What is this? Are people on allkpop out of touch?

    This forum talks down seventeen so much and I've seen many people saying that they have no presence with american kpop fans that I just believed it. But look at this tweet of their american concert I just grabbed from another thread here. I also learned from the thread that they have sold out shows in america bigger than this and one of them has sold over 17,500 tickets. Whats with these takes I've been seen and does anyone else fear allkpop has become out of touch? :-(?( Is this the consequence of carrots being obsolete here?

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    Is this nugu these days? How many tickets will take to be relevant with american kpops? What other groups are underestimated on this site that we blindly believe? So many questions now! :melon_think:

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    Loona are also selling out their venues, but do you see them called successful?

    Someone needs to tell seventeen fans that having a big obsessed fandom doesn’t make you a top group if there no causal interest and popularity

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    And you want me to believe you aren't a Seventeen stan?

    Tell me one popular Seventeen song from last year or this year. POPULAR

    Where did I say I don't like seventeen? Clearly I do if I made this thread! lol I just don't keep up with them like that or track numbers so I assumed they actually didn't have presence in the american kpop scene. I knew they were big in asia though. I'm not active in any other kpop forums or websites so I just assumed this website was accurate :finger-heart::* Safe to say allkpop is out of touch?

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    Someone needs to tell seventeen fans that having a big obsessed fandom doesn’t make you a top group if there no causal interest and popularity

    Did I say seventeen were a top group? You're making your own conclusions! :-P:finger-heart: I just stated that I found out they're holding bigger American concerts than what people on here would imply! And going by your standards no boy groups are popular unless they're named bts or big bang! :melon_think: Fair enough if you agree though!

    I didn't see Seventeen's concerts trending on Twt the way I saw BTS, Twice, even SKZ, TXT and NCT concerts. You couldn't avoid them.

    Damn what did 17 do to y'all bitter asses?

    the thing about all US arena shows these days for kpop groups is that esstentially the same group of ppl are attending all of them. with svt, loona, stray kids, ateez, etc it is mostly multis who are attending all of these concerts. in order for concerts show to be a metric of real popularity beyond the kpop niche is when you can actually get the GP to attend and at the moment they only one who can do that is BTS

    Didn't read much of this thread, because....kpop fans. But I wanted to pop in and say, what you read here or anywhere really is not always facts. Do your own research when it comes to making up your mind about things.

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    the thing about all US arena shows these days for kpop groups is that esstentially the same group of ppl are attending all of them. with svt, loona, stray kids, ateez, etc it is mostly multis who are attending all of these concerts. in order for concerts show to be a metric of real popularity beyond the kpop niche is when you can actually get the GP to attend and at the moment they only one who can do that is BTS

    How does this make any sense? If it was the same group of multis then some of the groups you mentioned would be pulling bigger numbers. How would one group only be doing around 3,000 max capacity and another be pulling 17,500+ in one night. My guess is stray kids sells even more american tickets than seventeen meaning there's an even larger difference with that 3000. If that's the case then the most you can say is that these groups only gain around 3000 extra fans from these multis who will supposedly attend anything :finger-heart::*


    Also nobody but delulus will claim that any group besides BTS and maybe Blackpink has the American gp tuning in. No where did my post state that and I even specified American kpop fans! :whistling:

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    Someone needs to tell seventeen fans that having a big obsessed fandom doesn’t make you a top group if there no causal interest and popularity

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    the thing about all US arena shows these days for kpop groups is that esstentially the same group of ppl are attending all of them. with svt, loona, stray kids, ateez, etc it is mostly multis who are attending all of these concerts. in order for concerts show to be a metric of real popularity beyond the kpop niche is when you can actually get the GP to attend and at the moment they only one who can do that is BTS

    Also you two need to battle it out! I'm getting two different narratives here. One is claiming that seventeen has no casual interest or popularity while the other is claiming that the crowd is only casual fans who don't actually stan them. :-(?( Wouldn't these casuals attending require them to know who seventeen is and know that they're touring? What is the truth? Hope we can get an answer soon! :finger-heart::-):*

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    Didn't read much of this thread, because....kpop fans. But I wanted to pop in and say, what you read here or anywhere really is not always facts. Do your own research when it comes to making up your mind about things.

    the OP is blaming the forum for his own uninformed views and lack of research, but ironically posters here are actually right. who even knows seventeen?

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    Damn what did 17 do to y'all bitter asses?

    Take their anger over just hearing Seventeen's numbers as a compliment! If people weren't responding or being mad then that would be a testament to actually being irrelevant. I didn't even mention any other groups in the OP but look at some of the reactions! :finger-heart::-P It's the classic kpop 'I don't like them so I'll just act like they're flopping so maybe it will come true' :-)

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    Didn't read much of this thread, because....kpop fans. But I wanted to pop in and say, what you read here or anywhere really is not always facts. Do your own research when it comes to making up your mind about things.

    I didn't do my own research because I didn't care that much. I just saw that they apparently had no pull in america and accepted it because numbers don't equal quality nor my like for the group's music. But then I saw this and thought it was funny to make a little post for these guys to rile them up a bit! ^^

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    And you want me to believe you aren't a Seventeen stan?

    Tell me one popular Seventeen song from last year or this year. POPULAR

    Just realized I forgot to answer this second part and my honest answer is: I CAN'T! ^^ Like I said somehwere else on this thread I don't care about charts and numbers like that usually. I'm not even really sure how any of their songs charted. BUT I can name all of the songs I liked them from last year and this year. Because I listen to kpop for the songs and not the numbers. Now back to the songs I enjoyed! :finger-heart::*

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    And more but this is just from the ones I can remember. I can see why they have such a high concert attendance when I lay it out like this! Consistently good music with diversity. ;-)

    You want to brag about tour attendance, but you are avoiding my question because you don't care for charts? You already answered me here :p

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    Also you two need to battle it out! I'm getting two different narratives here. One is claiming that seventeen has no casual interest or popularity while the other is claiming that the crowd is only casual fans who don't actually stan them. :-(?( Wouldn't these casuals attending require them to know who seventeen is and know that they're touring? What is the truth? Hope we can get an answer soon! :finger-heart::-):*

    battle what out? i agree with that other person you quoted. i didn't say that the crowd was causal fans, I said that it was a crowd of US multis who stan 2746714 groups that attend all these kpop concerts. and earlier you quoted me asking why were other groups pulling different numbers if the same group of ppl are going. of course they arent going to pull the exact same attendance numbers-wise, but all of these groups are doing similar sized arenas with similar attendance stats across the board (5-15k on average). That number is definitely the same kpop niche demographic, anything higher/ more significant will be the GP.

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    You want to brag about tour attendance, but you are avoiding my question because you don't care for charts? You already answered me here :p

    I already said I don't keep up with numbers which is why I just learned about the concert attendance. Naturally I don't keep tabs on the charts either. I made this thread because I finally got an idea on how popular they are in america despite how people talk about them on here. But since you're so interested, I decided to do some research just now just for you! :p


    All three of their promoted releases this year (hot, _world, and dar+ling) are still charting in the melon top 100. hot and dar+ling are months old at this point and the first one was even released in april! Two of these songs are also in Melon's top 10 most streamed songs of 2022!


    Some other headlines I'm borrowing from the user I learned about the concerts from on here:

    Seventeen HOT and DARLING #2 and #3 boy group songs with most days inside melon top 100, just behind BIG BANG

    BIGBANG, SEVENTEEN and BLACKPINK has the 3 best selling digital songs in China this year

    BTS, BLACKPINK AND SEVENTEEN MOST STREAMED DAILY K-POP ACTS ON SPOTIFY WW

    SEVENTEEN HOT RISES ON MELON DAILY CHARTS DESPITE NEW RELEASES, #1 on melon weekly popularity... FACE THE SUN SURPASS 120,000,000 STREAMS

    SEVENTEEN Takes the lead and is now the best selling Korean Act in Japan with over 900,000 physicals this 2022

    Seventeen Face The Sun hits 4,029,454 copies combining Album (2,6M) and its repackage (1,4M)

    SEVENTEEN is now the second best selling Korean Music Act in Hanteo History, after hitting 10M overall sales (second act to do it)


    Seventeen also released two of some of the best charting boy groups song in 2021: is it still beautiful and rock with you! Just like this year, they were outcharting the majority of boygroups both in chart position and longevity


    They are the #6 most streamed kpop group on Spotify and #4 most streamed idol group in Korea just this February and have gained even more streams now!

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    Are they charting as well as girl groups? No! But unless you stan big bang or bts, they're outcharting your favorite boy group in Korea right now and possibly even on some western platforms! :finger-heart::-P I'd do some more research besides some Melon facts and threads I can find on here but I think this pretty much covers it!

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    battle what out? i agree with that other person you quoted. i didn't say that the crowd was causal fans, I said that it was a crowd of US multis who stan 2746714 groups that attend all these kpop concerts. and earlier you quoted me asking why were other groups pulling different numbers if the same group of ppl are going. of course they arent going to pull the exact same attendance numbers-wise, but all of these groups are doing similar sized arenas with similar attendance stats across the board (5-15k on average). That number is definitely the same kpop niche demographic, anything higher/ more significant will be the GP.

    So please explain to me how a group pulls 17,500+ in one night and yet their irrelevant to the american kpop fans? :melon_think: I've already said multiple times we're not talking GP but you're so stuck on this American GP! lol


    Also US multis who "stan" a bunch of groups are casual fans because there's no way they are actually stanning that many groups. The point is that seventeen's pulling one of the biggest kpop tours in america this year and people are going because they know and like them. And how in the world are you making an average 5-15k? Those are two completely different sized arenas! ^^ You can not compare a group that can at pull 5k at their biggest to someone who pulls 15k for their average size concert


    And how are multis of these group any less valuable? Are they not spending their money to see these groups? Because they both know and like them! People are doing everything to act like seventeen has no relevance with american kpop fans on here :finger-heart::-P those audience and stats aren't fake!

    People here have a very narrow definition of success. It's either be no1 in charts or you are flopping or don't matter.

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    Except it's the same people streaming


    They've been around for years, and yet only have one song about 3M UL's. They only have 8 above 2M ULs! on Melon. That's crazy low for how long they've been around. (G)I-DLE have 8 songs above 2M ULs and they only 10 Title Tracks. SVT have had how many exactly? 26?


    The ratios for stream to UL is something ridiculous about 40-50 on average. Girl groups get about 20 ratio. Far Far better.


    So yes, you can point to the same group of people non-stop listening to their songs and go "wow", but when you look at their extremely low UL's, you realise it's basically the same group of people. That's why they're kind of ignored.

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    I didn't do my own research because I didn't care that much. I just saw that they apparently had no pull in america and accepted it because numbers don't equal quality nor my like for the group's music. But then I saw this and thought it was funny to make a little post for these guys to rile them up a bit! ^^

    Ahh so your goal was to be a troll. Where did I put my can of raid??

    Why is it that people always compare bgs digitals to ggs to discredit them? Everyone knows the stigma against bgs and how hard it is for them to do digitally in comparison. Lets compare them to their male competition and the answer becomes pretty clear :finger-heart::* They have two songs this year (one being a bside) that are only outperformed by bts and big bang so far


    Also their biggest song has over 4 million ULs I believe and their total ULs on melon is over 80 million. Not bad for a flop bg with no presence! :wow:

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    Ahh so your goal was to be a troll. Where did I put my can of raid??

    Where did I say I'm trolling? ?( I actually like seventeen and even promoted their music in this thread. I'm literally defending them more in this thread than they have been throughout the entire forum. It's just that the fact of the matter is that they're extremely successful and I like to see people get riled up over obvious facts they continue to deny :finger-heart:^^ People try to act unbothered by other groups success but then put in all this effort tearing them down and finding excuses to deny what is clear lol

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    the thing about all US arena shows these days for kpop groups is that esstentially the same group of ppl are attending all of them. with svt, loona, stray kids, ateez, etc it is mostly multis who are attending all of these concerts. in order for concerts show to be a metric of real popularity beyond the kpop niche is when you can actually get the GP to attend and at the moment they only one who can do that is BTS

    The last time gp attended BTS shows was in 2019. Now they do early army ticketing first and the shows always get sold out before reaching gp sales.


    I advise you that if you want to get a BTS ticket, buy army membership months before

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    The last time gp attended BTS shows was in 2019. Now they do early army ticketing first and the shows always get sold out before reaching gp sales.


    I advise you that if you want to get a BTS ticket, buy army membership months before

    Interesting. Wouldn't you want the gp to be able to get into the concerts? You would be more likely to convert more into super fans. I know a lot of people become fans after attending concerts :melon_think:

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    Where did I say I'm trolling? ?( I actually like seventeen and even promoted their music in this thread. I'm literally defending them more in this thread than they have been throughout the entire forum. It's just that the fact of the matter is that they're extremely successful and I like to see people get riled up over obvious facts they continue to deny :finger-heart:^^ People try to act unbothered by other groups success but then put in all this effort tearing them down and finding excuses to deny what is clear lol

    Not sure why you would care about what some faceless, nameless internet clowns have to say. But I do enjoy making fun of kpop fans from time to time, so proceed. You have my support. ;-)

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    Why is it that people always compare bgs digitals to ggs to discredit them? Everyone knows the stigma against bgs and how hard it is for them to do digitally in comparison. Lets compare them to their male competition and the answer becomes pretty clear :finger-heart::* They have two songs this year (one being a bside) that are only outperformed by bts and big bang so far


    Also their biggest song has over 4 million ULs I believe and their total ULs on melon is over 80 million. Not bad for a flop bg with no presence! :wow:

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    BTS never had stigma agaisnt them. Bigbang too

    They are one of the most boring group to ever hit big god know what kind of woodoo shit they did :-)

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    BTS never had stigma agaisnt them. Bigbang too

    Big bang appeals to straight men who are scared of pretty boys. They got popular with men because they weren't conventionally attractive and made music that was safe for straight men to not be accused of gay for liking ^^ Which is why they're also tagged with "real artist" despite a ton of other bgs making their own music. Musicians generally don't get respect until men like them. Sad fact.


    BTS had a ton of stigma against them and faced a lot of hate early on. Armys talk about it a lot and it took a lot of fandom success for the GP to finally appreciate them and tune in :finger-heart::* Lets not discredit the amount of effort this group put in to push through the bg barrier!

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