Even if its a trend there's thousands of trend they can do and they released this one that they filmed over a week ago
Whether it was a coincidence or shade thrown by a staff member its funny
but you seem to be in the know about it hence my question to you lol
holy shit...did she get into trouble for it or get kicked out???
and who is Lee Byung Hun?
Lee Byung Hun is a famous south korean actor
the two girls got 6 months in jail and a 2 year suspended sentence
. . . alright then . . . but I felt like since I kinda have a biased against sexual crimes . . . . I kinda felt off if some people don't know about this
Im sure you do most people do but theres really no way around it no matter how guilty you believe a person is they have to have a lawyer doing there best to represent them and a jury who will assume they are innocent until proven other wise.
Display MoreLawyers won't lie about something that can be easily proven to be false. That just doesn't make any sense to do so. But to step back and clarify: What exact part are you actually talking about when you're saying that "Hybe lied in their statement"? I would like clarification on this please.
What.....are you serious? Eunseo's lawyers literally said in their statement that the whole reason why they went public was to protect Eunseo's mentality after she was attacked and attempted suicide. Literally, in their own words:
"The victim did not ask for any compensation, but she urged for the deletion of the statement that was different from the truth, to make a statement based on the facts, an apology, and simply just the truth"
So suddenly Eunseo's lawyers doesn't care about ANY of this and just want monetary compensation? Do you seriously not see the contradiction in this?
What they said in their statement and what is in the document is what i believe they lied about which is why they didnt release it
-The victim did not ask for compensation
They didnt and its possible they still did not request compensation at all. I simply said that if they now have requested some it wouldnt surprise me and wouldnt be a contradiction.
-urged for deletion of the statement was different from the truth to make a statment based on fact, and apology and simply the truth
Eunseo said her piece on when the lv 5 doc was proven to be true she was a victim and now Hybe has terminated their contract after being in some type of settlement discussion with Eunseo side. Its possible that sometype of agreement was met where Hybe wouldnt officially say Garam was guility or they were wrong while Eunseo side will agree to not release any more info or make another statement dont really know. But i dont see any contradictions.
Eunseo originally did not make any claims for money and now that Hybe has terminated her contract majority of general public believe Eunseo is now correct which will help her mentally.
. . . so that's makes its okay ??? because I don't think that okay
Yes, unless your saying people dont deserve lawyers because even guilty people need representation in court if you have a problem blame the prosecution for doing a bad job
eunseo lawyer firm also protects s*x offenders . . . so
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thats literally every for profit law firm
eunseo lawyers claims
-they tried to contact hybe privately to get them to change the statement
-eunseo received harassments because of hybe first statement
-Eunseo was a victim of school violence due to Garam
They already proved the level 5 document exist so theres not really much else i need clarification on. Garam was indeed found guilty and was punished that was a fact Hybe either lied or mislead about. Its hybe who is making the claim that Garam didnt do anything terrible and that her punishment was too severe which they could have proven by simply releasing the doc.
Display MoreYou still didn't answer my question (and please don't ignore it):
Do you really think that lawyers talking to each other would outright lie and compromise their own validity and cases in court?
I mean...why would lawyers publicly outright lie to each other? Lying (that can be proven) would undermine any lawyer's credibility when it comes to a court case if they're successfully called out on the lie. HYBE isn't a psychic or can see the future. They wouldn't be able to tell if Eunseo's lawyers would go directly to private settlement or respond publicly. Why would they spend time fully fabricating a highly detailed story when they're communicating with a large law firm that has access to ALL the information that Eunseo knows? Why would HYBE say that the Level 5 Document contained information about Eunseo and the molka when Eunseo's lawyers obviously had the document in their hand and could release it at ANY time if they wanted?
Also, Eunseo's lawyers statement was this:
"The victim did not ask for any compensation, but she urged for the deletion of the statement that was different from the truth, to make a statement based on the facts, an apology, and simply just the truth."
Wouldn't settling for a private settlement go against the initial purpose stated by Eunseo's lawyers for making this all public? They also stated that what triggered the public statement was Eunseo attempting to commit suicide because of the anxiety and fear from the following:
"With Yoo Eunseo being criticized and threatened by unidentified people for ‘slandering Kim Garam,’ she was indiscriminately attacked for the second time, and it intensified due to HYBE’s statement."
Per the law firms own statements, this whole thing was supposedly to help Eunseo's mental stability after being attacked online. How exactly does NOT publicly refuting HYBE's allegations about the molka help in preventing even MORE attacks against Eunseo? Regardless of a private settlement or not, if Eunseo's lawyers primary goal was the protection of Eunseo's mentality then they have ALL the reason to publicly call out HYBE's allegations if they are false.
Sorry but there ARE nuances involved in this regardless if you think so or not. Saying that "HYBE is just lying" doesn't cut it. It's important to know that lawyers primarily talk in truths. But they also talk in "Half-truths" to win their cases, where information is presented carefully to spin a story. This goes for both Enseo's lawyers and HYBE's lawyers. It's important to read and analyze everything carefully to get a better picture of what actually happened.
There's a complicated story going on. I'm not fully defending Garam because I actually do think she has at least some fault in things. But I'm not willing to paint it all black, say that HYBE is lying, and paint Garam as a simple bully when there's just too many things that doesn't add up to paint such a simple picture.
Display MoreYou still didn't answer my question (and please don't ignore it):
Do you really think that lawyers talking to each other would outright lie and compromise their own validity and cases in court?
I mean...why would lawyers publicly outright lie to each other? Lying (that can be proven) would undermine any lawyer's credibility when it comes to a court case if they're successfully called out on the lie. HYBE isn't a psychic or can see the future. They wouldn't be able to tell if Eunseo's lawyers would go directly to private settlement or respond publicly. Why would they spend time fully fabricating a highly detailed story when they're communicating with a large law firm that has access to ALL the information that Eunseo knows? Why would HYBE say that the Level 5 Document contained information about Eunseo and the molka when Eunseo's lawyers obviously had the document in their hand and could release it at ANY time if they wanted?
Also, Eunseo's lawyers statement was this:
"The victim did not ask for any compensation, but she urged for the deletion of the statement that was different from the truth, to make a statement based on the facts, an apology, and simply just the truth."
Wouldn't settling for a private settlement go against the initial purpose stated by Eunseo's lawyers for making this all public? They also stated that what triggered the public statement was Eunseo attempting to commit suicide because of the anxiety and fear from the following:
"With Yoo Eunseo being criticized and threatened by unidentified people for ‘slandering Kim Garam,’ she was indiscriminately attacked for the second time, and it intensified due to HYBE’s statement."
Per the law firms own statements, this whole thing was supposedly to help Eunseo's mental stability after being attacked online. How exactly does NOT publicly refuting HYBE's allegations about the molka help in preventing even MORE attacks against Eunseo? Regardless of a private settlement or not, if Eunseo's lawyers primary goal was the protection of Eunseo's mentality then they have ALL the reason to publicly call out HYBE's allegations if they are false.
Sorry but there ARE nuances involved in this regardless if you think so or not. Saying that "HYBE is just lying" doesn't cut it. It's important to know that lawyers primarily talk in truths. But they also talk in "Half-truths" to win their cases, where information is presented carefully to spin a story. This goes for both Enseo's lawyers and HYBE's lawyers. It's important to read and analyze everything carefully to get a better picture of what actually happened.
There's a complicated story going on. I'm not fully defending Garam because I actually do think she has at least some fault in things. But I'm not willing to paint it all black, say that HYBE is lying, and paint Garam as a simple bully when there's just too many things that doesn't add up to paint such a simple picture.
i answered your question yes lawyers lie all the time that is nothing new and once again you think so too. You said "it probably doesn't exactly paint Garam in a positive light either" if you think the document doesnt paint Garam in a good light than Hybe lied in their statement
Also nobody really believes Hybe counter statement there is nothing to refute because the general public do not believe hybe claims nor did they try to prove them. Also just because Eunseo side didnt want compensation originally when they tried to contact hybe they might now for the minimum of lawyer fees doesnt contradict anything.
Once again no there is not a lot of nuance here
can someone fill me in on what happened was it proven or not?
also please reply with a news source.
the only known fact is that garam was punished for committing school violence with a lv 5 punishment
nobody knows anything more specific
Lol. No. Don't forget that the HYBE statement was a detailed statement in response to Eunseo's lawyers' statement. Do you really think that lawyers talking to each other would outright lie and compromise their own validity and cases in court (if they eventually have to go in that direction)? Do you REALLY think that if HYBE was outright lying, that Eunseo's lawyers wouldn't have called them out on the bullsh*t publicly and have the public even MORE behind Eunseo? It would have been easy as pie to do this yet they didn't.
Also let's not forget that Eunseo's lawyers threatened to release more documents if HYBE did not conform and retract their statement about Garam being a victim. Yet HYBE went the opposite and indicted Eunseo of a potential crime. So.....Why didn't Eunseo's lawyers immediately release the documents like they threatened to or even attempt to clear Eunseo of the indictment????
See? There's lot's of nuances going on here. So far there's no actual real substantial reason to believe that HYBE lied other than simply "because".
eunseo lawyers didnt release more info because they were doing a "private settlement" and this is clearly part of it
and once again the only reason hybe wouldnt release the document is because they lied you said so yourself that the only reason is "it probably doesn't exactly paint Garam in a positive light either" which is the most charitable take there is
there is zero nuance because its true Garam committed school violence and was punished. Hybe and Garam claimed that the punishment was unjust and that she was helping a friend and provided zero evidence which is why she was terminated becaused of course the public is not just going to take Hybe at face value.
This is just one of the questions that I personally want the answer for. At first I thought they were just saving it for the court but obviously that's not happening. My assumption though is that the document might indicate that Garam v Eunseo wasn's a Bully v Bullied situation but at the same time it probably doesn't exactly paint Garam in a positive light either, which is why HYBE didn't release it. But who really knows......I don't think we'll ever get the real answer now.
what a round about way to say they simply lied. If what they claimed in their second statement was fact that eunseo did molka and they just had a verbal argument where eunseo admitted her mistake there is zero reason to not release that document to prove that.
Display MoreIt's weird to try to label any defense as just "shameless kpop fan worship". There's a lot of nuances to this case that's easy to identify when you actually spend some time digging into it, and it brings a lot of questions that SHOULD be analyzed and discussed. This may be be a foreign concept but not all things are as Black and White as they seem. In this particular case, there really IS a lot unresolved threads that should have been followed through (example: If Level 5 punishment is so bad, then why did this particular school in 2 years give out about the same number of Level 5 punishments as Level 1 punishments (written apology) while not that many Level 2, 3, or 4? What EXACTLY was fully written on that Level 5 document and what exactly did Garam do? etc.).
And there really is a difference between being a bully and committing an incident of school violence (and to clarify, school violence in Korea is not necessarily physical). People easily labeled Garam as a bully but bullying requires repeated aggressive behavior and a form of power imbalance. If say for example..... two people got into a physical fight over whatever stupid reason, this could be considered as an incident of school violence but it wouldn't be considered bullying. It's worth the time to question if this applies to Garam's situation as well.
Rather than dismissing conversation, it's better to actually stop and spend some time to clarify things. People blindly going on the attack is just as bad as people blindly going on the defense.
(and not ALL people who question Garam being a bully are Garam fans. I actually like OT5 and I don't have any connection to Garam at all and I'm ok with letting her go. But even I can see that there's WAY too many questionable things in this case to simply and easily shut this case as just "Garam was a bully. The End.")
If any of what you said was true all hybe/garam had to due was release the documents of proving what eunseo did and what exactly Garam was punished for.
Display MoreI feel like there's not much Cube could have done honestly. When I think of it, Garam's case sheds a new light on Soojin's.
Garam's case was filled with "evidence". Photos which allegedly demonstrated her iljin behavior. A school violence document against her with a level 5 sentence. All this got Garam canceled.
How many evidence were there against Soojin though? None. Zero iljin photos. No school documents. No text messages. Nothing. Yet she got canceled anyway! Why? Because people don't care about proofs.
Once the story is out and is backed by multiple (anonymous) accounts, you're done. And it's up to you to prove your innocence, which is impossible. You caoutn't prove you didn't bully anyone just like you can't prove you didn't have chicken for lunch 3 days ago.
So yes, this time there was evidence against Garam. But even without it, the result would have been most likely the same.
the main problem with soojin was she came off as too combative in her responses mostly when dealing with the actress she basically dared the actress to make a public statement and when she did it did more damage than it should have when it could have been handled in private. Without the actress soojin probably could have made a comeback.
while im trying to stay neutral on this, the statement u made is unfair.
From the start it is already not a fair situation for Garam/source music as they are in the court of public opinion. While the alledged victim has nothing to lose with the accusation. And in some countries, the alledged bully need to provide evidence to proof not guilty but bully case is always subjective and not necessary to have evidence to back it up. Imagine a case whereby two girls in an isolated room, and one girl got hurt by herself and she could have just reported to the school and blame the other girl for the injury. Withness no? Injury yes. School likely to take action skewed toward victim. Things like this happen and no one is giving garam benefit of doubt but instead insist that level 5 punishment is associated with bullying that girl
Also, from commercial POV, if the case has no solid evidence to back it up, no point to persue further. Axing garam from the group give the least cost and damage. But that doesnt mean garam has admitted to it. Just that SouMu from commercial point of view dont see the worth to continue. Same happened to cube and soojin and see later what happened
If what hybe claimed was true all they had to do was release the documents which the law firm threaten to do. If its true that all Garam did was get into a verbal argument that would be listed in the docs along with accusations of taking the photo and the suppose congession from eunseo. That would have flipped the narrative 180....theres only one reason to assume hybe didnt
well its a fact she was punished for school violence yes
IOI????
yea kim sohye
why do people think shes innocent if what she said was true she could just release the docs with names censored lmao
It made no sense from the beginning no parent would accept a harsher punishment like that from the school on their record for "protecting" a friend especially one that planned on debuting as an idol.
