New kpop fans can be obnoxious

I'm not gonna deny that BTS helped kpop get bigger in the west, but if anybody even dares talk shit about older kpop groups..... :pepe-cute: :pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute::pepe-cute:

bro i was with you until you brought up bp and bts lmao

so can older kpop fans apparently...

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Then the real kpop fans can take back what is rightfully ours

lmfaooo this is kpop. it's not that deep

You might be onto something with the 75% bit. I'm definitely gone from kpop when bp disbands

I'll be honest as hell and say that Kpop is not as big as some of y'all think it is in America

Lol chill bruh

You sound bitter.

I'm sorry for you I guess

Also kpop is definitely on its way to become a sub-culture, not only in the US but elsewhere. Kinda what the manga/anime culture was in the 90's.

Don't live in the past. Move on.

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I'll be honest as hell and say that Kpop is not as big as some of y'all think it is in America

80% of music consumption in the states is through streaming & like last year bts pulled 1.6B audio streams while bp less then 400M

I think twice is 3rd with 200M ish

But kpop consumption is growing rapidly so this year bts might do 2.5B while BP 750M & twice 350M

Reality is those 3 groups are the only groups Americans are actually checking out

U have Nct tho that sell physically but very low streams

i disagree lol

yeah there are other markets than america/the west like japan, china, sea that artists can be successful in but that doesn't take away the impact of america/the west on kpop, and bts and blackpink's part in opening that up

but your last paragraph has me thinking

we all know the kpop market is oversaturated

so what happens when bts and blackpink aren't there in 5+ years to bring in new fans from the west?

what happens to all these groups whose whole gimmick is targeting the west?

the western market allows groups like ateez and stray kids to be relatively popular and successful even if they're still nugu in sk

cause tbh there's only so many groups that sk/japan/china/sea can support on their own

especially since multis aren't really a thing in sk

so will all these groups end up disbanding and their companies going bankrupt?

idk you may hate bts and blackpink, but without them there would be far less groups now, and there'll probably be far less groups in the future after they eventually disband.

i bet it'll go back to just big 3 groups, with everyone else remaining nugu or simply not existing.

also, won't you be like retired or some shit? it's laughable that you think 2nd gen fans will still be here in 7+ years. everyone's disbanded faves will probably be retired from the entertainment industry by then tbh.

Quote from tornpet

I'll be honest as hell and say that Kpop is not as big as some of y'all think it is in America

Agreed, it's really not lmao even if they've heard some K-pop, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that 85% still view it negatively. If not more.

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I guess I'm one of the few that thinks fewer groups is a good thing.

The oversaturation will kill the industry. Not the disbandment of BTS and Blackpink.

bts and blackpink were the ones that opened up kpop to the west, allowing for this oversaturation.

without them bringing in new fans, the oversaturation will become an issue because there'll be more groups than just asian fans can support.

if you want to argue that it's direct or indirect, it doesn't matter. bts and blackpink's disbandment will harm the industry significantly.

if you're a person who views fewer groups as good and thinks that the mass disbanding of groups and bankruptcy of companies is a "necessary evil", then feel free to view it as bts and blackpink helping the industry once again, even though their disbandment.

either way, bts and blackpink's disbandment will significantly impact the kpop industry.

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Streaming is the only reason kpop has the small market it has in the US.

Imagine if CDs were still the only way to listen to music. Do you think any kpop group would be selling a billion albums in the States?

Streaming is also more accurate consumption tho

Cds show fandom power while streams show genuine interest in the music those artists put out

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bts and blackpink were the ones that opened up kpop to the west, allowing for this oversaturation.

without them bringing in new fans, the oversaturation will become an issue because there'll be more groups than just asian fans can support.

if you want to argue that it's direct or indirect, it doesn't matter. bts and blackpink's disbandment will harm the industry significantly.

if you're a person who views fewer groups as good and thinks that the mass disbanding of groups and bankruptcy of companies is a "necessary evil", then feel free to view it as bts and blackpink helping the industry once again, even though their disbandment.

either way, bts and blackpink's disbandment will significantly impact the kpop industry.

Yeah bts & bp bring crazy amount of potential kpop listeners every year & even tho army/blink still consume & buy their bias stuff, we still end up checking out what kpop has to offer

So yeah I agree their disbandment will hurt the industry big time