Why are fans acting like Iz*One members are all doing the best when Wonyoung and Yena are hard carrying all the "success" perception?

Fans are acting like post-Iz*One members are all doing fantastic when Wonyoung and Yena are hard carrying this perception.

Le Sserafim just debuted so I'll refrain from commenting too much on them. I'll agree they definitely have a lot of potential and traction, but Kim Garam is overshadowing all the talk so we will give them time to see how things eventually turn out in a few weeks or months.

Other members literally disappeared, Hyewon did a flop webdrama (yall hate the word flop but it's true, and she ain't even the main character of the drama), it was literally the worst-received season out of all 3 seasons. Yuri has a webdrama but she's not even the main lead as well. And literally 90% of all idols do some sort of webdramas so let's not act like that's doing fantastic. Minju is living on her music show host and Lee Chaeyeon is an glorified unemployed IG influencer.

Their fans throw out all the album numbers for Eunbi and Yuri but literally all Produce groups/soloists have great numbers at the start but fizzle out at the end. Their tracks have no GP awareness, gets no play and no covers on TV programs, the members do not get invited on TV variety shows,, people talk trash about Somi's lack of musical release but at least Dumb Dumb was a hit song and gets covered on shows occassionally.

Wonyoung (and IVE) is the only one that is truly doing fantastic, she's appearing on TV variety shows such as Knowing Bros, and the manager observation show. Yena just won 2 awards, and at least she gets regular variety work. No other members have the public recognition like they do. They are hard carrying this perception of Iz*One members all doing great.

I said what I said, and I would LOVE to hear your opinions.

I won't comment anything of your post because you literally said nothing about Yujin and she's also very popular.

Of course Wonyoung is popular but this is not Wonyoung and friends like all you are trying to make it to be. All the girls are starting to be noticeable not only Wonyoung. Rei popularity in Japan is climbing very fast and each other is starting to get solo deals

The rest of the izone girls are all doing well some better than others but still something you can call it successful

The erasure of Yujin, omg. She literally has the lost IG followers after Sakura and Wonyoung (2.2 Million), enough brand deals and she trends on a regular basis

damn what made you wake up and so angry at Iz*One that you are even starting to spout all this nonsense? Huffing and puffing for? Why are we pretending? Did you SEE what happened to all the other post produce groups? Sure, not all of IVE members are receiving the same levels of success but they sure are doing a whole hell of a lot better on average than all the other post produce idols. It's thanks to their floppage that the term "produce curse" even came to exist.

Wonyoung, Yujin, IVE, Sakura, Chaewon, Le SSERAFIM, Yena, Eunbi, Yuri, and Eunbi are all doing well and the reason people can now throw the word "Produce privilege" around so flippantly. Minju and Chaeyeon admittedly are still on a rocky road but the future is full of endless possibilities.

Get it together. No matter how much you try to pretend IVE is Wonyoung and friends or downplay Yujin or doubt Le Sserafim and the other Iz*One members the reality will always say otherwise.

Not sure about Yuri but Eunbi does get invited to TV shows, I don't even follow her activities but still see her in random shows

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The erasure of Yujin, omg. She literally has the lost IG followers after Sakura and Wonyoung (2.2 Million), enough brand deals and she trends on a regular basis

she riding on Wonyoung's coattails but yeah sure. I included IVE in the final paragraph as you may have seen.

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Not sure about Yuri but Eunbi does get invited to TV shows, I don't even follow her activities but still see her in random shows

When was the last time she was on an actual TV variety show? She's been on a web show, but most idols have some sort of web variety shows, are we gonna act like thats doing fantastic?

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she riding on Wonyoung's coattails but yeah sure. I included IVE in the final paragraph as you may have seen.

Once again, what? She was already doing well before IVE debuted, having brand deals and being an Inkigayo MC. Just because you refuse to admit someone‘s popularity for your own agenda doesn’t mean it’s not true

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Fans are acting like post-Iz*One members are all doing fantastic when Wonyoung and Yena are hard carrying this perception.

Le Sserafim just debuted so I'll refrain from commenting too much on them. I'll agree they definitely have a lot of potential and traction, but Kim Garam is overshadowing all the talk so we will give them time to see how things eventually turn out in a few weeks or months.

Other members literally disappeared, Hyewon did a flop webdrama (yall hate the word flop but it's true, and she ain't even the main character of the drama), it was literally the worst-received season out of all 3 seasons. Yuri has a webdrama but she's not even the main lead as well. And literally 90% of all idols do some sort of webdramas so let's not act like that's doing fantastic. Minju is living on her music show host and Lee Chaeyeon is an glorified unemployed IG influencer.

Their fans throw out all the album numbers for Eunbi and Yuri but literally all Produce groups/soloists have great numbers at the start but fizzle out at the end. Their tracks have no GP awareness, gets no play and no covers on TV programs, the members do not get invited on TV variety shows,, people talk trash about Somi's lack of musical release but at least Dumb Dumb was a hit song and gets covered on shows occassionally.

Wonyoung (and IVE) is the only one that is truly doing fantastic, she's appearing on TV variety shows such as Knowing Bros, and the manager observation show. Yena just won 2 awards, and at least she gets regular variety work. No other members have the public recognition like they do. They are hard carrying this perception of Iz*One members all doing great.

I said what I said, and I would LOVE to hear your opinions.

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Lesserafirm members and Ive members (yes even Yujin) are doing fine. Yujin has a ton of female fans and goes viral multiple times, it's just that Wonyoung is an it girl.

Yuri is a Korean-large-fandom case, she didn't make too much noise internationally but similar to MAMAMOO members, she sold a lot through her fanbase and her music did trend. She's stable, even if she's not A tier like the rest. Yuri trended #1 in korea when her solo released for hours.

Eunbi, Hyewon (but I think she wants to focus on being an influencer), Minju, and Chaeyeon aren't doing as well as expected. But Minju has her visuals, once she gets a role she'll get attention. Nako to me didn't have much hype in IZ*One, and that trend has continued onto now. OFC her popularity has increased but her career isn't flourishing because HKT is a mess of bullying backstabbers, and Sasshi graduated.

The way we know is if each member has "broken out" of the IZ*One reputation. While Eunbi is stable, sold well + has the best music of the IZ*One members, she hasn't broken out of her IZ*One fans. Hyewon is doing smaller-time work but the same idea, Minju & Chaeyeon have the same thing but Minju at least has her visuals to get nonfans. I think Chaeyeon is in the worst situation as some fans left after SWF.

I think Yuri's in the middle, she hasn't really fully broken out of her IZ*One image but she has gained fans for her music + personality. Yena on the other hand has fully broken out as a solo act and entertainer to be reckoned with...now 3 daesangs. The Ive and Lesserafirm members ofc have.

You forgot Hitomi, she's had the 3rd biggest glow up after Wonyoung and Sakura. Now she's at the center and front of every release in her J-group, and has tons of fans compared to how she was basically nugu compared to Nako and Sakura. She's trying to get out of her contract too, so she can graduate and make more $$.

So I think:

A: Sakura, Wonyoung,

A-: Yujin, Chaewon

low A-: Yena

B+: Yuri

**Hitomi **Nako

B: Eunbi, Minju, Hyewon

B-: Chaeyeon

I think Minju will move up to B+ tier when she actually debuts. Confused on where to put Nako and Hitomi, Nako may move down while Hitomi moves up if Hitomi actually gets out of her contract, but I think both are B+ for now. Their female solo stans aren't buying as much when they're part of their Jpop groups. Hyewon has tons of female solo stans without doing much. Same with Minju.

So that's 5 members with established and growing careers, 1 that's on her way. That's pretty good! And out of the 12, 11 of them are actually getting funding from their companies/getting pushed on shows. Only Chaeyeon is really at a disadvantage here.

I think the IZ*One fans have reason to rejoice. Sure not every member is going to be A+ tier but 2 it girls/centers is nothing to scoff at.

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she riding on Wonyoung's coattails but yeah sure. I included IVE in the final paragraph as you may have seen.

Luckily for herself, Yujin has something which is very rare among 4th gen idols... actual talent, which will ultimately help her in the long run. She'll be the Sejeong of I*ZONE (but without having to be a part of nugudan).

Also, people are overestimate their impact.

Other than Wonyoung who is the it girls in Korea and Sakura who has a large fanbase in both Japan and Korean, other don't have impact at all. like people say of course, this group will be successful because they have ex-izone in the group. Yujin and Chaewon can be easily surpass from their own groupmate. Look at Kazuha who already more popular than Chaewon and Sakura in Korea right now. Rei, Leeseo, sometime even have more fancam views than Yujin.

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Also, people are overestimate their impact.

Other than Wonyoung who is the it girls in Korea and Sakura who has a large fanbase in both Japan and Korean, other don't have impact at all. like people say of course, this group will be successful because they have ex-izone in the group. Yujin and Chaewon can be easily surpass from their own groupmate. Look at Kazuha who already more popular than Chaewon and Sakura in Korea right now. Rei, Leeseo, sometime even have more fancam views than Yujin.

Fancam views don’t alway translate to popularity though. It’s much better indicated by the following a person has. If Yujin and Chaewon were to debut solo right now, they’d do much better than their groups mates because they already have established fandoms. And Yujin also Trends on a regular basis and gets many endorsement deals so I still fail to understand why people are unwilling to accept that she is popular

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Luckily for herself, Yujin has something which is very rare among 4th gen idols... actual talent, which will ultimately help her in the long run. She'll be the Sejeong of I*ZONE (but without having to be a part of nugudan).

But Sejeong was a legit all-rounder entertainer and was huge with the GP straight from the jump. She was regular members in variety shows and a solo guest in tons of them, had an acting role right after IOI and her solo debut got a real-time all-kill. Yujin doesn't have that kind of GP appeal.

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Also, people are overestimate their impact.

Other than Wonyoung who is the it girls in Korea and Sakura who has a large fanbase in both Japan and Korean, other don't have impact at all. like people say of course, this group will be successful because they have ex-izone in the group. Yujin and Chaewon can be easily surpass from their own groupmate. Look at Kazuha who already more popular than Chaewon and Sakura in Korea right now. Rei, Leeseo, sometime even have more fancam views than Yujin.

This is the exact point I've been trying to make. Their "success" perception is hard-carried by Wonyoung (and Sakura/Yena). The others don't have impact with the GP, they're not going on TV variety shows nor are their songs getting covered or played on shows.

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But Sejeong was a legit all-rounder entertainer and was huge with the GP straight from the jump. She was regular members in variety shows and a solo guest in tons of them, had an acting role right after IOI and her solo debut got a real-time all-kill. Yujin doesn't have that kind of GP appeal

But Yujin is a part of a successful group, which gugudan sadly never achieved. So her path can be different from Sejeong, but she does have the potential.

That apart, the premise of the post depends on the basis of comparison. If you compare the ex-Izone with the average idols, they all have far better prospects. But if you compare them with top GGs, then yes only a few are having great success.

But that is true of other produce groups too - IOI - the big 3 are Sejeong, Somi and Chungha, rest have decreasing degrees of success.

So hardly unusual.

Izone is still fresh in memories and Wizone support will help them all at least for couple more years. That is itself a big deal, compare to the tens of GGs who debut and make no impact. These girls can pay off their debts (might have already) and enough to fund a very comfortable life. Not something the average idol can claim - think about all those who did not make the Izone cut - Lightsum/LunarSolar/PurpleKiss etc.,