Posts by bulgogi123

    Defiantly impressive although to me it isn't really surprising when Bts(hybe) fandom is just so many times bigger than other Kr companies in west (Bar blackpink?) I believe TXT had tons of preorder before any release, nmixx had alot of preorders based off being the next Twice group from JYP, Sm with Aespa and am sure YG GG new group will get tons of preorders regardless of music release. Company stans is more a thing than ever, not sure people are arguing about it, plus it reflects in debut sales/hype with no promo or alot of promo like newjeans. Does anyone really think any 4th gen group DEBUT not from big 4 ever get as much hype? Because being from top 4 defiantly helps ALOT.


    Friendly easy listening debut music with western mv themes + Hybe stans I think it's easy for people to buy in.

    what confuses me most is how ningning always has the lowest fancam views as she easily has the best stage presence in aespa. I find her fancams really fun to watch as you can see her giving 100%.

    I actually disagree, not that ningning was worse or anything. But karina and winter(Yes I wish people actually watched winter this comeback shes slaying the concept while sick for 3/4 of it) did extremely well with this comeback. Real shame to me is how Sm promo cycle works with Aespa only appearing on 4 shows? Girls/Illusion were their best stages to me easily since black mamba especially with crowds cheering the energy was different.

    Just following this comeback, the amount of "antis" who have a problem with Aespa C-bar sales discrediting chinese fans, meanwhile praising their own c-bar sales prior to Aespa release when it matters to them are some of the things that was most apparent this comeback for Aespa.


    Far as am aware a lot of the big groups get massive support from c-bars , they follow the artists everywhere to support whether that's concerts, personal billboard ads, fansigns and they buy a lot. The fact they go out of their own way when their government is actively trying to stop Kpop popularity in China should be praised. Suddenly "bulk buying" or Chinese sales is a problem when it's Aespa, but I didn't see the same energy or negativity around BG's who sale even more albums like hot cakes for few years now or certain big groups.


    For me I don't have a problem with SEA streams, end of the day fans are fans, Country they come from shouldn't be a negative or looked down upon and what they bring aka streams or sales. But it's defiantly obvious fans from certain regions are suddenly looked negatively on or "fake" soon as it doesn't fit peoples negative agenda/narrative when it comes to groups they don't like. That or it's just straight xenophobia.

    Aespa has a ton of antis even prior to Debut. I don't think this is anything new, or that will go away sadly. Just a quick look on any social media with Aespa comeback and there will always be something these anti's will post about+ plus justifying their reason to hate on the girls. I recall a 60k like tweet with bunch of people flaming Aespa recently.... Don't even bother going on TIKTOK for anything Aespa related since it's just full of hate.

    so what are you trying to say aespa is the leader of 4th gen? Cuz hun it’s too early to tell when there’s ive

    When did I say I don't like IVE or that "top" has to be exclusive or that AESPA is the leaders? Am replying to OP discrediting Aespa achievements or that they aren't one of the clear top groups for this gen currently..... Like Blackpink/Twice was for the start of their gen....

    aespas charting isnt as bad as you guys are making it out to be for girls

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    I know, Aespa has 5 songs in top 100 in melon. A lot of groups don't even chart in top 100.... Apparently because it didn't hit number 1 on the chart which are generally public friendly songs, anti's are quick to be toxic...

    Aespa would of won tons of music shows if Next level wasn't directly in release competition with Butter BTS/IU which is literally kpop biggest fandoms in Korea. Fact that Next level did so well vs literally the toughest competition in Korea digitally isn't something that other gen groups faced. Exo had a massive fandom but it doesn't really compare to modern Bts/IU is a wall digitally in Korea. Plus it was a digital release with no album so Next level didn't get a physical score which made it impossible for Aespa to win anything while being one of the biggest songs in Korea in 2021. In general Music show wins is always hit/miss as it depends on other releases at the time, how many music shows the company sends the group to do in their promo period etc.


    Aespa selling 2 mil albums total in their second year isn't something average or expected, or winning so many awards in their first year. Their recent release is literally in top 20 Melon,5 charting songs in top 100? It isn't like Aespa is doing bad. It's literally only Ive/Gidle/LE SSERAFIM and Aespa for 4th gen in there right now. People just don't like the group I presume or it's popular to discredit Aespa like OP, to blush off these achievements as average or nothing special is delusion. I never/don't expect Aespa streams to be insane internationally with SM current music direction with them, but it isn't bad like a lot of antis claim it to be.


    Just like Blackpink/Twice early years, It would be Aespa and IVE now as top groups for 4th gen. The market is way more saturated than ever so I think less and less will there be such a monopoly or majority like previous gen. Which isn't at all a bad thing like 3rd gen stans would brag about. Different era's and Koreans are all about whats trendy, Kpop has taken a back burner to the public for a while now.


    In Korea kpop from Boygroups just isn't there for 4th gen, though internationally I think Stray kids are doing good digitally and bunch of Boygroups are selling albums like hot cakes. So for me it be harder to say who are the Top 4th gen boygroups.

    Already see all the Aespa antis come out from nowhere dragging them on here and other social media platforms.


    Seeing the girls get dragged for Sm just throwing them out there with zero prep and zero care. People don't sing live on the floats, let alone try doing massive dances. The girls were obviously not prepared, extremely uncomfortable given their clothes in what would be freezing at the moment in NYC (their clothes hello?) and were told to perform Savage. Couldn't dance comfortably on what is a moving float in very tight conditions and the expectations is for them to perform like it's nothing? Totally disregarding the conditions they are in.


    People using this as a drag like "Aespa needs to work on stage presence or they need to do better" are honestly pathetic, They just performed infront of a live crowd last week Sk with absolutely zero issues. Sure just turn a blind eye to sm setting the girls up and blame them. Now am seeing people drag for song choice which again Aespa has absolutely zero control over. This whole situation is just sad. From Sm doing this to Aespa, Camera works and now all the antis using this as fuel for their hate.

    This is a rant but I think Sm really dropped the ball with promoting Aespa internationally and still are. I understand debut years are the most chaotic for debuts but it's also the most important in my opinion to growing a fan base.


    With the girls not allowed to use vlive (Since hybe acquired the platform), zero variety show type content on their YouTube like Sm does for Nct and they didn't come from a survival show format which seems to be really popular internationally. The girls only possible form of interaction to grow is Bubble which they use alot, But I feel like the platform is for more existing fans than creating new ones and targets Korean fans only. The girls seems like they really want to interact more but Sm gives them no alternatives to Vlive. They only did stream for huya (chinese platform) But then nothing for growing int Fandom. Am honestly happy that there is a international fanbase for Aespa even with how horribly sm promotes them.


    Sm gives bare minimum promotion cycle and content I feel like general international market hasn't really been exposed to the members. Heres a take but creating a youtube series or letting them stream on vlive honestly would attract more potential fans than putting them on Kelly show or Macy. I don't think the girls are lacking in entertainment or personality(has 1 fluent English member and all can speak at decent level), there's just no content for them to potentially go viral from fan clips on youtube etc with English fans. Winter alone just from Knowing Brother gotten over 25mil views in total from all the clips which was some weeks ago. But the fan clips are all in Korean and there just isn't anywhere near the same amount of content for potential international fans.


    TLDR Sm seriously needs to do better, it's like following a group who been out for years rather than literally rookies with how sm promotes them.

    Since OP like numbers I took quick look on youtube- Use winter hangul name and search by views on their knowing brother.

    1.random clip with 6.4m views-All Korean comments

    2. 20 sec clip of winter explaining her upbringing being from a military household 2.5m views

    3.showing off her odd talents 2.1m views

    4.group highlights 2mil views and trended number one on KR youtube

    5.Winter singing which alot of Koreans are praising as the best idol singer since Iu/Taeyeon

    6.hell check for urself search her hangul name on youtube shes literally viral in Kr I link it for you


    Note this is literally from a episode that came out just LAST WEEK and are full of Korean comments+many more videos with alot of views.


    As a Korean American I think OP doesn't understand that ratings for these shows target audience is mainly a lot older demographic. The cast and feel of the show is all on the older side of things at least for Koreans. Which shows with trot singers/older actors/celebs having far better ratings hell Jyp park jin young has better ratings than every other kpop act. This would be like going to the average American household and be surprised that the parents/grand parents aren't watching Justin Bieber on a variety show. People seem to use GP or ratings for these shows to drag groups but in this day and age youtube is far more consumable than sitting and watching a tv show, does it really matter that 40/50/60 year olds aren't watching your idols?? Skim a few comments on youtube and I find a lot koreans just don't watch these variety shows but rather watch clips.


    Is there really no public interest in Aespa as a group (bearing in mind their success on Kr melon has been insane) when sub 1 min clips are getting millions of views while not even being a year old group and haven't been on much variety shows? No there defiantly is a lot of buzz around Aespa in Korea. Karina and Winter especially just off few comments I looked through, people saying they aren't interested in Kpop but are fans of them. Their recent encore with 1.7m views Giselle and NingNing are getting a ton of praise and reconigition for their singing