Russia says 40 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid; Islamic State group claims responsibility

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just as an FYI, check the latest VETO against peace in Palestine and who was behind it.

FYI, first check the actual wording of the "peace proposal". It is deliberately convoluted and has no calls for immediate ceasefire, meaning that it is essentially useless and would simply function as a legal shield for Israel which could say that the "conditions" were not met, then continue indiscriminate bombing. The US has previously vetoed a resolution that called for an immediate ceasefire, so we know clearly where they actually stand on this issue and that this weak wording was just a damage control attempt while still trying to give their trigger-happy buddy as much leeway as possible.

However, this stuff should not be discussed in this topic in the first place, so back to the issue at hand - I strongly suspect that the guys Russians have caught are not the actual terrorists. Three main points:

1) We still have no footage with their faces from the numerous CCTV cameras inside the Crocus and all the "first person" videos supposedly released by ISIS is with blurred faces. Judging strictly from their physique, the actual terrorists seem to be bigger and clearly have an extensive military training - you can see that from the way they move with weapons. So the current version of these random Tadjik guys being recruited on Telegram for 500k rubles - that's around 5k USD btw, it is a decent amount of money in Russia but not THAT big to agree to a basically suicide mission - sounds like total bs. More to that point - it is highly improbable that such a merc with zero experiences would be able to just shoot at people point-blank in cold blood like we saw in the footages.

2) Note that all of them have families with kids, so I have a strong suspicion that their families were threatened by the organizers to force them to act as decoys for the actual terrorists.

3) Planning of the terrorist attack was very detailed - terrorists knew the building plan and threw explosives to block out the escape routes. But for some reason there was a glaring gap in their plan that they did not notice - they "escaped" on the same car they arrived without even attempting to change it mid-way, just speeding straight to the Russia-Ukraine border which is bound to have a sizeable military & police presence due to war while knowing that their car is plastered everywhere... makes zero sense.

TL;DR: I don't believe the actual terrorists were caught, so I have two scenarios in mind. If it was an inside job, then I expect no more terror attacks with Russia "uncovering" more & more links to Ukraine in the coming weeks (or even days) to justify a massive mobilization and escalation. If it was an actual terror attack, then I suspect that there will be more in a few weeks with the same guys.

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Keep in mind ISIS mostly attacked Muslim majority countries and never Israel. Makes no sense for Islamic groups to attack Russia, which is siding with Palestine, unless they are secretly with Israel and want Russians to no longer support Palestinians

? Um... the Palestinian cause isnt a religious one. ISIS is not... linked to Palestine. Why would they care? People have long said that ISIS is a cult with their own motivations and sick desires that they impose by carrying out these atrocities

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Keep in mind ISIS mostly attacked Muslim majority countries and never Israel. Makes no sense for Islamic groups to attack Russia, which is siding with Palestine, unless they are secretly with Israel and want Russians to no longer support Palestinians

The fact that you think ISIS even gives a rat's ass about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is hilariously ignorant. They don't fight on behalf of Muslims, they exist entirely for their own sake and care about no one else. Now you've cooked up some hairbrained conspiracy theory based on nothing but your own hatred of Israel that you're pinning on ISIS. You think those terrorists care about you? They do not. They'd do the same to you, no matter how many times you pray to Allah.

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It wasn’t an immediate cease fire, which is what Russia and China are supporting. The US resolution basically gave Israel carte blanche to do whatever they want with Palestinians until Hamas returns the hostages.

https://amp.theguardian.com/wo…fire-resolution-explainer

And they don't already have carte blanche to do whatever they want? Who is stopping them exactly?

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Russia has used and fought against Islamic terrorists, as did the USA. But the timing is off because it is Israel that is committing atrocities against the Palestinian people now. Why would Islamic terror networks waste time and energy against Russian people instead of Israel and their proxies or siding with Hamas, PLO and Hezbollah. So this does not appear an act of religious ideology so much as Islamic mercenaries hired by others, as one of the detained suspects said. But this act only benefits Israel because Israel is always pushing the narrative that Muslims are terrorists.

https://english.almayadeen.net…oscow-s-concert-venue-for

Ahh yes, Islamic mercenaries hired by others. That makes so much sense. Because ISIS are totally known for being guns-for-hire and not in it for themselves. It's like you've completely ignored their entire existence up until now and found out about them just yesterday.

Israel is always pushing the narrative that Muslims are terrorists? Well maybe if there weren't always so many Muslim terrorists proving them right, they wouldn't be able to do that. Ya think?

Not that any of this really matters, since it's all a false flag committed by Russians anyway. Either that or Russia has a bit of a zombie issue.

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You think those terrorists care about you? They do not. They'd do the same to you, no matter how many times you pray to Allah.

This is a huge FACT and this reality check needs to be given to what we call in the military " useful idiots" those are the people who decry xyz on social media and know zero about the history or the conflicts in the middle east. A brief history for those here. The land of Judea that's the real original name of Palestine. The name was changed when the Romans conquered Israel thousands of years ago. Also Jews etc still lived there for countless generations and the land itself was barely inhibited by people. There's no stolen land or occupation, if you want to cry about occupiers then rightfully all non Jewish people should leave that land. It historically and ancestrally belongs to Israel. You have thousands of years of history culture books, artifacts religious figures and books and entire damn cities that are Israeli including the old biblical city of Jerusalem but i digress.

Isis,hamas, Taliban etc all all terrorist organizations and don't give a fuck about you or anyone else and will kill you all the same. Soo carrying a isis flag and chanting from the river to the sea makes you a genocidal supporting idiot, literally waving flags with the face of a Hamas leader on it that has killed people from your own western countries, lol people that are literally responsible for things like 9/11🤡🤡

Goto school read a book learn history.

ISIS = MOSAD and was made by both the US and izrael.

Double post

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ISIS = MOSAD and was made by both the US and izrael.