Please save your fake pity towards BABYMONSTER for someone else

  • I'll admit I'm stealing this post off reddit but this conveys my feelings regarding the topic and people need to know the TRUTH:


    As a disclaimer, everyone is entitled to their own musical preferences. If you don't like BabyMonster songs, that's totally fine with me. If you don't like their dancing or vocals, no problem. If you think their concept is outdated and not interesting, you're allowed to have that opinion. But I really don't get the sentiments like "poor girls, they are so talented but are stuck with YGE" and similar notions that portray them almost like hostages, forced to do things they don't want to. Because it clearly shows that people saying those things have never followed the members.


    Chiquita and Pharita had been huge Lisa and Blackpink fans since they were young, before they auditioned to become trainees at YGE. Ahyeon was a trainee at JYPE before deciding to join YGE, and her favorite artist of all time is GD. Ruka was a hip-hop dancer and also a massive 2NE1 fan, Asa got her sight on YGE because she really liked 'Playing with fire' etc.


    The girls themselves have always loved the YGE sound and style, it's not a situation where they have to do the concepts they dislike because of the company. Even in their pre-debut content, from when they were middle school age, they were pretty open about their passion for being on stage, when asked about their goals the answers were mostly about festivals and world tours. Chiquita was mocked because of her mentioning Coachella, there were multiple viral tweets about 'win a music show first' etc. But the members are very proud of their live performing skills and are excited to show that whenever they have an opportunity to do so. And honestly they always look like they are having a blast when they can go loose a bit at their concerts.


    Among 5th gen girl groups BabyMonster have most albums sold, most Spotify streams, and their ability to sell tickets is extremely far ahead of their peers'. They are performing at KSPO Dome for two nights as rookies. It's the same venue that Twice, IVE, (G)I-dle used for their most recent domestic concerts. In fact no girl groups except for Blackpink have ever booked a venue bigger than KSPO Dome in Korea. They have already announced 11 dates in Japan, all arenas with 10K+ capacity (they sold our arenas in Japan for their fanmeetings last summer as well). I'm sure their SEA leg will also feature sizeable venues. And they are already coming to the US to tour (all details haven't been announced yet). BabyMonster had their proper debut as 7 only eight months ago, yet they can rival some popular 4th gen girl groups in touring.


    By all accounts they are already very successful and on track to have a great career, more importantly the girls get to achieve the goals they've always dreamed about, yet people talk like they are in a some sort of awful situation and their talents are completely wasted. I swear next year they'll be holding an encore show at Tokyo Dome and K-pop fans will still be pulling out stuff like "if only they weren't stuck with a girl crush concept in YGE".


    You don't have to like them, but the fake pity is getting a tad annoying not gonna lie.


    Monstiez Taglist I really think is a great post/comment that other BM stans can appreciate.

  • Uhm, agree about the fake concern. While I do think YGE gave them a pretty weak debut single (imo batter up would be a great bside in their debut album) and while Sheesh is their most successful song I still don't think it was a super great tt (I listen both songs.....) bc as I said countless times, in my mind they don't really match this concept as BP did with their gc sound or 2ne1 with theirs. Forever and Drip is way better for them, it fits them super well.

    So yge tried to give them an outdated sound like I think Lalisa was to Lisa and it didn't get super good responses compared to their seniors on debut.. this is something that even baemon fans aren't accepting that well and even some are joining this "they shouldn't have debut in yge" when in reality yge just isn't the same YGE anymore.. not after BS so if yge survives more years maybe they'll get their reputation back, but as of now no new yge group will be as popular right on debut like they were in their glory days.

    About their tour numbers.. we have to wait to see if they sell out their venues first, but booking arenas isn't something so out of mind for a gg that sells well and seems to have a pretty decent fb. Who knows? They can become a good touring group.

  • I don't pity them. I just want better music. YG bragged about the literal dozens of producers he brought in to create music for BM, and I'm ready for them to release a true timeless bop. So far, while BM has some songs I like, they don't have any that I love, which is very much a disappointment for me as an OG Blackjack and casual fan of BLACKPINK.


    They're a big company group at the end of the day. As I told you before, I've stanned truly nugu groups who would kill to be in BM's position, who neither want or need the pity.


    What I will acknowledge is that they're easily the most talent rich group that has debuted in a long time, and I just hope YG doesn't squander that on midling songs.

  • Uhm, agree about the fake concern. While I do think YGE gave them a pretty weak debut single (imo batter up would be a great bside in their debut album) and while Sheesh is their most successful song I still don't think it was a super great tt (I listen both songs.....) bc as I said countless times, in my mind they don't really match this concept as BP did with their gc sound or 2ne1 with theirs. Forever and Drip is way better for them, it fits them super well.

    So yge tried to give them an outdated sound like I think Lalisa was to Lisa and it didn't get super good responses compared to their seniors on debut.. this is something that even baemon fans aren't accepting that well and even some are joining this "they shouldn't have debut in yge" when in reality yge just isn't the same YGE anymore.. not after BS so if yge survives more years maybe they'll get their reputation back, but as of now no new yge group will be as popular right on debut like they were in their glory days.

    About their tour numbers.. we have to wait to see if they sell out their venues first, but booking arenas isn't something so out of mind for a gg that sells well and seems to have a pretty decent fb. Who knows? They can become a good touring group.

    Girl, hit enter :meme-disappointed:

  • Uhm, agree about the fake concern. While I do think YGE gave them a pretty weak debut single (imo batter up would be a great bside in their debut album) and while Sheesh is their most successful song I still don't think it was a super great tt (I listen both songs.....) bc as I said countless times, in my mind they don't really match this concept as BP did with their gc sound or 2ne1 with theirs. Forever and Drip is way better for them, it fits them super well.

    So yge tried to give them an outdated sound like I think Lalisa was to Lisa and it didn't get super good responses compared to their seniors on debut.. this is something that even baemon fans aren't accepting that well and even some are joining this "they shouldn't have debut in yge" when in reality yge just isn't the same YGE anymore.. not after BS so if yge survives more years maybe they'll get their reputation back, but as of now no new yge group will be as popular right on debut like they were in their glory days.

    About their tour numbers.. we have to wait to see if they sell out their venues first, but booking arenas isn't something so out of mind for a gg that sells well and seems to have a pretty decent fb. Who knows? They can become a good touring group.

    I agree that YGE has definitely not been completely perfect with the way they've handled BABYMONSTER, especially in their debut(s) but I think the overall sentiment of what I posted stands true. The girls are not being wasted, they are not being held hostage. They love being members of BABYMONSTER, they love performing, and they even love the music they do (Ahyeon even said Clik Clak is her favorite song).


    So people can feign concern for them as much as they want but the reality is the girls are living out their dreams and getting to perform music they love in front of their thousands of fans, and that seems to be enough for them.


    And if they manage to sellout on their tours, I will be making COMPELLING arguments for them being a top 5 gg.

  • I agree that YGE has definitely not been completely perfect with the way they've handled BABYMONSTER, especially in their debut(s) but I think the overall sentiment of what I posted stands true. The girls are not being wasted, they are not being held hostage. They love being members of BABYMONSTER, they love performing, and they even love the music they do (Ahyeon even said Clik Clak is her favorite song).


    So people can feign concern for them as much as they want but the reality is the girls are living out their dreams and getting to perform music they love in front of their thousands of fans, and that seems to be enough for them.


    And if they manage to sellout on their tours, I will be making COMPELLING arguments for them being a top 5 gg.

    Actually yes, they seem to really enjoy being in baemon and they enjoy their music ( :meme-side-eye: ) so fans should either accept they won't chart as well as BP, 2ne1 or BB and just enjoy them like they enjoy themselves!

    If they are happy with their upcoming tour then who is there to complain? I love when BP toured... Imagine getting mad about having content to watch :meme-disappointed:

  • Who are you knocking out? Give us a preview.

    I think the agreed upon top 5 (active) is:


    1. NewJeans

    2. IVE

    3. Aespa

    4. Idle

    5. LSF


    Now since NJs is officially unofficially disbanded, they are knocked out of the list as they are not active (sorry) and opening up a spot for BABYMONSTER. And LSF ain't looking too hot these days. It may not be super compelling yet but BABYMONSTER is creeping in, they just need to do better domestically.

  • I knew you'd say that.


    Rejected ;judgingpepe:


    When BM can chart songs higher than NewJeans' 2 year old title tracks, then I'll be open to that.


    Better start from the bottom of the list :memoji-cat-scare:

  • That's fair, BM isn't ready to face the behemoth that is NJS. Anyways it's still too early but I do think BM could be considered a top 5 group by the end of 2025. I'm aware the kpop community will not acknowledge that unless they manage a big hit domestically, so we'll see. They could edge out LSF.

    I like them but its hard to fully become their stan when the amount of variety/reality show content they release is basically nonexistent

    I really wish they had their own variety show but they appeared on quite a few variety shows/interviews/radio shows/etc this comeback and for Sheesh, here are just a few off the dome:


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    but they have MANY more appearances, I'm still catching up on some.

  • Don't listen to thefraudguy. I know he hasn't watched all the translated NewJeans Phoning lives.


    I planned on making a praise thread for Babymonster actually and still might, and I actually really enjoyed their latest album. I just want more for them and from them.


    As a YG girl group, I set the bar high for them only because I think they can reach it with the right songs.

  • Don't listen to thefraudguy. I know he hasn't watched all the translated NewJeans Phoning lives.


    I planned on making a praise thread for Babymonster actually and still might, and I actually really enjoyed their latest album. I just want more for them and from them.


    As a YG girl group, I set the bar high for them only because I think they can reach it with the right songs.

    Yea I'll always agree that YGE did them 0 favors with Batter Up and Sheesh, even if Sheesh did chart well. But I think Drip is making up for it. Great variety of songs and it showcases all of their strengths from rapping to vocals.


    I recall you saying you stan a group in each generation so you may have to make a choice eventually ;judgingpepe:


    Unless you're planning to just stan NewJeans across 2 generations lol

  • Yea I'll always agree that YGE did them 0 favors with Batter Up and Sheesh, even if Sheesh did chart well. But I think Drip is making up for it. Great variety of songs and it showcases all of their strengths from rapping to vocals.


    I recall you saying you stan a group in each generation so you may have to make a choice eventually ;judgingpepe:


    Unless you're planning to just stan NewJeans across 2 generations lol

    Hey I rock with Clik Clak all the time. Even as I type this message. I'm rooting for BM to be the force of nature I expected them to be before they swung and missed with their DEBUT single Batter Up.


    But sorry, with the way things are playing out, I'll be stanning NewJeans 2.0 in 5th Gen :meme-trying-not-to-laugh:

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