Your faves are probably not queer or neurodivergent

    Yes, I know that there are some queer kpop artists.

    And some neurodivergent ones.


    But sometimes people make assumptions on some kpop artists like "he is probably gay" or "he is probably autistic".



    Well... as far as I know, there isn't any "openly" autistic kpop artist (unless you consider James from Dear Alice a kpop artist)


    I remember though, when I used to see some fans say about some kpop artists "he is probably autistic" and being so naïve back then that I believed them.

    I have still seen some people say that about one kpop artist because of him adding emojis instead of words in the caption of his Instagram posts and other stuff. (he is probably not)



    I don't know if this thing also happens in kpop, but I have heard of fans asking some celebrities to get out of the closet, which can be a bad thing both if the celebrity is straight or queer.


    And then there are also some shippers, who think two of their faves of same gender are dating, which can ruin their relationship if the two are only good friends.



    Okay, I don't know if this thread makes me sound as if I'm trying to say that we should assume that all kpop artists are straight and neurotypical.



    Well... perhaps it is okay to assume that kinds of stuff, but just don't go around telling your faves to "get out of the closet" or anything like that.



    I ended up rambling and maybe not making much sense....

  • AllKill VIP

    and why do we not stop just thinking that artist are queer or straight ??


    if James didn't say that he was autistic i would have never believe it


    if Ningning didn't say that she has ADHD i wouldn't know


    if Dexter didn't have a CGM sensor on his arm i wouldn't know diabete


    can we just stop assuming that idols are either autistic or not, or queer or straight ? we don't live with them and idols are great at pretending that everything is fine


    so i don't see the point in making a rant about saying that idols aren't probably queer or neurodivergent

    and it apply to the other situations too when we don't know them personally

    I do agree that fans tend to take these things too far. I usually see:

    1) Girls/Women who insist their idols are "gay" because they don't like the idea of their idols actually being with "another woman" (result of parasocial relationships).

    2) People who feel that their sexuality/neurodivergency is underrepresented (which is fair to feel that way, but...) so they start trying to create their own representation through these idols by nitpicking behaviors, what they say/do, etc and try to claim it's because of their sexuality or a disability.


    Basically it's just fans going on and on about things that aren't really their business and treating idols like characters they can make headcanons about.

    Quote from kahei

    I do agree that fans tend to take these things too far. I usually see:

    1) Girls/Women who insist their idols are "gay" because they don't like the idea of their idols actually being with "another woman" (result of parasocial relationships).

    2) People who feel that their sexuality/neurodivergency is underrepresented (which is fair to feel that way, but...) so they start trying to create their own representation through these idols by nitpicking behaviors, what they say/do, etc and try to claim it's because of their sexuality or a disability.


    Basically it's just fans going on and on about things that aren't really their business and treating idols like characters they can make headcanons about.

    To be honest, I think most of the time It's neither option 1 or 2, but most likely Feitishism and/or being too much into M+M/F+F dynamics. If you see the people who claim some idols are queer or there are queer couples in a group are also people who read/write/watch Yaoi/Yuri fanfics/books/bl across multiple fandoms and also ship even animated/book/movie characters.

    Quote from Minazuki

    To be honest, I think most of the time It's neither option 1 or 2, but most likely Feitishism and/or being too much into M+M/F+F dynamics. If you see the people who claim some idols are queer or there are queer couples in a group are also people who read/write/watch Yaoi/Yuri fanfics/books/bl across multiple fandoms and also ship even animated/book/movie characters.

    I think that's also fair. Fetishization of both LGBT relationships and Asian people.

    Quote from Minazuki

    When Ningning said she has ADHD and lost the eyelight in one eye I felt represented cause that's literally me, even though she isn't my idol :emotionalpepe:

    When I found out about James being autistic, I felt represented too


    Quote from kahei

    I do agree that fans tend to take these things too far. I usually see:

    1) Girls/Women who insist their idols are "gay" because they don't like the idea of their idols actually being with "another woman" (result of parasocial relationships).

    2) People who feel that their sexuality/neurodivergency is underrepresented (which is fair to feel that way, but...) so they start trying to create their own representation through these idols by nitpicking behaviors, what they say/do, etc and try to claim it's because of their sexuality or a disability.


    Basically it's just fans going on and on about things that aren't really their business and treating idols like characters they can make headcanons about.

    Suddenly thinking about when someone said about a kpop artist that he is "autistic-coded", which I think is a strange thing to say about a real person.

    This is true, kpop artists also are usually told to act certain ways when in public cuz that's what fans like. All in all unless they confirm something themselves don't assume. Sunmi rainbow flag controversy anybody

  • AllKill VIP

    All My faves are gay 'cause M+M are hot. /sasrcasm


    in all seriousness I love seeing idols who do things for mental health. It's something that Korea fails at and really should have more awareness about.


    And people coming on this thread and throwing a hissy fit because you wanted to say your feelings is trash behavior.

    I'm going to be pedantic for a moment and state that there is data to suggest that both queer and neurodivergent people are statistically overrepresented in entertainment, but whether or not it is enough to offset the "probably" is unclear and unlikely.


    This data aligns with what I would personally expect anyway. As an autistic person myself, performing is something that has always come naturally to me since I feel like I am always performing to a degree, and it was fun and easier to perform without worrying about whether it felt "true to myself".

    I think it's fine if people relate to specific artists, and speculating in private is probably mostly harmless. But yeah, making a definitive assumption can be problematic.

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