Posts by patrik-k

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From what I'm understanding and I might be wrong, they terminated the contract and are not going back

It now depends on whether they can terminate with or without damages and that is up to the court. And it mainly revolves around the allegations that NJs brought up such as the abuse mistreatment etc stuff

well, yes, it's impossible to force anyone to work at a place you don't want to work at, I think that is pretty obvious. So yes the whole thing is about if they can "break the contract" without penalites and restrictions.

Quote from CaraFIMIE

Can you please explain to me why you think so?

There's no sarcasm intended, and I want you to lay it out for me so I can fully understand.

I thought I had explained my view many times.

The wrong doing Hybe/Ador have done, everything I have read about these claims sounds very speculative and rumor like and minor silly stuff. Like they would not do their best for the group? I mean they earn money from the group why would they destroy their own investment? make no sence at all.

But my main point is thay a contract is a contract and it takes a lot to call it a breach of a contract so severe that it would give NJ the right to break the contract without penalites. And what I have understand NJ have a very good contract giving them plenty of profit sharing, so they can't complain about that.

A company/investor must know they can trust that their contracts they sign with their artist can't be broken just because minor issues and conflicts. The companies invest millions of USD in to the groups and time. It can't be that a group just can run away after 1-2 years to an other company that will get the profit from the investments instead. Sure Hybe have a lot of money, I don't feel sorry for them, but let say it's a smaller company where the success of the group is the life or death for the company.

And as I have said many times, it's very obvious MHJ is the mastermind behind this, and maybe some of the parents.

So, nothing I have read about this is a big enought reason to give the girls the right to break the contract in my opinion and that is why I think Hybe/Ador is right and the girls are wrong.

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Why aren't you bringing up the other issues they brought up and just the greeting? I've also stated previously in this post here and quoting myself again...

Emphasis mine. I'm agreeing with the south korean lawyer that taking the claims individually has no merit, but only an idiot would build a case like that.

Taken as a whole in a pattern of behaviour of Ador/Hybe's behaviour towards Newjeans shows a shocking disregard about their duties of care and the duties in their contract towards Newjeans.

This is case building 101 that even undergrad students learn to do in moot court.

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Just saying, everything you claim is just small minor issues even it's true, nothing that would be big enough to say it's a major breach of the contract.

1. Did NJ get all they recources and means to fullfill their common goals? Yes. The group was a huge success and you can't claim it was not.

2. Did they get fair payment ? Oh yes, fillty rich

The only thing you can accuse the company for is that they gave the group so boring songs, but hey some people likes themt so I don't think thats enough to call it a breach of contract.

Anyway, it will be good if this mess can speed up so we can get a verdict soon.

Quote from uwuwu-98

And... Most people saying these things casually stan a Hybe group or directly belong to a big organization and they're making tons of money in the industry.

That just what you say. I don't any fan of any Hybe group, well I was kind of fan of GLAM but that was a long time of ago and I have don't make tonds of money in the industry. I still think NJ is wrong is this and Hybe/Ador is right. And is very obvious the NJ girls are not the main brain behind this rebellion.

Min Hee Jin faces tampering allegations in NewJeans contract dispute

New evidence has surfaced suggesting that Min Hee Jin, former CEO of ADOR, played a key role in NewJeans (NJZ)' contract termination announcement.&am…

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Quote from Hiakuryu

You're wrong.

I've quoted the civil code of the Republic of Korea, scholarly analysis and case law supporting this right.

If Party A breaches the contract and cannot make amends after a reasonable amount of time then Party B is absolutely allowed to terminate the contract.

This is absolutely not up for debate anymore. It is that easy.

NOW the crux of the matter is whether the reasons that Newjeans gave for termination are legitimate or not. But procedurally everything that Newjeans did was 100% correct.

I'll explain one more time

1. Newjeans sends certified letter of their demands and gives notice of 14 days.

2. Ador does not respond or fix the demands of rectification of the issues within business hours after 14 days.

3. Newjeans then terminates the contract.

Every single step as followed is 100% legal and correct.

What is in question is whether the demands themselves were valid or not.

Newjeans has the legal right to terminate the contract and followed every single step as required to make it valid. They did not cut corners, they did not take shortcuts. Everything done was legally correct.

Here is the but, but were the reasons as stated enough to claim a breach of contract? Well Newjeans thinks so, Ador doesn't. So this is why there is now a court date.

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The "problem" that a lot of NJ fans miss, it takes a lot do have a valid reason to be able to terminate a contract, just some minorr issues here and there not enoug. It must be major issues and it far from any major issues. I mean,... they are complaing about some member from an other kpop group are not saying hello to them when they met each other... I mean... ... helllo............is that something do drag up in court? Are the girls not over 20 not? Are they proud to bring silly stuff like that up in court?

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I really don't understand how killingtime1934 and patrik-k or anyone else could hate them...

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I don't hate them, I just don't like their music and think they are overrated. But sure, maybe americans and others call that "hate", we in Sweden don't call that "hate".

But the main things is all this is that it's crazy the group plays some kind of victim when they have had great success and made a lot of money thanks to Hybe/Ador. The purpose of the contract have been fullfilled and more than that. They have been transformed from nobodies to huge well-known stars, earned more money in 2 years than most people earn in a life time, what more can they wish for? It's not like they have been wipped by a slave master and only got water and bread for payment. Hybe have all the right to have the contract run to the end to get back payment for their investments they have in the group.

Quote from selfmate

An interesting question would be:

regardless of which side "wins" if there can be a winner would you accept the decision either way?

Like if you were pro Hybe/ADOR/BSH and the court ultimately decide against them would you accept that decision?

Vice versa - if you were pro MHJ/NJZ and the court decided against them would you accept that decision?

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I have always said I will admit I was wrong, but I still will think it's will be wrong if it's so easy to break a contract. Cry like a baby and complain about minor issues that is nothing and break a contract? But It hard to see they will get a "totally win" in this. I would guess the court would be happy for some kind of settlment or a ruling that makes both have some kind of half-victory, would probably please the public also.

A bit of a disappointment the little I have seen and heard of them, very generic feeling. But it can still fly, I give them a year.

Quote from Jeop

"NJ's situation is hopeless but they will be able to turn into some form of ownership but also MHJ still badwrong" is some next lvl pre-emptive cope.

It's because both are loosers in this situations and it would be very hard for both to go on as before. If they have a co-owned company both can safe face and feel like winners, even if both gives up something. It would be hard for NJ to crawl back to Hybe after everything NJ have said about them, but if they make a settlement with a co-own company and more freedom of how it's runned they can claim some kind of victory. The chance that NJ gets a totally victory in this most be 1 % or something like that.

I can't see NJ have any chance to win this, it would be scandal if they did and a break down of contract law. Still, most likely it will end in some kind of agreement and settlement, maybe a joint venture with Hybe with the girls as co-owerns in Ador or an other new company. As long as MHJ don't get a piece of the deal because it clear it's she and the parents that are behind all the trouble.

Quote from Chemotter

https://v.daum.net/v/20250227114402004

You'll have to google translate it.

Ador is in a tough situation. Barring NJZ from participating in musical activities would be the final straw in breaking trust with the girls, and it is a losing move in court as daisy pointed out previous precedents.

Hahah.... and you mean that Newjeans trying to break contract and doing music outside for the their contract with Ador is not "breaking the trust"? That just silly. They are free do do music with Ador, just go back.

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I like Blackpink, you've overestimated their concept. There have been many girl groups with different concepts this generation. Some did the Newjeans concept, some tried Aespa's metallic concept. Not everything is about BP. There's more variety, especially in girl groups. BP never did a dark concept like Gidle or aespa. What I mean is that their concepts have nothing to do with each other.

I just mean it's a bit on the trend of not doing "cute" or upbeat pop and to that I include music like 2NE1 and Blackpink did/do.

Cute yes, but at the same time.... a bit generic? No one that really stands out. Mayb the girl in red on the right edge.

I think it's a way go try to ride on BP more tougher concept compare earlier cute pop concepts. So "dark" and more "heavy" is kind of natural testing ground from the kind of music BP do. I would guess "cute pop" will bounch back in to fashion again soon. I hope..... a mix of different styles is the best.

Sounds like ape shit if this really is something from a song? But as always songs pretty much never really sounds like the make you believe, so I would not pay much attention to it.

I'm for "team logical and fare", and that is that the contracts should fullfill the contracts and not broken and you should not be able to run away as soon you like. If you call that "team Hybe" sure....I call it more "team law, business and trust".

A bit of a disappointment, I had heigher expectations on them. Close to a Flop, but at least it had something so I say Blop.

Quote from Yama-Chan

Couldn't have described this brainless retort of yours any better (well I would've spelled "nonsense" correctly).

There is nothing here worth any more of my attention. You're just too stupid to waste any more of my time on.

And as always you jump on people and attacking them, calling them names when they don't agree with you.

Quote from CaraFIMIE

not really sure what worklife you've been experiencing but that is not "just how" it is.

I just mean that you don't always are happy with what you employer decides when it comes to the need to work overtime or work schedules and things like.

Quote from uwuwu-98

Patrik is the perfect representation of the "as a law student" twitter haters in the forum.

And what to you mean by that more exactly?