Rebel Heart is still the biggest hit for 2025 so far but it feels like otherwise...

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Rebel Heart is not a big hit when you look at Melon ULs, circle chart digital points, Spotify streams. Don't even think it's bigger than Heya

Where the stats?

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They will say IVE does not have international impact despite having a hugely successful world tour

Which I attended and I can tell you they were fking amazing their vocals were extraordinary

Can't say the same for some other groups who were criticized widely on various sites for lipsyncing half of their concert

Good for you. Aespa was rightfully criticised(except on Reddit where they posted about this issue twice a day for a month) for lypsinging half of their concert. And they sang whole encore concerts live. I hope they go on that route.

As for their charting Rebel Heart doesn’t feel really big, and everybody can confirm that. Even in Korea it didn’t stay on top for long, nor did its ULs were impressive, that’s just objective facts, so no need to get heated over that. Is it a hit? Yes. Is it a mega hit? No.

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Good for you. Aespa was rightfully criticised(except on Reddit where they posted about this issue twice a day for a month) for lypsinging half of their concert. And they sang whole encore concerts live. I hope they go on that route.

As for their charting Rebel Heart doesn’t feel really big, and everybody can confirm that. Even in Korea it didn’t stay on top for long, nor did its ULs were impressive, that’s just objective facts, so no need to get heated over that. Is it a hit? Yes. Is it a mega hit? No.

Yeah it is flopping. Nugudom and disbandment incoming.

Y'all should stream to save IVE from disbandment

Well we're not in South Korea. I Am was big among kpop fans in general and had strong international numbers as well, not just domestic.

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Yeah it is flopping. Nugudom and disbandment incoming.

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I agree and disagree

We're not in SK but it doesn't mean that as kpop fans we didn't feel the impact and success of big hits in korea like Supernova, Whiplash, Love dive, I am, Super Shy etc.....

the thing of " We're not in a certain country so we don't get the hold the song have in this country" is for me a weak argument nowadays considering the development of social media

With social media now something successfull in one country isn't limited to this country only and can be felt outside of the border of this country

and the opposite effect also work, the international success of something from this country can impact the success of this thing in the country

example with Fifty Fifty song who was popular internationally but not in korea, when the song start to get steam overseas, it helped the song become more successfull in korea

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Literally all the songs you mention also have very strong international numbers. Super Shy is one of the most successful GG songs on international platforms ever. These were not just domestic hits.

Btw I wasn't trying to make an argument for Rebel Heart being one of IVE's biggest hits or something, I was just making the point that it's not surprising kpop fans in international spaces don't hear as much about a song that didn't do any numbers internationally. Regardless of social media, at the end of the day people actually living in SK will always know better how big something is in SK, but I see your point.

Some fans of Big4 groups are working hard to display IVE achievements as usual. You all invented a fake falling from grace narrative for them in 2024 and now that you have been proven wrong, you are ready to die on that Hill.

Isn't 'Home Sweet Home' the best-performing song of the year so far?

I should be the only one allowed to speak on IVE like this, since I'm at least fair and objective.

I defended IVE better than the resident Dives all last year.

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Some fans of Big4 groups are working hard to display IVE achievements as usual. You all invented a fake falling from grace narrative for them in 2024 and now that you have been proven wrong, you are ready to die on that Hill.

You don't have to end those SM stans Big 4 stans like that my queen