Another controversial take by Teshub

    At a certain point when achievements are no longer significantly attributed to the merits of a present work, but rather due to biased supporters/benefactors who use their power in numbers or influence, then it ceases to be an actual "achievement". Especially in comparison to others who only have their merit of work to rely on. It would be more correct to call it a gift.

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    Another question: what makes achievements reached with the support of fans or loyal people less valuable? Doesn‘t it indicate that the quality or merit of the work is so satisfying for a lot of people that they turn into loyal fans or want to invest money/ free time into it? Fans are just more likely to spend more time on one dedicated artist or a few artist. As long as it is legal and through legal means, I don’t see such achievements less valuable than that of someone who achieved it without a loyal fanbase. Both of them are achieving it due to their merits and the idea of only reaching something through ”hardwork“ is an illusion in the music industry. People

    can only be successful by people listening to them whether it is a fan or a lot of one time/radio listeners (also seen as the “GP“). Fans are in the GP

  • AllKill VIP

    There's an aspect of this that I can agree with.


    I think there does come a point as the status of any given thing rises, where you start to "attract" attention and adulation based largely on reputation and exposure, rather than you actions in isolation.


    Many things become "institutions" in of themselves, where there is a level of self perpetuation and reinforcement.


    You're lauded because you were lauded previously. And it has a tendency to perpetuate, unless one stumbles precipitously on content, and even then there is often a lag period before sentiment falls. It has a tendency to want to continue once you reach a certain critical mass.

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    You're lauded because you were lauded previously. And it has a tendency to perpetuate, unless one stumbles precipitously on content, and even then there is often a lag period before sentiment falls. It has a tendency to want to continue once you reach a certain critical mass.

    Is this the music version of Newton's First Law? "A group that has success will continue to have success, unless acted on by an outside force against it"???

  • AllKill VIP

    Whilst I do understand the point you are trying to make and I don't agree with it,

    I do agree with the fact that it is easier with a well established group with a huge fandom.


    But if a song is shit, it's gonna be shit no matter who puts it out.

    Then again, they didn't get to the top (whatever top group anyone thinks of) by putting out shit songs.

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