Is this a hard pill to swallow?

I don’t even understand the argument. I don’t think it’s supposed to be offensive to other either. It’s just a recognition. Or am I missing something to why people argue about this?

P.S. gloating or bragging are not excuses to why people argue about this

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paved the way started with 2nd gens who used it to insult bts

armys just reclaimed it lol

i dont understand why everyone expects us to respect and acknowledge their f aves but they wont do the same for bts

The thing, armys didn’t start saying it. They only followed Korean media and Korean people saying it first. So idk why kpop fans are angry about it to fans.

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Because it's used for shading

How? Out of no where? Or when downplaying BTS to benefit others faves?

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What's the "hard pill to swallow" here? The "paved the way" argument? Not at all... it's just that fans feel the need to mention it every single time or whenever they can even if the argument is being used against haters or whatever. Arguments overall are very stupid.

I agree. Arguments are stupid esp over facts

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what is a hard pill?

It’s a way of saying hard for people to accept

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i mean yeah

but kpop fans have always been mad at everything regarding bts

i remember how they used to label armys toxic becuz we spammed the whole any armyhere ? thing but overlooked the death threats bodyshaming bts used to receive by other fandoms

Exactly, we used to be hated for the most random shit.

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AGAIN? For real?

Yes bcos they keep breaking new records to achieve this convo again and again both fortunately and unfortunately

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My issue with paving the way is that they're not actually doing that for kpop or non-English language artists in the English language market. They're still very much a novelty and exception in the music scene. Until other artists are able to get a stable and long term foothold in the English language market, then they're not paving the way. They're an exception.

Eminem being listed in that pop stars list is a good example. When he started dominating the charts, it kicked off a wave of labels signing and pushing white rappers. Pretty much all of them failed to achieve anywhere near the same success as Eminem and the fad died off. Did Eminem pave the way for white rappers? Not really. Some others had mild success before they faded from the mainstream. He proved that white rappers can be taken seriously as rappers instead of just punchline posers.

The same cycle has happened in the film industry. Every time a movie that's not a Western mainstream movie hits (Life is Beautiful, The Artist) there's a wave of "but wait these movies are good? maybe we should pay attention to foreign films" wave of media attention and praise, but then nothing else hits because the general public aren't really interested. We're back to it again because of Parasite, but here we are in another award season where non-mainstream films are once again largely ignored. The film industry's cycle is about 10 years long (Life is Beautiful was late 90s, The Artists early 2010s, and now Parasite in 2020.) The music industry is around the same or a little longer.

So no other artists suddenly started appearing on American shows and stages more suddenly after BTS exploded in the US ? BTS breaking their way into America showed them that having an American market is also a huge success like Japanese ones. Even the kpop artists themselves mention BTS and thank them for opening more doors in the west.

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That's not what I said. I'm talking about creating a stable piece the market, not a bunch of media outlets rushing to get kpop idols on their channels because it's the hot new fad. I literally said that right now kpop is still just a hot new trend in the industry. Until multiple artists establish themselves it has a very real possibility of fading back into nothingness.

Y'all always act like you want actual discussion, but then never actually read anything.

Who is y’all? You are only talking to me. Generalisation is just as ignorant. I read your points. Artists being able to establish themselves Stably depends on their own abilities. Likewise BTS and BP are well known names overall. It doesn’t change that BTS is actually opening doors for other artists. When people say they paved the way, this is what they mean. Being the first ones to break barriers and make it easier for other artists which the artists themselves say.

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You people keep recycling your threads lmao yes we get bts big bts amazing hoho what are we supposed to do exactly kiss their feet? You don't have to remind us how amazing and mistake-free bts are every 2 seconds, we know you're jobless but you don't have to show to the whole world lolol

I am sorry, they keep breaking new records like every week that this convo keeps popping up. You don’t have to read shit u dislike and comment. Obv who is jobless here. I am not responsible for your clear envy and jealousy. Get a job instead of being in forums if u disturbed by these discussions

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The ones who keep spamming every time their faves breathe obviously are. You can relate of course.

Just like you right taking your precious time to comment on something u dislike? Or did someone put a gun to your head ?

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The ones who keep spamming every time their faves breathe obviously are. You can relate of course.

Ah yes being no 1 global artists in the world or biggest artists in billboard charts are equivalent to “my faves breathe”. Like wow didn’t the standards were so high

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Yes Armts threatened me and forced me to praise BTS or they will bully my faves just like they did to every other female idol that got put in the same sentence as BTS.

Omg tragic. Talking irrelevant shit when out of points. Like BTS aren’t hated for the most stupidest shits in the world

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Ah yes being no 1 global artists in the world or biggest artists in billboard charts are equivalent to “my faves breathe”. Like wow didn’t know the standards were so high

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So you have no problem with hating on women who get near BTS? See I knew you were jobless

do u need common sense? Do u think any normal people support haters? I can turn this on you and ask so u don’t care about people hating on bts? So u r jobless too? But u might be cos u r doing the most here

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And Psy was treated the same way when he was out there collaborating with Snoop Doog and Madonna. Likewise when Ricky Martin started the late 90s Latin wave. Once the fad faded, the mainstream moved on.

You want to claim that BTS is changing the music industry, but then if everyone else fails it's because they're not good. That's paving the way for BTS, not kpop or non-English artists.

Okay I think I understand what you are trying to say. But I do believe they are changing the music industry. But I also get what u mean

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Armies are desperate for recognition of their favs for whatever absurd reason, so they scream it regularly. Even if they aren't the only ones paving the way.

It's impossible for anyone to get a "first" without others pushing open the door a tad. As much as certain people want to dance around that, it doesn't change it.

I will pray for you ❤️ bless your heart

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Oh for sure. Especially for the current generation. The internet has opened a lot of people up to international music and imo entertainment as a whole is getting more and more globalized every day thanks to streaming services, but for the general masses and mainstream taste, it's very slow to change.

I figure soon we'll get some kind of edgy rock/rap wave rising again soon in America which I'm not really looking forward to because it will be aimed directly at dudebros who feel threatened by "soft boy" idols.

The rap game is quite bad in US If it ain’t for some decent artists. But I will never forgive those gucci gang shit and mumble rappers(who do it horribly)... I had to cleanse my ears

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Sorry if the truth hurts you.

Oh honeyyy bless your heart.

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The only major cap is “koreans started the bts paved the way”, no the fluck we did not. Armys started that not koreans mate. Armys and now blinks, who try to use that against younger ggs, use it to shade other groups. Where have you ever seen koreans say that? If anything the order of usage is from international fans-korean fans-some members of the general public. If you tryna make a point, don’t add bullshit, because then it’s invalid.

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