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Workers are not slaves, audit and surveillance are different

HYBE disclosed Min Hee-jin's KakaoTalk chat logs, temporary illegal possession of forensic data without consent, and without the consent of trainer Kang Hyeong-wook to view employee messenger messages , there is a possibility of CCTV surveillance in violation of the Information and Communications Network Act and workplace harassment.

There are two issues that have heated up Korean society recently. The conflict between HYBE Entertainment and Ador CEO Min Hee-jin, and the controversy over Bodeum Company CEO Kang Hyeong-wook's verbal abuse and surveillance of employees. There is something in common in labor relations law between the two seemingly unrelated issues. The question is to what extent is the company's supervision of its executives and employees legal and justifiable?

First, the case of Representative Min. The incident came to light last month when HYBE released KakaoTalk conversation logs between CEO Min and Vice President Ador, claiming it was an attempt to seize management rights. And until recently, HYBE has continued to claim that CEO Min is not qualified to be an Ador manager by disclosing other conversations between CEO Min and Vice President, and even the KakaoTalk conversation transcripts of CEO Min and an acquaintance, to the media.

The problem lies in how HYBE obtained the transcripts. The KakaoTalk conversation released by HYBE is not a direct conversation between HYBE and CEO Min. This is material that HYBE looked into as a third party, in which it did not participate as a party to the conversation. In addition, it includes content prior to the establishment of Ador, and the conversation partner was not limited to Ador's vice-president, so it appears that a wide range of data was obtained, including CEO Min's personal conversations beyond business communication.

Ador claimed that the conversation logs obtained by HYBE were data that were not submitted with CEO Min's consent, and that they were evidence obtained illegally through forensics on devices returned during the audit. If the circumstances of HYBE's acquisition are like this, there is a possibility that the evidentiary capacity and legitimacy of the conversation logs may be damaged due to violations of the Information and Communications Network Act, etc.

Representative Min also revealed his KakaoTalk conversation with HYBE Chairman Bang Si-hyuk and HYBE CEO Park Ji-won at a press conference, but there is a big difference. All of the conversation records released by Representative Min are conversations she had directly with the other party. Therefore, there will be no need to consider the legality of the acquisition of the conversation transcripts disclosed by Representative Min.

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The difference between workers and slaves is that executives and employees and the company have a relationship based on a legally equal contract. HYBE and Bodeum Company may also have attempted to supervise their executives and employees according to their own purposes and needs, but audits are permitted only to the extent possible under contracts and laws. There are also views that regard a company's right to audit as if it were the right to investigate. However, the right of a company to investigate or monitor beyond audit is nowhere written down.

/Labor Attorney Eunsoo Yoo

http://www.kyeongin.com/main/view.php?key=20240529010002929

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i think mhj has a lot of ground to sue hybe on this, regardless of whether the kakao talks proved her breach of trust or conspiring to damage hybe. i think hybe knows that and is willing to risk it just to get her fired.

Quote from aclassyteaparty

what has bsh himself actually done in all this tho?

1. ignored newjeans on a few occasions
2. wanted mhj to debut sakura and chaewon, which she refused to do, so he debuted sakura and chaewon in a separate group that happened to debut first?
3. asked mhj in a private convo if mhj could "crush aespa"
4. made shady private comments to mhj showing he was salty about nwjns' success?

like, no one is saying this man isn't a raging asshole. the issue is the contextualisation of all of this as "newjeans' mistreatment", which is literally what mhj is trying to do. i also have trouble agreeing that any of these instances are valid reasons for mhj to illegally try to get ador out from under hybe after reaping tons of financial benefits, or to start a media war with the company using their groups as fodder.

but i have to agree with mhj on something, as the chairman of a multilabel you can't go around gracing specific non-bts artists with your attention, no matter how the multilabel structure pushes back or tries to mitigate it. i know he's a producer and he resigned from ceo because he wanted to focus more on music but dude, you are the father of a lot of ego-driven, attention seeking children. you have to be there as totally unbiased and fair support system in order for it to work.

Quote from ellenote

Everything done in the dark shall come out in the light.

Eventually Hybe would have had these problems, MHJ was just the first to do it.

what it's clear to me is that she has issues with the whole industry, not just hybe, hence her wish to truly be free with her own agency. and i cant fault her for wanting that, she's definitely knows kpop very well and has a clear vision.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

See, why does it have to be one or the other? MHJ trolls or hybe shooters?

You're ALL annoying

that i agree with, this has been a mess to figure out from the beginning. i'm more on hybe's side since the whistleblower e-mail came out and i could read mhj's own words. the leaked kakao texts are also not good. but in the end this just shows how hybe needs to clean house. it should've never reached this point.

but i think mhj shooters are winning the attendance record on this thread.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Then they're quite overrepresented in this thread

who?

the mhj trolls on the other hand have barely slept since april.

Quote from ellenote

Nobody should be shocked at Hybe being shady, Most Army (not all) need to stop living in delusion for Hybe, Hybe nor MHJ are good people, there is no hero in this story. Everybody has done something evil, with BTS, New Jeans, pretty much every group. I don't think MHJ has stolen things flat out, but she relies on media for inspiration, and sometimes, she takes too much or just enough from said media to keep people guessing. It isn't wrong, every artist takes from other media, another artist, and other artwork. You don't think RM has things that have inspired his writing or album? the difference is in the early days Bighit would just flat out steal things from other artist and then just lie to Army about what really happened.

Bighit are liars, big shock, which company doesn't lie to their artist's fanbase. Nothing is ever authentic.

what brought this on?

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

They don't like him

But they'll sure defend everything he does

sure, saying that is no big deal to not greet someone in an elevator is ridiculous. but what other stuff have most armys defended him? no one liked dynamic pricing or the nft business. no one likes the fact that he's buddies with scooter. sure, you'll always find someone defending him but i believe they're far from the majority.

Quote from Flowercrew

Imagine if BSH did what MHJ did to NJS?

Hell will break loose! BSH better hide.

any whiff of any of that will even have the ones that tolerate him falling in line with scooter boycotters.

Quote from Vivi1388

there are 2 journalists

one from Ilgan Sports who wrote article about hybe mediaplay, and did interviews with mhj, ador stylist, parents (he's likely that journalist who was mentioned in kkts. Bcs he posted article about mediaplay after new kkt leaks. People started mentioning him

2nd probably just trash journalist, who post trash about every group

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i think he's just someone who feeds on anything that's controversial. regardless of celebs being in danger of commiting suicide or something

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

This

this is so far from the truth. a lot of armys do not like bsh

edit: at most they tolerate him.

Quote from aclassyteaparty

min heejin could kill someone and her shooters would still say its hybe mediaplay. it goes both ways. but the difference is most armys do not like or care for bsh. you and a few users repeating a narrative a million times doesn't make it true.

they think if they say it enough times it will suddenly become reality. sure, it's very messy but right now hybe has more receipts over mhj takeover plan than she has of hybe "mistreating" newjeans. not greeting someone, sure, pretty bad. lsfm getting an lvmh deal? lsfm debuting first? she got lucky illit debuted with 5 girls with long black hair. that vp went to ador and immediately strated plotting and ppl think this hasn't been going on for a while?

Quote from aclassyteaparty

min heejin could kill someone and her shooters would still say its hybe mediaplay. it goes both ways. but the difference is most armys do not like or care for bsh. you and a few users repeating a narrative a million times doesn't make it true.

bsh could burn for all i care, the only thing that upsets me is how bts has been dragged into this and how everyone is very fatphobic with the man, his personality should be enough as an insult.

Quote from Dreamer95

There is another article on pan natic, van't post cause I am on the phone.

is your source the pan natic link from the qoo who's source is the Ilgan Sports article? the link below goes to the mhj lackey "exposé" on how bad hybe is with their mediaplay/pr strategy. did i misread or did he say anything of the sort about hybe trying to "steal" the apple sponsorship for another group? are these desperate tokkies or mhj sycophants interpreting the KK message betweeen hybe ceo and mhj that was shown during the press conference. and if mhj is writing paragrphs over lsfm getting an lvhm deal you think she wouldn't have mentioned this?? mhj probably got upset hybe was too samsung friendly and didnt want any of their artists collaborating with apple.

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Quote from TheBotter

You are preaching to the choir. I've been speaking on the phoney and inflated sales of albums for a year or two now.

I said it before and I'll say it now. Album sales were falsely pumped up(not just the fansogns, bulkbuy, PCs, etc) but actually fraudulently boosted and inflated by companies faking sales to keep the industry from crashing during COVID when an arm of earning, tours, was severed.

But I'm also not going to pretend obvious chart manipulation has been present for a lot of groups and companies in and out of Korea. Outside it's at least not illegal, just using Spotify plr, discovery, autoplay, etc...but in Korea they are using illegal methods.

Groups like TWS, Nmixx, Newjeans, and countless more have all benefitted from music consumption fraud in some way.

HYBE and MHJ are just airing the industries dirty laundry on front of the world and neither are coming out looking good and honestly and industry wide clean up starts with excising both os these necrotic entities.

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i dont think so, you had a lot of fans coming in who were bored at home and less ways to waste their money. chinese market was also stronger. everyone got bigger sales and companies wouldn't have been able to all do the same thing. it was the peak of kpop album consumption.

Nmixx has not beneffited from music consumption fraud in korea streaming platforms.

newjeans has had autoplay since day one so ador is definitely aware of that "promotion" strategy, hybe won't call her out on this hypocrisy because they can't air out that specific dirty laundry.

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ilgan news basically confirmed that all the newjeans hate articles were being spread was done by hybe's pr department. They also confirmed the hybe is behind all the rumours being spread to defame mhj, she gonna have nice time suing them for defamation.

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i read the article and the reporter said none of that. at most he blamed hybe of releasing the stuff about the shaman after saying to the parents that they shouldn't reveal it to the newjeans members.

why are there so many pro-mhj trolls

Quote from Sorrybae39

MHJ getting management advice from her dead sister is next level.

no kpop stan will convince me this is normal.

edit: granted creatives are not usually normal people

Quote from tetetete

Pretty sure those are just entitled k-armys with the way they were talking about BTS lol

yes, those dont need any help lmao

Quote from Dreamer95

The group they wanted to give Apple event is probably Le Sserafim as Illit wasn't even formed at the time, right thebadguy ?

what's your source for this? this is the only time in the article i see apple mentioned:Daily Sports reported on the essence of the issue among the many stories it had in interviews with HYBE executives and NewJeans mothers. For example, the Apple-related part was checked, but it was not reported because it was judged to be far from the essence of the issue. HYBE should have made such a claim at least to find out what efforts Daily Sports had made to report the incident and to what extent it had figured it out. Even the date of the interview, which states when the interview took place, is incorrect.

is this a mistranslation? where are they talking about another artist?

Quote from Dreamer95

Hybe shooters attacking the journalist now

Everyone who doesn't side with Hybe is apparently bought by MHJ.

I swear I really wish they were right and MHJ is that powerful. I'd gladly accept that.

yes, i'm sure you are pro-mhj lackeys. only hybe does mediaplay

Quote from Dreamer95

I will respond to this with the shame shit argument you have been using to attack MHJ all the time, ready?

"If this isn't true why doesn't Hybe deny it?"

deny what? that they're being as messy with mediaplay as mhj is? attacking her? her own words have been enough for me to make up my mind who's the most dishonest of the two. you don't use a brand contract other sublabel group got if you're not grasping at tiny straws.

Quote from TheBotter

Minn Heejin is dirty.

Bang Si Hyuk is dirty.

Both have groups currently being exposed for obvious chart manipulation. Honestly would like to see the industry free itself from both her and HYBE.

Both are trash for Kpop.

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kpop is trash for kpop. the so called album push mhj accused hybe of doing is what the rest do as well. sales eaten up by fansigns, fancalls. i bet aespa has numerous fansings/fancalls already set up for this full album.

there has also been some late week album sales surges from for example nct, that left me wondering...it seems likes it's a general industry practice. this and randomized items should be banned by the government.