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depends honestly... in a general sense, Korean popularity is better as groups focus on promoting to Korean audiences.
but there are some groups that might rely more on international popularity and make it work it for themselves it seems... Kard and Dreamcatcher come to mind.
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One is getting tons of hits on chart,cf thanks to their hit and sold more than the other group with a debut album and two of their member are getting more attention than the other one
And the other Girlgroup have good stream on spotify
It seems that it's easy to see what's more important between international and korean success
International success is irrelevant because no kpop group will be relevant internationally if they are not bp or bts
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Does international popularity make a living for these groups? Only few groups have real international success and get to tour regularly and make bank, others only have Spotify streams and YouTube views and their fans think that's the epitome of success.
So seeing kpop fans try to argue that having a few million streams higher or charting for a few days longer is somehow better than being successful in your hometown where you get CFs and get invited to paying events because of your popularity is appalling. Stupidity.
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Korea.
Being lower than D-lister in other countries is never great
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One is getting tons of hits on chart,cf thanks to their hit and sold more than the other group with a debut album and two of their member are getting more attention than the other one
And the other Girlgroup have good stream on spotify
It seems that it's easy to see what's more important between international and korean success
International success is irrelevant because no kpop group will be relevant internationally if they are not bp or bts
This sum it up. Close the thread, and no need to discuss further.
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Korea = one country
International = multiple countries all over the world
Is it better to be known only in one country or all over the world?
no, because those international u said can abandon them and move on very quickly unless if u are at BP/BTS level, however, as for Korea, at least u got your own country supports which is already enough for a Kpop group.
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Lol? Are you new to kpop? Korea drops groups left and right much faster than you can imagine. At least when a group has big international success it means they have a fandom that will keep supporting them. While in Korea, groups rely only on gp and as we've seen it's so unreliable. Look at the girl group which used to be called Nation's girl group - they chart as bad as a 4th gen boy group now
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International for more album money, domestic for more commercial money
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Korean popularity is still more relevant because Korea is K-pop’s biggest market.
Success wise, international is better but relevancy has Korea edging out
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Lol? Are you new to kpop? Korea drops groups left and right much faster than you can imagine. At least when a group has big international success it means they have a fandom that will keep supporting them. While in Korea, groups rely only on gp and as we've seen it's so unreliable. Look at the girl group which used to be called Nation's girl group - they chart as bad as a 4th gen boy group now
OMG I need to laugh right now, yeah you're right let's compare
in one side we have 2NE1 the girlgroup who was consider " the top GG internationally " let's see where are their members right now, dara acting career flop so she's doing variety now and most people forgot about her, CL tried to came back as solo artist she flopped, nobody give a care about Minzy, and bom didn't do bad for their first song but now nobody care about her anymore
meanwhile let's compare with the national girl group of the time, SNSD,
in one side we have Taeyeon who's a digital monster in korea, and a really respected solo artist
then we have Yoona, Seohyun, sooyoung who all have a very successfull acting career
Yuri who had a successfull drama and is a mentor on a MBC show
Tiffany who's going into acting and already have 2 actings jobs, a mentor in a Mnet show, and a successfull musical actress
and Sunny who's doing nothing and still got more attention from people than 3/4 of 2NE1 members
i'm sorry but clearly being relevant in korea matter more than being relevant internationally
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OMG I need to laugh right now, yeah you're right let's compare
in one side we have 2NE1 the girlgroup who was consider " the top GG internationally " let's see where are their members right now, dara acting career flop so she's doing variety now and most people forgot about her, CL tried to came back as solo artist she flopped, nobody give a care about Minzy, and bom didn't do bad for their first song but now nobody care about her anymore
meanwhile let's compare with the national girl group of the time, SNSD,
in one side we have Taeyeon who's a digital monster in korea, and a really respected solo artist
then we have Yoona, Seohyun, sooyoung who all have a very successfull acting career
Yuri who had a successfull drama and is a mentor on a MBC show
Tiffany who's going into acting and already have 2 actings jobs, a mentor in a Mnet show, and a successfull musical actress
and Sunny who's doing nothing and still got more attention from people than 3/4 of 2NE1 members
i'm sorry but clearly being relevant in korea matter more than being relevant internationally
??? One group doesn't make a difference. You must have a really HUGE popularity in Korea to be somewhat safe. What happened to twice? You think they'll be fine after disbandment when they can barely chart as a group? Sustaining the korean support unless you're bts is very hard. A double edged sword. You never know what to expect and just because one group got lucky, it's not a guarantee the rest will do so too.
WHILE international success guarantees you a fandom. A fandom that will keep spending money on you which is perfectly enough for one artist. International success can give you a fandom to support you while Korean success can give you a momentary hype which,if you are lucky enough you'll maintain,if not - you'll fail.
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You are aware 'international' from the frame of reference of being a Korean means all countries outside of Korea right, not just 'tHe WeSt'?
SEA brings in massive streaming, views and great touring, even more recently endorsements. Japan is about 5-6 times more valuable alone than the entire Korean music market, the whole thing! Even a small slice of that pie is big money and lots of fans.
Look at BP aren't even a mainstream act their and had a dome tour that raked in around 20m bucks. China is a mass buyer of albums and recently earnings from Chinese streaming sites have been bringing in good money for some of these acts like BP, BTS, NCT and Seventeen.
It's more than just the west ffs. But OP this is stupid as the gulf isn't really large enough, it's deifferent yes if you compare say an act like IU who is comparably small outside of Korea but massive within it to say...Seventeen who is on the flip side of that, has a large international following from China and Japan mostly, but little Korean exposure.
But Aespa and Itzy are fairly close internationally.
If it's on the extreme end like my example, I would say international.
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i think it depends on the level of fame we are talking about... being very popular internationally (instead of only inside the kpop community bubble) internationally is better of course.
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You are aware 'international' from the frame of reference of being a Korean means all countries outside of Korea right, not just 'tHe WeSt'?
SEA brings in massive streaming, views and great touring, even more recently endorsements. Japan is about 5-6 times more valuable alone than the entire Korean music market, the whole thing! Even a small slice of that pie is big money and lots of fans.
Look at BP aren't even a mainstream act their and had a dome tour that raked in around 20m bucks. China is a mass buyer of albums and recently earnings from Chinese streaming sites have been bringing in good money for some of these acts like BP, BTS, NCT and Seventeen.
It's more than just the west ffs. But OP this is stupid as the gulf isn't really large enough, it's deifferent yes if you compare say an act like IU who is comparably small outside of Korea but massive within it to say...Seventeen who is on the flip side of that, has a large international following from China and Japan mostly, but little Korean exposure.
But Aespa and Itzy are fairly close internationally.
If it's on the extreme end like my example, I would say international.
even in your example of IU vs SVT, clearly being massive in SK wins out. IU makes more money on cfs, acting gigs, and decent concert tours (with less operation overhead too). she also has way more sustainable career options too, evidenced by how long of a career she's had.
Look at DBSK who was big internationally but meh in SK. how much is changmin selling now for albums?
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Relevant to what?
Matters more to whom/how?
Anyway, it is best to have both. And in the interconnected world, they feed of each other and can't be isolated.
But if it can be isolated and I have to choose, then definitely popularity in the home ground i.e. S.Korea, makes for longer, impactful career, even if international fame is more lucrative to the companies, in the shorter window.
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even in your example of IU vs SVT, clearly being massive in SK wins out. IU makes more money on cfs, acting gigs, and decent concert tours (with less operation overhead too). she also has way more sustainable career options too, evidenced by how long of a career she's had.
Look at DBSK who was big internationally but meh in SK. how much is changmin selling now for albums?
Funny because the tvxq members aren’t even really talked about in Japan like that anymore. Now they’re back in Korea looking for relevancy lol
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even in your example of IU vs SVT, clearly being massive in SK wins out. IU makes more money on cfs, acting gigs, and decent concert tours (with less operation overhead too). she also has way more sustainable career options too, evidenced by how long of a career she's had.
Look at DBSK who was big internationally but meh in SK. how much is changmin selling now for albums?
Yeah maybe, but name 1 other Korean singer doing that? AKMU? No. Teayeon? Probably not.
You can find countless groups like 17 so it's way more reliable. Stray Kids, Enhypen, NCT, TxT, Ateez, etc would all outsell and out stream and out tour 90% of people with only domestic fame.
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even in your example of IU vs SVT, clearly being massive in SK wins out. IU makes more money on cfs, acting gigs, and decent concert tours (with less operation overhead too). she also has way more sustainable career options too, evidenced by how long of a career she's had.
Look at DBSK who was big internationally but meh in SK. how much is changmin selling now for albums?
Also 17 could book 1 dome tour and make more revenue than IU in a couple of weeks than she does in an entire year, the last time TVXQ toured they raked in more cash than she did in the last few years combined
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honestly BoA is another good example of this. she was big in SK for a few years but much of her glory was international (also primarily Japan), and she's said several times how it's disheartening that not many people check out her music or her news anymore. then look at lee hyori who was huge in south korea but not so much internationally, any time she decides to do promotional activities she gets big TV ratings and buzz.
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And a lot of that money goes to their agency/international concert handlers. IU can clear 8-10 million in a year in personal profit (not agency's cut), no one from 17 is making 8-10 million lol.
IU was higher paid than TVXQ even in their touring prime too, if you trust Forbes korea's annual celebrity estimates.
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Both are important and relevant. Girl groups tend to focus locally or to chart in K-platform because that is their strength . They rely heavily on Korean GP. It gives them endorsements and CFs and if they are lucky a chance to be known in some international market too especially those countries that love K-pop. If they are stable ( still relevant after 5 years) in Korean market , then it gives them some advantage .
For boy groups ---they are more fan-based. It’s been a while since a boy group entered top 10 in melon chart except BTS ( if I am not mistaken) after the reform and it is yet to be accomplished by any 4thgen boy group acts. The boy group’s marketability outside Korea is a well-known fact in the industry that’s why their music is heavily focus to please international market’s taste than Korean GP. International market is not just the West – there are several countries in Asia that are also part of top 10 biggest music industry ,for example Japan, China. Then, other SEA countries with a good number of population that can help boost your YT views and Spotify streams. They can also buy a lot of albums or merchandise and if touring starts again, concerts. It can also bring them some advertisement deals outside Korea. You do know that CFs and advertisements outside Korea are also profitable. It also promotes Korean culture and their other products . It helps boost Korean economy too. And if you get to chart in BB, and other relevant charts in Europe even i f it’s just top album sales , it even becomes more relevant. Your marketability increases outside Korea.
If they were able to build a strong and loyal/dedicated fan-base, boy groups career will be more stable . It can give then an average of 7-10 years of dedicated support if they play it right while GP in Korea usually favors different groups in lesser time. It will probably change after 2 – 3 years unless they explore other areas — ie, acting .
Also, I think k-pop industry changed a lot in the last couple of years. With BTS and Blackpink’s success internationally, it changed how big 4 markets their acts. Boy groups after international fame and girl groups in Korean market. For some here telling us that only BTS is relevant in the west or internationally ,no one is saying that any 4th gen acts are bigger or comes closer to BTS. It took BTS 3-4 years to cement their mark in international market so to dismiss anyone right now is unfair. No one really knows who can have the same level of success or at least get half of it. That’s even more than enough. But to think that only those groups that got to chart in Korea has a chance to make it big in international market think too highly of Korean taste or perhaps your way of thinking is too outdated. We’re getting global now , no one country dictates what’s good or not. They are not the standard. They simply sell/ offer products to consume but we don’t need to follow their taste.
The path to success is not set on stone. You can get it in different ways. No one tells you that you need to be relevant first in your own country to gain international stardom or some relevance. There are some artists that were ignored in their own country but get some international recognition. So whether you were relevant first outside Korea or in Korea are not important because both are relevant. Both gives bread & butter on the table.
But if I were to choose, I’ll have international success first ---because it gives them more stability and they will eventually be known in Korea out of pride. Besides, it’s everyone’s dream to be number 1 in BB in US or even in Japan. It feels good to be loved by many people globally. Just my two cents .. no need to discredit any acts’ success simply because there are differences on their path to success.
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And a lot of that money goes to their agency/international concert handlers. IU can clear 8-10 million in a year in personal profit (not agency's cut), no one from 17 is making 8-10 million lol.
IU was higher paid than TVXQ even in their touring prime too, if you trust Forbes korea's annual celebrity estimates.
U do know that IU is one act, right? And she is also an actress . i dont even know that she is a singer until last yr. I know her as an actress first. Perhaps, it probably boosts her marketability .
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Yet domestically popular soloists can keep doing so for a long time.
Look at Cho Young Pil, he stopped even TV, yet sells out decent sized venues till he was 63..
So will LYW etc. Whereas groups even domestically have maybe 10 years, and if they are only famous internationally, then it is that one shot that has to support them throughout their lives.
At least if it were English language acts, then it would matter less.
But k-pop, if not both, then better massive domestic popularity.
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solo acts are different. Their market is really Korea . I think it will be good to check bg or gg since those acts are the ones being sold usually globally.
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Both are important and relevant. Girl groups tend to focus locally or to chart in K-platform because that is their strength . They rely heavily on Korean GP. It gives them endorsements and CFs and if they are lucky a chance to be known in some international market too especially those countries that love K-pop. If they are stable ( still relevant after 5 years) in Korean market , then it gives them some advantage .
For boy groups ---they are more fan-based. It’s been a while since a boy group entered top 10 in melon chart except BTS ( if I am not mistaken) after the reform and it is yet to be accomplished by any 4thgen boy group acts. The boy group’s marketability outside Korea is a well-known fact in the industry that’s why their music is heavily focus to please international market’s taste than Korean GP. International market is not just the West – there are several countries in Asia that are also part of top 10 biggest music industry ,for example Japan, China. Then, other SEA countries with a good number of population that can help boost your YT views and Spotify streams. They can also buy a lot of albums or merchandise and if touring starts again, concerts. It can also bring them some advertisement deals outside Korea. You do know that CFs and advertisements outside Korea are also profitable. It also promotes Korean culture and their other products . It helps boost Korean economy too. And if you get to chart in BB, and other relevant charts in Europe even i f it’s just top album sales , it even becomes more relevant. Your marketability increases outside Korea.
If they were able to build a strong and loyal/dedicated fan-base, boy groups career will be more stable . It can give then an average of 7-10 years of dedicated support if they play it right while GP in Korea usually favors different groups in lesser time. It will probably change after 2 – 3 years unless they explore other areas — ie, acting .
Also, I think k-pop industry changed a lot in the last couple of years. With BTS and Blackpink’s success internationally, it changed how big 4 markets their acts. Boy groups after international fame and girl groups in Korean market. For some here telling us that only BTS is relevant in the west or internationally ,no one is saying that any 4th gen acts are bigger or comes closer to BTS. It took BTS 3-4 years to cement their mark in international market so to dismiss anyone right now is unfair. No one really knows who can have the same level of success or at least get half of it. That’s even more than enough. But to think that only those groups that got to chart in Korea has a chance to make it big in international market think too highly of Korean taste or perhaps your way of thinking is too outdated. We’re getting global now , no one country dictates what’s good or not. They are not the standard. They simply sell/ offer products to consume but we don’t need to follow their taste.
The path to success is not set on stone. You can get it in different ways. No one tells you that you need to be relevant first in your own country to gain international stardom or some relevance. There are some artists that were ignored in their own country but get some international recognition. So whether you were relevant first outside Korea or in Korea are not important because both are relevant. Both gives bread & butter on the table.
But if I were to choose, I’ll have international success first ---because it gives them more stability and they will eventually be known in Korea out of pride. Besides, it’s everyone’s dream to be number 1 in BB in US or even in Japan. It feels good to be loved by many people globally. Just my two cents .. no need to discredit any acts’ success simply because there are differences on their path to success.
No one's looking down at them but let's just talk about 4th gen boy group but hopefully they can reach BTS 's 2017 success.
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