Of course K-Pop derivative but it doesn't pretend it's not (though some fandoms are pro at it). Ultimately all popular music comes from black music. Pop, rock, probably several other genres. The whitest pop music in existence still has black parentage.
He says himself that many black writers and producers are heavily involved in K-Pop. And the stuff about a black group not doing as well in Korea, well yeah but he answers his own question there as well.
I think he got most of his info from twitter threads. Not sure how much he knows about this if he's telling people it's fine to still support 2NE1 
Of course K-Pop derivative but it doesn't pretend it's not (though some fandoms are pro at it). Ultimately all popular music comes from black music. Pop, rock, probably several other genres. The whitest pop music in existence still has black parentage.
He says himself that many black writers and producers are heavily involved in K-Pop. And the stuff about a black group not doing as well in Korea, well yeah but he answers his own question there as well.
I think he got most of his info from twitter threads. Not sure how much he knows about this if he's telling people it's fine to still support 2NE1
Damn must feel good to be a gangster
"Looking at music with the lens of cultural appropriation is a slippery slope. Implying appropriation clouds the very real reality of artistry and inspiration."
I think it's hard not to be inspired by black music directly or indirectly because of all the chi that flows through it. I also can't ignore how K-Pop reached certain levels of international success after it started incorporating various elements of black music either. I know K-Poppers exist who don't like the artists, groups, and songs inspired by R&B and Hip-Hop because it reminds them of blackness, but they aren't my focus.
For those K-artists and groups who have creative control or input; honor, respect, and acknowledge where you are getting your inspiration from. Some do. When it's pushed from the higher levels of an agency, management usually doesn't care and could care less. That's their karma to reap though. You can't keep taking from others without incurring high levels of karmic debt. That's serving yourself at the expense of others; it always come back on you when you least expect it.
wow, this dude's channel is so interesting, i just subscribed
Replace the word "kpop" with "the entire music industry" and it's even more true!
Off topic but your pfp look GORGEOUS
"Looking at music with the lens of cultural appropriation is a slippery slope. Implying appropriation clouds the very real reality of artistry and inspiration."
I think it's hard not to be inspired by black music directly or indirectly because of all the chi that flows through it. I also can't ignore how K-Pop reached certain levels of international success after it started incorporating various elements of black music either. I know K-Poppers exist who don't like the artists, groups, and songs inspired by R&B and Hip-Hop because it reminds them of blackness, but they aren't my focus.
For those K-artists and groups who have creative control or input; honor, respect, and acknowledge where you are getting your inspiration from. Some do. When it's pushed from the higher levels of an agency, management usually doesn't care and could care less. That's their karma to reap though. You can't keep taking from others without incurring high levels of karmic debt. That's serving yourself at the expense of others; it always come back on you when you least expect it.
What's the saying?
"Everybody wants to be black but don't nobody want to BE black".
This narrative fits for the majority of the music industry too. No point just bringing in only K-pop in this discussion since it’s a whole lot wider than that.
The majority of music today is heavily influenced by black music, and to be honest, it will probably carry on being influenced in that manner.
This narrative fits for the majority of the music industry too. No point just bringing in only K-pop in this discussion since it’s a whole lot wider than that.
Nevertheless, they’re preaching.
at least with white and Jew people they helped package, produce, and market black music. Koreans took it without contributing back to the black community
at least with white and Jew people they helped package, produce, and market black music. Koreans took it without contributing back to the black community
I agree - it’s a valid point. It must suck to not receive proper acknowledgment or not be able to benefit from something that was originally your creation.
True. But it's more evident in kpop than anywhere else.
When I first got into kpop I assumed the Korean public were the biggest hip hop fans in the world because of all these popular groups who sounded, acted, and made music that was 100% hip hop and rnb. I later discovered that wasn't the case. They were fans of that type of music just as long as black people weren't the ones doing it.
See above.
Eh, what about non Asians exploiting Asian culture without the burden of being Asian?
at least with white and Jew people they helped package, produce, and market black music. Koreans took it without contributing back to the black community
Unfortuately, I don't think American history is "free and clear" of evidence of exploiting black music domestically, but in a different kind of way, since the 1900's.
interesting
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