Posts by prodigy210

Quote from ThePhantomThief

I've made comparisons to MHJ and Trump and their behaviour and character more than once.

This quote applies very well to Trump. A cunning manipulator that is also a stupid emotional narcissist that lets pride cloud his judgment.

The two things CAN co-exist, but only for so long before their own actions generally tend to bring the house of cards down around them.

Trump is not some genius manipulator his supports just dont care as long as he goes against democrats. He fumbles around and has plenty of contradictions but as long as he doesnt have a D next to the name on ballot they will vote for him. At best i would give him charismatic.

Quote from Ves

Oh there has been a lot of immediate jumping on her, I'm not denying that. It's not something I agree with, I like to look at more evidence to really find what the bigger picture may be.

I thought her press conference showed she would have liked to leave and also a lot of good reasons why such an environment where she felt she truly had full control would be better for her. Which is why I think many do think she might have written down plans to leave, whether serious or not.

Yea guess we will find out through court eventually if hybe truly does have evidence that mhj directed employees to give confidential info to investors. Outside of that any other claims made by hybe fall well short of breach of trust.

Quote from Ves

I 100% agree with the removal of the non-compete.

I still don't think the request to have complete control over termination is clear, but I do think it makes sense given how other sub labels are run plus that she wants to be fully independent. Cause I do think BSH likes to be more "up in their business" than truly independent would be.

This is why I said before, this meeting is what I think pushed him over the edge. They say they were tipped off in that general time period. So Hybe thinks it shows that she wants to leave and take NJ with her, hence the suit. He thought that this was what it all pointed to, and it's hard to to say she doesn't want to leave when she bemoans not making her own label and basically saying she wants to leave but she can't.

Her defense is that sure messages about leaving exist, but none of it was serious they were just doodles etc. Well, I tried to understand how it might not be serious. And I gave my thoughts on it above.

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Okay but thats not how people originally reacted. People were jumping all over the place with see how greedy mhj was, see she claims she doesn't want money but its all about money, than tries moves on to say she constantly lying or making contradictions which she never did.

No where have I gotten any indication mhj wanted to leave ador and start a new company with new jeans. It also seems shes very much aware how impossiblethat is. Every indication to me seems like mhj is constantly fighting to get as much independence and oversight removal from hybe because that is what she values. The creative control and vision that is her own and not hybe.

Quote from aclassyteaparty

feel free to quote where I said "there's no defamation", bc i didn't. i thought you were talking about hybe's talking points, but the original post that was quoted by ves was just about mhj's personality based on her own actions... thats all i was trying to say, and then you said our conversations about her are defaming her, which i don't agree with. i just also find it hard to agree with "mhj is getting more shit bc she's a woman" when in fact i think she is getting less shit for being a woman. how creepy she is being about the newjeans members, and all the creepy stuff in her past, is dismissed and swept under the rug, she is literally getting support in sk for being a woman in this situation and all of her potentially shady actions again swept under the rug. i think there probably was some misogyny in hybe behind why this entire situation ended up here, but the public reaction to her hasnt been entirely misogynistic after her prescon, thats for sure.

those of us who are still discussing her issues can discuss them without inherent bias. i always loved that newjeans had a female exec and that hybe had a foreward facing woman in power. but that doesn't mean i can't dislike mhj now. i gave her so much grace during the cookie controversy and during the controversy of her inviting nwjns to her home with naked pictures on the wall. but this stuff truly haunts me now.

Firstly people bring of her obsession with youth all the time its not swept under the rug. It's seen as not as big of a because its assumed she is not attraced to women. If it was confirmed she was a lesbian/bi rest assured all of her comments would be blown up just as much if she was a man if not more. She may get some support because she is a women just like she gets shit because she is a women these things aren't mutually exclusive. But what im talking about is the comments made on akp is dripped in misogny.

Quote from ZestyMochi

I saw many people felt she was manipulative since the press conference but honestly its just perception and opinions which can change and rarely set in stone. I'm sure the same has happened for BSH as well and the truth is nobody knows MHJ irl so no matter what we say its all speculated whether you like her or not we are all just imagining how she's feels, how she thinks, all of it.

I dont disagree but people aren't changing their perception or opinions they are just sliding narratives to continue their old ones. Mhj is constantly seen has this cunning manipulative women while simultaneously a stupid emotional narcissistic that let's pride cloud her judgment. It's same thing seen with conspiracy theories.

Quote from Ves

The statement Ador released verified that she both wanted 30x and for sole power to terminate NJ's contract. The motivations behind these moves are speculated on for sure, but putting out a statement doesn't mean it happened the way outlined - in either statement. Isn't the dispute they have between them evidence that they are interpreting these actions in different ways?

She wanted the REMOVAL OF THE NON CONPETE and if they would not remove it she wanted to increase sell of shares buy back. Secondly she asked for control over all contracts that ador signs. This includes song writers, composers, cfs, and new trainees without hybe oversight. That is a far cry from wanting the ability to terminate new jeans contract.

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Its not selective reading its people being fans of MHJ and feeling sensitive whenever people talk unfavorably about her. MHJ didn't make a great impression on everyone during that conference and people are allowed to have an opinion based on how she presented herself. This is what any public figure goes through and we all do it for kpop idols so this isn't much different.

Its not selective just from the press con alone people went from mhj is so stupid and emotional. This is going to ruin her so unprofessional shes so unhinge this is why she cant be ceo.

Than they saw positive reaction and switched to omg she's so manipulative. She's a sly fox who intentionally put on a sad act to fool people into supporting her our of pity.

Quote from aclassyteaparty

you're using the word defamation a little too losely if you think the 20 something active users in this thread discussing their opinion on min heejin, again, based on her own prescon and own words, is slandering her or tarnishing her reputation. she already has sk support according to yall. why do our opinions hurt you so much.

Lol so it went from theres no defamation to we are only a few people why does it matter. Than you try to discredit me by saying im acting hurt.

Quote from Ves

What half truth do you think I'm analyzing?

Her wanting 30x stock

Her wanting power to terminate new jeans contract

Those two plenty of people ran wild with bs in threads

Quote from Ves

Yes, because she talked about herself a lot before that too.

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Min hee jin is really Lee soo man protégé 😭😭

https://www.pannchoa.com/2023/…eejins-controversial.html

Sis the idols are the celebrities 😭😭😭 what in LSM behavior is this 😭😭 I thought only he was cringe enough to say and do shit like this 🧍‍♀️🧍‍♀️🧍‍♀️

I have never seen a situation where the creative head gets into more foot in mouth issues than the idols themselves

ISaidISaid

Jan 22nd 2023

So? What does this tell me? She says she got investments from hybe but majority of decisions are made without them. What did you get from her statement that you can make any type of personal judgment on her character?

Quote from aclassyteaparty

you responded to someone who said "why are we discussing mhj's personality". we are not currently talking about the "defamation", we are talking about what she herself has displayed in her prescon, in her interviews, and through her actions. i personally feel like people have and can call out bsh in similar ways. but from what i can see no one thinks bsh is a victim in any of this. the talk returns to mhj again and again bc people are portraying her as completely innocent and not everyone agrees on that clearly. there is more discussion where there are disagreements.

Calling her narcissistic, greedy, and a manipulator is literally what im talking about doing. Making women seem unhinge and emotional is the oldest form of defamation so people discount what they say.

Quote from Ves

I think the public press conference had a big role in that. Hybe and BSH have not been as open and direct - which I mentioned. I have speculated as well on his motivations, but its harder with him since a lot of what has been said about him we only get from second hand sources, whereas much of what I am analyzing from her she came out in public with.

The only thing I see concretely is him asking her is she can create a girl group that can step on Aespa. I have heard how she felt about that situation in her own words. I haven't heard him address it.

She was getting called all sorts of stuff way before that press conference and are yall really analyzing her own words or hybes statements of half truths.

Quote from aclassyteaparty

has bsh's character not come into the convo either..? because i recall plenty of people giving him similar critiques in the other thread. js, its fair game for all public figures to be scrutinised and both sides are getting hit.

Not really and definitely not to the extent that its done to mhj. Their is a large difference between critiques and character assassination/defamation.

Quote from sveznalica

I am not sure why we are even discussing her personality? How is that of any relevance is, what I don't understand?

She is greedy, she is creep, she is this, she is that... well so are people she is going against, so I am not sure why are we even doing this.

Because she is a woman

i forgot to mention this but even if mhj was granted full singular authority over new jeans contracts she would not be able to terminate new jeans contract without being sued and thrown into jail. New jeans is the only artist in ador that would cause clear harm to company which would be clear breach of trust with their share holder hybe.

People pretending she could have used this as some grand master plan to ride into the sunset is delusional especially when she still holds stocks in ador w/ that long ass non compete.

we need to bring back face palm

Quote from Epyon-556

Because the document they obtained said Ador was gonna unleash a media war in May. They responded by launching their own sloppier media war in April. And two wrongs don't make a right but one wrong definitely also doesn't make a right.

No one is denying this document existed, the only defense is that he was joking. How compelling you find that is up to you.

Ador cause a media war for what reason?

Every silly take over plan comes up short because how exactly were they going to force hybe to sell ador shares?

Quote from atropos

Why don't they just announce the disbandment? It's obvious they are over.

Stream this tho

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Probably waiting for contract to end

Deny it all you want hybe/bang pd is behind ioi disbandment and the reason why all their sub groups had zero success

Quote from Ves

As I said, it was an article I read earlier that was in Korean. I machine translated it and you know the perils of that. I don't think the translation is that important though, because it is more about the level of detail she chooses to share - very emotionally fraught moments. She is though emotionally fragile herself and as I said, that cane often cause things to be magnified.

As for me not dragging BPD enough - LOLOLOLOL. The man has lost sight of everything, including himself, in the pursuit of power and greed. The levels of passive aggressive that Hybe has gone to is appalling. Mind you, this is supposed to have been "Music and artists for healing" when they've just become another soulless company giving lip service to the public.

Is it surprising to see? Not really. Maybe a tad disappointing because of all BH was supposed to stand for. But that ship sailed. It's harder for me to talk issue with anything he's said because he's usually very composed at public events. That screenshot of him asking MHJ to great a gg to step on Aespa - welp, you can tell he was already in the dark cycle of competition, blinded by his ego.

Honestly, both of these individuals have serious personality flaws they need to address for their own good and the good of those around them. I don't even understand picking a side, unless it's for the idols that are getting dragged into this when they've not done anything.

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guess I'll agree to disagree. I can't read your mind so I will never know the truth.

To me it's clear a lot of people in this thread have a extremely unfounded negative opinion of mhj in their head and are using that to twist every word and action to the most negative reality possible. Wether your comment about mhj having a unhealthy co-dependence relationship with new jeans was one of them I will never know lol.