Is this a hard pill to swallow?

  • I don’t even understand the argument. I don’t think it’s supposed to be offensive to other either. It’s just a recognition. Or am I missing something to why people argue about this?


    P.S. gloating or bragging are not excuses to why people argue about this

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  • paved the way started with 2nd gens who used it to insult bts

    armys just reclaimed it lol

    i dont understand why everyone expects us to respect and acknowledge their f aves but they wont do the same for bts

  • paved the way started with 2nd gens who used it to insult bts

    armys just reclaimed it lol

    i dont understand why everyone expects us to respect and acknowledge their f aves but they wont do the same for bts

    The thing, armys didn’t start saying it. They only followed Korean media and Korean people saying it first. So idk why kpop fans are angry about it to fans.

  • What's the "hard pill to swallow" here? The "paved the way" argument? Not at all... it's just that fans feel the need to mention it every single time or whenever they can even if the argument is being used against haters or whatever. Arguments overall are very stupid.

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    It makes them uncomfortable I think? For 4, 5 years the "BTS aren't as big as ARMY think they are" narrative has been super consistent for a lot of kpoppers, like a chant they tried to spread to new fans, but now it's impossible to make. BTS is just as incredibly popular, if not more so, than we think. All the metrics prove it.


    So now some people just yell about how bragging is bad + try to shame ARMY, because they have nothing else left. :mukbang:

  • What's the "hard pill to swallow" here? The "paved the way" argument? Not at all... it's just that fans feel the need to mention it every single time or whenever they can even if the argument is being used against haters or whatever. Arguments overall are very stupid.

    I agree. Arguments are stupid esp over facts

  • The thing, armys didn’t start saying it. They only followed Korean media and Korean people saying it first. So idk why kpop fans are angry about it to fans.

    i mean yeah

    but kpop fans have always been mad at everything regarding bts

    i remember how they used to label armys toxic becuz we spammed the whole any armyhere ? thing but overlooked the death threats bodyshaming bts used to receive by other fandoms

  • i mean yeah

    but kpop fans have always been mad at everything regarding bts

    i remember how they used to label armys toxic becuz we spammed the whole any armyhere ? thing but overlooked the death threats bodyshaming bts used to receive by other fandoms

    Exactly, we used to be hated for the most random shit.

  • My issue with paving the way is that they're not actually doing that for kpop or non-English language artists in the English language market. They're still very much a novelty and exception in the music scene. Until other artists are able to get a stable and long term foothold in the English language market, then they're not paving the way. They're an exception.


    Eminem being listed in that pop stars list is a good example. When he started dominating the charts, it kicked off a wave of labels signing and pushing white rappers. Pretty much all of them failed to achieve anywhere near the same success as Eminem and the fad died off. Did Eminem pave the way for white rappers? Not really. Some others had mild success before they faded from the mainstream. He proved that white rappers can be taken seriously as rappers instead of just punchline posers.


    The same cycle has happened in the film industry. Every time a movie that's not a Western mainstream movie hits (Life is Beautiful, The Artist) there's a wave of "but wait these movies are good? maybe we should pay attention to foreign films" wave of media attention and praise, but then nothing else hits because the general public aren't really interested. We're back to it again because of Parasite, but here we are in another award season where non-mainstream films are once again largely ignored. The film industry's cycle is about 10 years long (Life is Beautiful was late 90s, The Artist early 2010s, and now Parasite in 2020.) The music industry is around the same or a little longer.

  • My issue with paving the way is that they're not actually doing that for kpop or non-English language artists in the English language market. They're still very much a novelty and exception in the music scene. Until other artists are able to get a stable and long term foothold in the English language market, then they're not paving the way. They're an exception.


    Eminem being listed in that pop stars list is a good example. When he started dominating the charts, it kicked off a wave of labels signing and pushing white rappers. Pretty much all of them failed to achieve anywhere near the same success as Eminem and the fad died off. Did Eminem pave the way for white rappers? Not really. Some others had mild success before they faded from the mainstream. He proved that white rappers can be taken seriously as rappers instead of just punchline posers.


    The same cycle has happened in the film industry. Every time a movie that's not a Western mainstream movie hits (Life is Beautiful, The Artist) there's a wave of "but wait these movies are good? maybe we should pay attention to foreign films" wave of media attention and praise, but then nothing else hits because the general public aren't really interested. We're back to it again because of Parasite, but here we are in another award season where non-mainstream films are once again largely ignored. The film industry's cycle is about 10 years long (Life is Beautiful was late 90s, The Artists early 2010s, and now Parasite in 2020.) The music industry is around the same or a little longer.

    So no other artists suddenly started appearing on American shows and stages more suddenly after BTS exploded in the US ? BTS breaking their way into America showed them that having an American market is also a huge success like Japanese ones. Even the kpop artists themselves mention BTS and thank them for opening more doors in the west.

  • My issue with paving the way is that they're not actually doing that for kpop or non-English language artists in the English language market. They're still very much a novelty and exception in the music scene. Until other artists are able to get a stable and long term foothold in the English language market, then they're not paving the way. They're an exception.


    Eminem being listed in that pop stars list is a good example. When he started dominating the charts, it kicked off a wave of labels signing and pushing white rappers. Pretty much all of them failed to achieve anywhere near the same success as Eminem and the fad died off. Did Eminem pave the way for white rappers? Not really. Some others had mild success before they faded from the mainstream. He proved that white rappers can be taken seriously as rappers instead of just punchline posers.


    The same cycle has happened in the film industry. Every time a movie that's not a Western mainstream movie hits (Life is Beautiful, The Artist) there's a wave of "but wait these movies are good? maybe we should pay attention to foreign films" wave of media attention and praise, but then nothing else hits because the general public aren't really interested. We're back to it again because of Parasite, but here we are in another award season where non-mainstream films are once again largely ignored. The film industry's cycle is about 10 years long (Life is Beautiful was late 90s, The Artist early 2010s, and now Parasite in 2020.) The music industry is around the same or a little longer.

    not bts's fault other kpop groups arent succeeding there lol :pepe-popcorn:

    thanks to bts u have a lot of kpop albums being distributed over there + groups getting signed into labels etc

  • So no other artists suddenly started appearing on American shows and stages suddenly after BTS exploded in the US ?

    That's not what I said. I'm talking about creating a stable piece the market, not a bunch of media outlets rushing to get kpop idols on their channels because it's the hot new fad. I literally said that right now kpop is still just a hot new trend in the industry. Until multiple artists establish themselves it has a very real possibility of fading back into nothingness.


    Y'all always act like you want actual discussion, but then never actually read anything. :pepe-back-away:

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