Do you think starship is part of big5 now ??

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I don't. My definitions

1. Subsidiary companies can't claim 'big' status. So Starship is not.

2. Neither can parent companies, just because they have M&A of Kpop agencies - so Kakao is not.

3. HYBE is a big, even though they reorganized and have idol groups under subsidiary labels, because HYBE's primary business and origin is Kpop idol music production.

4. CJ E&M is also not a 'big', for similar reasons to Kakao, not their history or primary business, no matter how many project groups they run or have subsidiaries.

The 'Big' term is a combination of size, primary business and history.

For Kakao, idol/music production is a tiny part of their holdings and revenues, whereas for the Big 4 - that is the primary business and majority of their revenues

Even if considering Kakao M, that is still true.

In any case, the "big" label might as well be retired, it will increasingly lose relevance with the boom of digital consumption and social media marketing.

The label mattered when influence with Broadcasting and Print media mattered a lot. That is a dead end now, just slowly reducing.

Curation will take different forms now.

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So if CJ E&M does end up buying SM, then SM will stop being a top 4?

Negotiations fell apart, but there could always be more talks in the future.

CJ ENM seeing progress to acquire SM Entertainment

CJ Group is seeing visible progress in its bid to acquire management rights in SM Entertainment, as the group's top executive was said to have been persuading…

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no

Nope, imo there should only be a "big3" if another company over takes one in the big 3 then so be it but the rule of 3 should remain, going this way will be so dumb in 3 years time. "OMG I think ripsteady ent is in the big 8 now"

Big 3

Large companies

Medium companies

small companies

nugu

Is how I see it.

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So if CJ E&M does end up buying SM, then SM will stop being a top 4?

Negotiations fell apart, but there could always be more talks in the future.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/w…h/2021/08/694_314511.html

Depends, are they buying just LSM's shares or restructuring the company as a CJ subsidiary.

If the first, SM will remain a Big, if the second, then NO.

I am sure already the bigwigs of the industry are institutional investors in each other's business or JVs etc., as I keep telling WhyKnock ownership percentages are only about the money, actual power lies in contracts, management rights, organizational structure.

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Depends, are they buying just LSM's shares or restructuring the company as a CJ subsidiary.

If the first, SM will remain a Big, if the second, then NO.

I am sure already the bigwigs of the industry are institutional investors in each other's business or JVs etc., as I keep telling WhyKnock ownership percentages are only about the money, actual power lies in contracts, management rights, organizational structure.

I guess a controlling share of SM would be something like 20% since Lee so min owns about 18% of the company right now.

But even if bought, they could still say SM runs independently, that is what KakaoM claims for Starship, even when they own 70% of the company.

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Don't be delusional. Hybe smokes YG sm and jyp combined. In sales, in talent, and in business strategy.

don't be delusional.....hybe follows trends they didn't shape kpop. that's what the big three did. they shaped kpop.

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don't be delusional.....hybe follows trends they didn't shape kpop. that's what the big three did. they shaped kpop.

LOL

everyone is becoming a "big x" these days

Let Big 3 be Big 3. it's not like the label has any significant meaning in current market when other non-Big3 acts are out-doing them lol

until people say "Starship released a new group? let check it out!" , they won't be the big 5.

Big What ever groups tend to debut with huge hype.

They jump to the top of the charts and sell thousands of copies before any one in the general public even hears their songs.

It seems to be easier with GG's, JYP had that touch for GG, since Miss A to Itzy. SM had it with RV and AESPA, YG had it with BP and while the debut of 2NE1 did not do well, their first comeback did. Hybe did well with their latest 2 GGs.

With boy groups is more difficult Got7 did well and Winner did well. Every other BG struggled to make it to the top 100 of the charts with their debut.

i think this whole discorse has gotten silly tbh. They are big5 when it's convenient and mid tier nugu when it's not. Whatever people want to consider them won't change anything about IVE.