Why did Ryan Jhun, a seasoned music producer, select Pop as bugAboo's title track?

  • For other groups that release bad songs, you can imagine that maybe the CEO and producers could have thought the song was pretty good.


    But Ryan Jhun has produced countless hit songs and has been producing for over 10 years. He knows what a hit or "good song" sounds like, and clearly Pop is a more niche style that will not appeal to a lot of people.


    So why would he choose this song for the first comeback of his new rookie group?


    Sounding unique is a valid strategy, but Pop is one of the worst songs I have ever heard.

    On the other hand bugAboo's debut (produced by Ryan Jhun; Pop isn't produced by him) sounds very traditional, of good quality, and acceptable.


    It is possible he didn't have time to produce the title this time. (He assisted in producing the b-side of the album but his name is listed last out of 4 producers) But that doesn't explain why out of all the possible demos he could have chosen, he put confidence into this one.


    I just don't get it



    Here is Pop


    And I just noticed he produced Real Love for OMG (first name in the composer list). So maybe his ears for titles aren't as great as I thought. But even so Real Love was just forgettable and you forget what it sounds like, but Pop actually sounds bad. I can imagine him thinking Real Love is understated but good (or something) or having a bias because it's his own work, but how did he approve Pop?


    He also produced My Turn for Cravity but in this case he is the last name on the list of 4 composers. And again OMG and Cravity are established groups, but bugAboo is a new group that is not doing very well and he picked this weak song for them on purpose, again, I just don't get it

  • Pop is catchy. The chorus contains a lovely, vibrant energy.


    I'm not sure about charts, but Hopefully their unique and fun sound can help them cultivate a fandom who likes that stuff.

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  • https://mobile.twitter.com/bugaboo_chartsPop is catchy. The chorus contains a lovely, vibrant energy.


    I'm not sure about charts, but Hopefully their unique and fun sound can help them cultivate a fandom who likes that stuff.

    Possibly those are assets that he saw, but how many other songs could have been catchy without being controversial in any way (like their debut song)


    I doubt any of the group's songs are known to be on charts

    According to chart account, each title track reached a similar peak around #40-50 on Bugs, but for Pop comeback, both the title and b-side charted there.

  • He may be in a period of his life where he is not creatively inspired, or he is simply trying new things and trying to renew himself.

    He did not produce the song, he chose it from other producers, that is what is even more confusing because he chose one that is obviously not traditionally popular on purpose


    If you mean that as a reason for why he didn't produce the title (maybe not having confidence in his inspirations and having more confidence in other famous producers). Then OK but still why this song

  • Possibly those are assets that he saw, but how many other songs could have been catchy without being controversial in any way (like their debut song)


    I doubt any of the group's songs are known to be on charts

    According to chart account, each title track reached a similar peak around #40-50 on Bugs, but for Pop comeback, both the title and b-side charted there.

    how is this controversial tho? Like yeah you dislike it, but I don't see it breaking enough of a storm. I don't see people lining up in droves raving about how bad it is. It's just... there.


    Never said they did chart. I don't think they do as far as Ik. And that's okay. It's a bit harder for girl groups that don't as heavily rely on fandom, but girl groups are these days are amassing fandoms some as big or bigger than bg, so hopefully they can gain a fandom themselves. I want them to succeed.


    Also, bugs charting is irrelevant. Anyone can chart there, so it's not worth talking about.

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  • how is this controversial tho? Like yeah you dislike it, but I don't see it breaking enough of a storm. I don't see people lining up in droves raving about how bad it is. It's just... there.


    Also, bugs charting is irrelevant. Anyone can chart there, so it's not worth talking about.

    "Pop pop pop pop"


    Cause it's talk-singing kind of like Itzy "Keep your head up" and Mafia in the morning chorus, which is controversial, called childish, screechy, etc.


    And there isn't an obvious good part of it

    And there is a part that is easy to dislike

  • Okay sure you might dislike it, but some people like that kind of thing tho. Not the first time we've seen it appear in a song nor the first time those kinds of songs are praised.


    You're misusing the word "controversial". It implies a big dispute or division happened because of the song... when nothing like that happened. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

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  • Okay sure you might dislike it, but some people like that kind of thing tho. Not the first time we've seen it appear in a song nor the first time those kinds of songs are praised.


    You're misusing the word "controversial". It implies a big dispute or division happened because of the song... when nothing like that happened. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

    Idk if there is any widespread disagreement over whether it's bad or good, but it just comes off as bad in the most obvious way, it sounds like it would be controversial cause it has controversial music elements, just like NCT songs are obviously hard to digest even if you don't know how anyone else reacted, Pop is obviously hard to remember and understand the "pop" the first time


    Maybe more like weird or non-traditional than controversial but basically it equates to the same thing


    I forgot to say earlier, the bigger problem is that it sounds lazy/weak not that it is so unpleasant that you never want to listen to it.

  • Idk if there is any widespread disagreement over whether it's bad or good, but it just comes off as bad in the most obvious way, it sounds like it would be controversial cause it has controversial music elements, just like NCT songs are obviously hard to digest even if you don't know how anyone else reacted, Pop is obviously hard to remember and understand the "pop" the first time


    Maybe more like weird or non-traditional than controversial but basically it equates to the same thing


    I forgot to say earlier, the bigger problem is that it sounds lazy/weak not that it is so unpleasant that you never want to listen to it.

    yeah sorry bruv I just didn't have those issues with that track. It's fun and quirky and suits bugaboo's image. Might be a you problem.

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  • Pop is not THAT bad for me but yes it's obvious it wasn't an amazing choice. Tbh I also didn't really like his productions in 2022. Step Back, Real Love(whoever agreed for it to be the title track really sabotaged the group), Hush Rush were not it for me. I also didn't really like the songs he made for Classy and Aespa. I did enjoy After Like, Tank and YooA lay low. But he made better songs in 2021 (eleven, bugaboo, and especially Dun Dun Dance).

  • In a world with Hit Ya, I don't know how anyone can say Pop is the worst song they ever heard.


    :taeyong-eating:


    I think it's not very interesting but more cohesive than their debut track, IMO. But then I'm a person who doesn't find NCT songs hard to digest. :/


    Ryan S Jhun is a pretty prolific writer and producer so he's bound to have some misses. :pepe-narrow-eyes:

    I don't think he lost his touch in a year where he also worked on:


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  • yeah sorry bruv I just didn't have those issues with that track. It's fun and quirky and suits bugaboo's image. Might be a you problem.

    Actually now that I listened to it again the "I feel like it" is getting into my head, I just really hate the popopopop part



    I think it's not very interesting but more cohesive than their debut track, IMO. But then I'm a person who doesn't find NCT songs hard to digest. :/

    I don't think either is more cohesive but maybe Pop has a better flow than bugAboo which is more like verse here, prechorus here, chorus here, bridge time in a more obvious way

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