is cut and pasted to create a false narrative. This reporter looks very suspicious for sure. If we can believe guys like this then we should believe that JungKook dated that girl Lee YuBi (this is directly from that reporter) and that Hybe is not only connected to Dahn World but that their idols are being used for promote and lure in young people or whatever else is posted on his YT channel.


    And that one naver or whatever news reporter who claimed that Dahn World is not a cult is full of it. There are victims in both Korea and America who say otherwise. So take things with grain of salt, for both sides. There are more than enough people who have written about it from either their personal experiences or from their loved ones. The ones who were personally affected even wrote about the whole brainwashing process and the way they get you to get loans in your name and then use that on Dahn World as well having you "recruit" new people and all and their worship of their leader. It's pretty insidious and most definitely a cult. Go see CBS (in Korean but maybe it has eng sub now) report on it on YT.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    :sweat: Right? I noticed a lot of U.S. political maneuvers in this fight, especially from Hybe. Maybe influence from their U.S. execs like Scooter Braun.

    Lawfare play, drown out the other side with negative media play even if proven false later, and so much more. It's really ironic.

    I'm trying to catch up on the thread but I may give up if the page count keeps going like this.

    lol maybe I'll just go have a nice night out with acquaintances and check back later when the dust settles.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from paradis

    people are talking it though, multiple threads on fmkorea and now even one on qoo with more than 1200 comments and sports chosun has reported on it with an article.


    I am amazed how far you are going in defending MHJ over Newjeans that you are ready for no clarification from her about this...damn


    All she has to come out and say is that it is a lie, she has defended everything else said against her till now so why not this?

    There is a reason why she may not want to respond to this no namer. As soon as she does, the news articles can now quote her refusal and say allegedly MHJ wrote this....

    That is not a smart choice for her. If she stays mum and news starts publishing it then they are open to defamation. Seriously, I hate seeing how this has devolved into what it has become but I can understand her side of it.

    Interestingly enough, I really hate seeing what is happening because I see enough of this maneuvering in politics and to see it being replicated in kpop of all places really.


    On the other hand I see why Hybe/BSH freaked out over MHJ's internal whistleblower complaint. Because it could and probably should lead to an investigation (not just Hybe but industry) and can have serious legal implications since it deceives investors about future prospects and actual profitability of the company.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    I just came in to try to catch up but I can't but I do remember this guy from another thread I was reading as I was trying to learn about BTS. I believe this is the guy who followed the JungKook Lee Yubi dating rumor and said that it was credible and said that it was credible that they dated but that they may have broken up (may being the keyword there based on "inside sources". But now in light of this, I think the inside source was Hybe). And if the texts are provided by Hybe, how do we know if they were not taken out of context/cut and pasted as Hybe has done up to now?

    Trying to catch up during a short meeting break is no good. I need to go back now for next round of briefings. This is truly makjang k drama at this point.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Wow. I go to sleep and wake up and look at the explosion in page count.

    First, going really quicky because I need to eat and get ready for a meeting but something seems off about Hybe's claim about MHJ seeking investment from Naver and Dunamu.

    Dunamu holds stake in Hybe and its chairman is on the board of Hybe and Naver is in partnership with Hybe for WeVerse for 44.5% stake in it.


    Really, something about this does not seem right. Wish I had time to actually pay attention to this more but work first. I'll come back later when I get more free time or maybe just wait and see what else comes out.

    lmao this is better than k drama plots.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    I've come to realize after reading a bunch here that level of familiarity/knowledge (of) with corporate settings, financials, compensation negotiations, legality of things under discussion, and what constitutes intentional malice and other nuance is not really well understood overall or being deliberately ignored maybe.


    Also, people assuming that tomorrow/today's case proves Hybe's point are really missing the point, especially in the case where it's against the 80% majority owner and the reason why people are being so pessimistic about MHJ's case for being able to hold off that shareholder's meeting. K laws (going by memory) seems to favor the majority shareholder for things like that. Sigh. Never mind. I need to get ready for real life matters. I enjoyed reading various views and perspectives but really made me feel again the I kpop culture is an interesting one.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from K-PL

    Thats why I think MHJ is fked. Gov't surveillance of her KakaoTalk chats regarding tanking Hybe share price and foreign government investment red flagged her and they passed on the info to Hybe. How else do you think Hybe got the shaman and analyst KakaoTalk chats?

    CCTV maybe? Possible someone heard her talking and passed it along to management.

    And sheesh gov't surveillance .... lol I think we have more than enough conspiracy theories in this thread. Even I fell victim to it but I think this is very unlikely.

    More likely scenario that could happen in current circumstance is one where Hybe already has a judge lined up that will rule in their favor, which could explain their strange confidence from the start or maybe they felt overconfident because they were able to bully and coerce people up to that point.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from NekoMencer

    I think then her case is valid, i haven't seen the entire press conference. Either way, it still makes her in a grey spot in corporate pov for future, as they will choose someone who isn't like this. Like you too would be more careful about what you talk about and in what condition, like what if some of the presented chats are done when someone is completely drunk and just typing garbage (i think crush aspa looked like that moment to me).


    Either way thank you for this detailed information.


    lol no You remember she tried to keep it all confidential and internal until Hybe went public and started their wave of media play blackening her name and reputation?


    In any case, you do not understand how desirable her talent is and how much corporations are willing to accept people if it involves great talent. If what she said was true, like literally people were calling her even when the media blitz was in play. Same in any industry really.


    Also, I would say if I were a company in her line of business I would hire her 100% for branding/pr/and production talent. She's not an unknown and she has a proven record of successes to her name. (I would argue that if Hybe had treated her with honesty and fairly and acted according to their own internal governance a lot what has happened could have been avoided.)


    Also, when you listen to her and fully watch her press con she's actually very eloquent. She doesn't use business lingo but why does she need to? The purpose of that press con was to communicate, get her side of the story out, and move the public needle. Was she successful? 100%.

    Add to this the fact that Hybe was unfairly framing her using false and contrived evidence that we've seen so far, I would even go further and say that Hybe was acting in malice towards MHJ.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from sveznalica

    Oh :woow::watt:

    This too:

    Surprisingly, Analyst A even revealed that he had a meal with Ador's vice-president during a meeting with HYBE IR's Team Leader K and CEO Park Ji-won that took place in the afternoon after the meal. In this way, even in private dinners where there are no problems in terms of procedure or content, absurd things are committed every day that turn into extremely impure things after the fact just by adding the words 'usurpation of management rights' or 'audit'. Analyst A is also an innocent member of the public.



    lmao Hybe CEO and IR team leader were there too during the conversation and says it was an innocent meal and they are making out the conversation out to be more than it is by adding the words like usurpation of management rights or audit afterwards. Says that analyst is an innocent and that they want Hybe to stop the harassment :woow: