Posts by oldies

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Timiblaga

    Lets do as the hate campaign against other hybe groups , especially BTS , coming from bots in the most part, claiming sagaegi, dan world , fraudulent awards, etc did not appear just in coincidental time after qll this exploded and after allegedly, MHJ text messages that revealed that she wanted a media war...

    lmao

    1) The sajaegi claim is from a court ruling that is available to the public. It is not a rumor and it literally stated in the ruling what Koreans said it said. If you want to read it, go read it and then say it isn't true but the judgement should enlighten you. Claims of fraudulent awards is because some people claim that year they would not have won that K award without that sajaegi.


    2) Dahn World. Known entity that has many victims (both Koreans and Americans) who have given testimonies and interviews that this entity is a cult and Dahn World sued an entity in Korea already and there was ruling in 2019 or so where they lost that case for defamation for calling them a cult. There has been speculations over the years even among fans since they have reported DW using BTS images and name but nothing was done. There is a DW place in Korea where not only does the does the road leading to it called BTS road, once you are inside there is even a BTS spot where you can take a pic with BTS pic used on what looks like a large cutout plaque. Other ties to the cult with Hybe was shown and claims of some of the Hybe execs being Dahn World.

    Since this "rumor"/suspicion was around Korea for a while and netz have periodically come forth with supporting "evidences", is it really that surprising that it picked up again during this time where Hybe is under scrutiny? Who brought on this scrutiny? Hybe with their media play and making an internal investigation public when it barely got started. As a kpop fan, you probably know antis come crawling out of woodwork when there are intense media scrutiny like the current situation.


    3) Supposed MHJ's text came from Hybe who has consistently throughout this fiasco edited and taken things out of context. We've seen many times during since the start of the event that Hybe tried to fool the public. Even that wrecker account who created an entire production out of his imagination based on Hybe's summary of key points (e.g., Hybe claims MHJ finds it difficult working with NJs so that wrecker account imagines what could have been said and created those fake texts) in court when in fact Hybe was not even able to read out the edited text messages.

    So why should we believe things claimed by Hybe who has tendencies to start media play based on partial/manipulated texts and events?

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

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    I don't like this...girls retain your own lawyers

    Argh ... Is this Hybe's way of "promoting" and "supporting" NJs?

    Lmao The more I see them in action, the more I think this company is a joke. Their media play at another level.


    Edit ----

    Glad the parents have legal advice now.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    So quick update since I finally got some time to actually follow up on the court side of things and found some enlightening comments on social media from Koreans:

    1) Hybe tried to submit their evidence but was denied - not viable in court due to tampering and editing. Court agreed/acknowledged this.

    2) But Hybe summarized the points they wanted to make. (Note: Supposed text message was NOT allowed to be read out).

    3) LJH, YT wrecker, took that summary and turned it into his idea of what happened.

    (In another words, those texts and whatnot are based on his imaginations of what Hybe summarized. He made a mockups. Hybe got their money's worth out of that YT guy if Hybe was the one who hired him because I certainly did not understand this nuance until I read the explanation by some Koreans)

    4) MHJ was not at court during the injunction. MHJ statement about exposing personal info being invasion of privacy was said weeks ago during/about the audit. Meaning this is not the legal reason for rejecting the use of text messages that Hybe wanted to use. #1 was the reason.


    I hope people understand what this means. Everyone on here condemning MHJ and questioning why Korea is not on Hybe's side for this should understand K netz really do have huge advantage in terms of having a fuller grasp of the situation and maybe some people should stop denigrating them.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Yinye

    MHJ is also a millionaire with industry connections, who went straight to having a press conference and hired one of the best law firms for her case. Even if I dislike MHJ, I have to acknowledge her masterful PR and media expertise. What do you mean she barely got coverage?!? She had tons of media interviews right after the press conference and still does release her counters via the media.

    She got coverage. I never said she didn't. Those who were covering it that had her side was getting suppressed on Naver. Like you had to search for that specific key words to find that article while Hybe's version was on top even though the article that covered MHJ's side had higher engagement and more likes on the article. For every one article with MHJ's statement, you could find 10 more that only vaguely mentioned her statement/rebuttal and at times not the full rebuttal. Also, those that presented MHJ's side got buried awfully quickly on Naver with Hybe articles. It was crazy and I wouldn't have thought Hybe had that much influence when this all started.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Yinye

    I can’t believe ppl are still thinking that only HYBE or only MHJ have or doesn’t use ties to various media, bots, and playing the PR game. BOTH sides totally have lol.


    Public opinion is just a snap shot in time - the legal aspect of this case will have way more impact than public opinion.

    lmao who do you think has greater ties to media and has the money for more media play?

    I think you've seen for yourself how much press was pumping out whatever Hybe wanted versus MHJ which barely got any coverage. It was picked up by few place but no where near the amount that Hybe had.

    Also, you can clearly see who was only presenting only Hybe's side of the news once you start following their trails of articles they published. Hybe overwhelmingly had more than MHJ/Ador. Money and power talks and Hybe >>> Ador/MHJ in this respect. Just Hybe wasted a lot of their advantage and now it's exposing more their friendlies/suspected payrolled/biased to Hybe reporters on the media side.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from K-PL

    The +9% poll last week was not for knetz using social media. It was to just over 1000 random Koreans like a political poll, and other non-kpop issues were polled.


    You can go look at Korean social media today. It is pretty even today. 50% for mhj, 50% against.

    Not really. I just went through the forums and it's no where near 50/50. It's still MHJ by very wide margin. Surprising thing is I'm actually seeing more males moving over to the MHJ/NJs side. Now that was a surprise.


    FYI. There have been claims of paid Hybe people being active and trying to put out fire and influence things. Not sure how much of that is true but an awful lot of them sound alike, like bots lol. Writes the same variation of things so I'm inclined to believe mix of supporters, paid commenters, and fans.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from K-PL

    I thought everyone already knew weeks ago. It is so they don't have to pay her out 75 million.


    and her end game now is to leave with no non-compete and a big a payout as possible. It is not to take NJs with her, as it would take too long to get ROI if she has to buyout their contracts and IP. That is why she is throwing everyone, including NJs, under the bus.

    We suspected and what you guys are saying is yes this is the case. If that is the case, then we can also make a reasonable conjecture that he's making a desperate attempt to oust her no matter - even making up lies and harming his own label and idols under his company - to avoid paying out this amount. lol so we add the higher evaluation that is likely closer to its value, Hybe really underestimated this woman and just is greedy enough to deny what they promised her. Like they broke all the other promises they said before along with their "trust me".


    Also, pretty sure one of the reasons why Hybe wants Ador is because of the IP it holds. lmao MHJ did good with her graphic designs and merchandise design. Maybe Hybe wants to copy those without limit at their leisure.


    Although who the IP for Hype Boy and Attention could be up for debate and depends on how the contract was structured since Hype Boy and Attention were songs she said they had ready before formation of Ador.

    Well, in thinking about it, this scenario may not be that far off from reasonable conjecture with how Hybe has been acting. I would lmao if Hybe really did get an official audited for not only digital sajaegi but also for physical record sales manipulation which could really lead to some interesting scenarios.


    lmao yes, I agree with you. BSH not wanting to payout what he promised is looking more convincing

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    :thumbup:

    lmao do Hybe fans realize they just provided a reason why BSH/Hybe is trying so hard to oust MHJ and try to make a reason for dismissing her? :sweat: Like whatever reason they attributed to MHJ for this case can actually be attributed to BSH. Just from the payer perspective.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Wateris

    It doesn't sound like it was about Bang PD, also they omitted Ador VP messages back to her too, when they reveal all, we will get a full picture.


    Curious if any of the NJ members were put under spotlight, getting dragged calling them to lose weight by Knetz. It seems MHJ was talking about a person, it's obvious they omitted the name for the public, I wouldn't want to know either except the court.

    Some others who have followed NJs will likely know better than me but not that I know of. I've also been doing looking into NJs but I have not come across anything like that in my foray into getting to know NJs.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from nochutae

    Denied for this case but not that the screenshots are fake, if its false why did MHJ side say exposing those texts is an "invasion of privacity" instead of straight up denying it?? :pepe-notes:

    How many times since this fiasco has Hybe provided contrived edited text messages that were later debunked by MHJ's lawyer? How long do you think it takes to put those together? It takes manpower. Quicker to get it taken care of this way and not waste time on playing Hybe's game.


    Also, that is a known wrecker account that has been sued previously for using false "evidence" and known to put out hit pieces. He's a gun for hire and he has no reputation to speak of. I thought BTS fans would know this better than anyone.


    Going by what I'm seeing from some of the netz "이진호를 누가믿냐ㅋㅋㅋ그리고 민희진측 부대표가 거부한거랑 판사도 너무 편집된 증거는채택 안된대서 빠꾸된거지ㅋㅋㅋ". "또한 저 카톡 공개 당시 민희진이 웃기지도 않는다며 반박함"


    Her previous rebuttal also included a statement something to the effect that it's becoming not worth rebutting all the ridiculous things Hybe puts out. It's pretty clear what she thinks of Hybe's "evidence".


    Also, when so many people who are foregoing their anonymity to stand up for her even at the expense of giving up their chances of working with Hybe and vouch for her character vs Hybe's continued anonymous, believed to have, claimed to be, etc., and edited texts that they keep on trying to media play with, well let's say I can see why her team would choose to focus on their case vs this media play.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from oneinamiyeon

    So Hybe caught being disingenuous again.


    I have watched in amazement at how effective this "management usurpation" mediaplay has been for Hybe. Especially when MHJ's lawyers from day one have dumbed it down for those with minimal financial literacy by pointing out the simple fact that Hybe owns 80%, so however way you cut it, even if ADOR really wanted to acquire more shares, best it can do is present a legitimate offer to Hybe who has to be willing to sell. Even those siding with Hybe shouldn't assume Hybe would be stupid enough to leave themselves open like that in the first place.


    Then again, judging by some comments in this thread, it almost seems like the case will not hinge on legalities, but rather on whether MHJ really called a NewJeans member fat (it's crazy to think those could be accusations that Hybe made in court). I wonder how they'd react if it turned out she was actually referring to BSH. :skull:

    Yup. I think multiple people on here have said this before but it kept on getting ignored. Like for real, how many times do those lawyers and financial analyst and others have to say it? You can't wrestle control when it's a situation where you need Hybe's permission to do it. And if Hybe gives you permission, all legal and above board. I felt like we were tiptoeing an issue that if we looked at it is kind of obvious. Like it's a no brainer and probably why we are seeing this desperate wave of media play trying to inundate the public with media play about other matters. But that move by Hybe's lawyers about MHJ's dead sister was low blow. So undeserving of the #1 firm in the country. Yes, that firm is known to have superb connections and at some point that will play into this but omg I can't really believe they were that desperate to use that card.


    edit --

    About that fat comment, would make a lot more sense if it was referring to him

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Vague001

    Also the fact that this highlights that choreography CAN'T be copyrighted at the moment actually reduces the validity of the claims in court.

    I beg to differ. Choreography can be copyrighted. I swear I quoted this multiple times but here goes again:


    The United States Copyright Office defines a “fixation” in choreography or pantomime as something that allows movement to be performed in a “consistent and uniform manner.” Choreographers can fix their work through dance notation, video recording or textual descriptions or photographs. But to solely teach the choreography isn’t enough. It needs to be on paper or video, or documented somehow so it can be shared.


    It seems simple, but there are exceptions. Common movements or activities, like yoga positions, line dances and exercise routines, are not copyrightable, even when they are unique. This even applies to the positions of ballet, like a tendu or an attitude.


    Think of Balanchine’s work, for instance. While deep pliés and a specific articulation of the hands may be a recognizable hallmark of his style, the movements themselves are uncopyrightable. However, those elements did serve as building blocks for Balanchine’s ballets, which were fixed and copyrighted. Today, The George Balanchine Trust owns his ballets and licenses them for use.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Reading headline only but I'm under the impression that the texts were rejected by the court as evidence. The judge is giving both sides extra time to respond and put additional material forward.

    Right now, with the way information was leaked, and the way that youtube guy put a disclaimer out there that he is recreating things as he remembers hearing during the trial. That's a good disclaimer there and gives him some leeway from getting sued for defamation.


    Also to be frank, MHJ's lawyer already has evidence of previous acts of malicious text editing as she has shown in two previous times or maybe more (can't recall now). Not sure what she and her lawyers plan to do but right now Hybe has given her team ammunitions. I think both sides have something that they can use for the time when negotiations come around.

    As a side note, her team of lawyers previously said her side did not want to waste time rebutting all the ridiculous things Hybe puts out after their last rebuttal. This was just before the court case. So I'm reading this as it takes lot of time to prepare for these responses and they need to focus on the trial.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Donut0808

    Sorry to say this but NJ and their parents are really dislikeable in this case. Their complaints about Illit, how their biggest boss didn't say hi to their kids, how they can't survive without Min Hee Jin etc... And again it's amazed me how dumb Knetz is. Waiting for the day the court put their god mother in jail and they can leave with her after paying the penalty.

    Sigh... what makes you think you understand what is happening better than people in Korea who are not reliant on translations to understand the situation? Please do not denigrate them like that.


    And for real, you think a boss who deliberately ignore the NJs kids is not setting them up for a hostile work environment? As for Illit, most Kpop companies do not debut girl groups so close to each other. There are more issues at hand but I'll leave it at that.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 3 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from sassily

    you can literally google it yourself lol

    there's a few different translations but they all make it clear that the "hiatus/vacation" and "1.5 years to find a producer" statements are separate.

    No, it was in the same statement that they were talking about the "vacation".

    [


    A씨는 “박지원 대표님이 나중에 오셔서 저희들에게 ‘민 대표님이 6월 뉴진스 도쿄돔 자료를 하나도 공유를 안 했지만 자신들도 프로들이 많아서 잘 진행할 수 있을 것’이라고 했다”고 말했다. 이어 “그러면서 도쿄돔 끝나면 (뉴진스에게)긴 휴가를 줄 계획이라고 하더라”고 덧붙였다.


    A씨는 “얼마나 긴 휴가인지는 물어보지 못했는데, 그 자리에서 박 대표님이 ‘그레미(상 받은) 프로듀서를 섭외하는데 1년 반 정도 걸리는데 최대한 빨리 붙이려고 한다’고 말했다”면서 “그래서 나오면서 엄마들끼리 ‘그레미 프로듀서가 1년 6개월 걸리는데 그걸 최대한 빨리 붙인다고 했으니 긴 휴가가 그 정도라는 소리인가’란 이야기를 했다. 다음에 만나면 이걸 물어봐야지라고 했다”고 털어놨다.




    A씨는 “박지원 대표님이 나중에 오셔서 저희들에게 ‘민 대표님이 6월 뉴진스 도쿄돔 자료를 하나도 공유를 안 했지만 자신들도 프로들이 많아서 잘 진행할 수 있을 것’이라고 했다”고 말했다. 이어 “그러면서 도쿄돔 끝나면 (뉴진스에게)긴 휴가를 줄 계획이라고 하더라”고 덧붙였다.



    A씨는 “얼마나 긴 휴가인지는 물어보지 못했는데, 그 자리에서 박 대표님이 ‘그레미(상 받은) 프로듀서를 섭외하는데 1년 반 정도 걸리는데 최대한 빨리 붙이려고 한다’고 말했다”면서 “그래서 나오면서 엄마들끼리 ‘그레미 프로듀서가 1년 6개월 걸리는데 그걸 최대한 빨리 붙인다고 했으니 긴 휴가가 그 정도라는 소리인가’란 이야기를 했다. 다음에 만나면 이걸 물어봐야지라고 했다”고 털어놨다.



    A씨는 “우리는 하이브에 ‘민희진 대표님과 함께 하는 뉴진스를 원한다’고 분명히 말씀드렸다”며 “다섯 멤버 엄마들이 모두 합의한 공통적인 생각”이라고 강조했다.



    “사실 걱정이 많죠. 민희진 대표님이 없으면 하이브에서 아이들을 오래 방치하지 않을까란 걱정도 들어요. 이번 일이 일어나기 전에 민 대표님에게 내년에는 뉴진스 월드투어 계획도 있다는 이야기를 들었어요. 그런데 긴 휴가를 갖게 된다니….”

  • South Korea discussing law on Choreography Copyright issues

    I imagine they may model it after U.S. law:


    Michael Chiappetta, attorney and senior editor in the Intellectual Property & Technology Group at Thomson Reuters Practical Law, explains that you can copyright a dance as long as it's "an original work consisting of the composition and arrangement of a related series of dance movements and patterns organized into a coherent whole."


    The United States Copyright Office defines a “fixation” in choreography or pantomime as something that allows movement to be performed in a “consistent and uniform manner.” Choreographers can fix their work through dance notation, video recording or textual descriptions or photographs. But to solely teach the choreography isn’t enough. It needs to be on paper or video, or documented somehow so it can be shared.


    It seems simple, but there are exceptions. Common movements or activities, like yoga positions, line dances and exercise routines, are not copyrightable, even when they are unique. This even applies to the positions of ballet, like a tendu or an attitude.


    Think of Balanchine’s work, for instance. While deep pliés and a specific articulation of the hands may be a recognizable hallmark of his style, the movements themselves are uncopyrightable. However, those elements did serve as building blocks for Balanchine’s ballets, which were fixed and copyrighted. Today, The George Balanchine Trust owns his ballets and licenses them for use.