Posts by Queeeenie

Yes girls do find men to date via their friends, it feels safer that way, but you can't put a number on these things

I think it's best for people to read lizkook fanfiction instead

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Does that mean you no longer consider yourself ARMY?

Yeah I can't think of myself as one anymore (it's a long story) although they're still the group I am the most attached to, hence my use of the term "bias group"

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Nice to see you! Is see you're staying away from all the content, which must be infinitely more peaceful! Of course you're back here at AKP - might be hard to avoid here, but hope it wont' scare you away.

I'll be okay! I'm a bit tougher than before. Don't know how long I'll stick around as my stanning days are done but I'll see this comeback through, for old times sake.

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Wait, what? You're back?! HEY!

Hello

I don't think it's weird. You can't rely on music being good every time but you can always rely on idols being entertaining on camera.

This time I'm going to experience the comeback without watching all the scheduled promotional contents and other regular content releases. I've seen a single 10s clip from the sowoozoo behind the scenes dvd recently, and a "yoongi marry me" compilation, but that's it, I'm doing well.

I want to see how I react to the music when I treat my bias group (more or less) like I would any other artist regarding a comeback.

It will be a more authentic response, but it inevitably detracts from the overall kpop experience.

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Maybe, but only in one aspect,
like many dedicated fans can only push on sales but not able to bring success in streams
dedicated fans like LWY can bring success for LWY in SK but not international
I think its more than "dedicated fans" to make the Group success, its their music, their dedication, talent and persona too that makes even GP and people outside their fandom casually likes and listem to their music.

It can be pushed in streams, just to a lesser degree than sales because it requires more time and effort than just clicking a few buttons.

There are lots of streaming guides and tips spread around online so that fans can mass stream specific songs and albums for specific purposes on specific streaming sites and have their streams count, even starting at a certain time of the day to maximise the 24hr streams figure.

You can still be successful as a GP favourite but it's harder to achieve.

A fandom, especially a boy group fandom, is extremely reliable.

Bang pd quote from his Time magazine interview about why he created an idol group:

"At the time that I started my company, physical album sales were abruptly going down and digital sales were not coming up to compensate. But K-pop idol groups had an advantage, in that they had many opportunities to diversify revenue streams and their fans were extremely passionate, allowing concerts to compensate for the dropped album sales.

This was also a time when many around the world were saying the only replacement for the demolished musical industry is live performances. If a performance-based model were to be created in South Korea, I thought, it would [still have to] be a K-pop idol group."

Kpop groups were a bit ahead of the game with their numerous photocards and photobooks and album packaging and flashy choreographies and clothes.

Both him and Lenzo have spoken numerous times about the concept of fans as active collaboraters in growth and have mentioned how their focus on fans and contents using new media from the start had given them an edge.

There are the other ingredients like having the right combination of personalities, visuals, the choreo etc. that earn you fans but industrialising that fandom through technology too is the big thing now.

You can see it happening everywhere even outside of kpop, and it's becoming increasingly competitive.

These types of fan are the "whales". The things she is saying in her last paragraph are very familiar to me and it's the result of a very strong parasocial relationship, facilitated by the industry.

Rich collector fans, sasaengs, shippers, campaigners, fans who study the charts to calculate sales needed for a particular chart position for a single, fans that create edits with fandom goals for a comeback, fans that create guides on how to stream "like a human" and mass buy properly, fans that collect and distribute donations for the comeback, the fans that participate in it and spend too much time on forums (*cough* me ).

All of that is dedication.

Last year, before ptd was out, I openly wondered on here if it was necessary to get the song to no.1 when the fans have to support Butter as well (which was at no.1 at the time for like the 6th week in a row).

I was told that yes, it was, because a) it will "shut up the antis" b) in the vlive BTS had done recently, Yoongi had mentioned/predicted a 'baton pass' from Butter to Ptd and c) there was some sort of billboard record it would break.

The craziness partly comes from that over-identification with the group/community, to the point where you feel responsible for their success and happiness, and any perceived threats to that (rival artists and their fans for example) feel like a threat to you.

Follow them on tiktok, they're dropping gems

I'm getting Destinys Child vibes

Of course they know how to do girl groups

the only GG song I liked last year was this

3. Hul I assumed that women would be the higher proportions in other countries too... This is shocking

9. Hul this is shocking... This country specifically targets women and kills them......... I've always thought that the whole world targeted women more than men... Turns out our country was an unique case

Not surprised. Seen a lot of people confidently stating that women are the predominantly the victims of murder and street violence/crime. Statistically speaking, it is actually men.

"In advanced countries, the proportions of male victims are higher"

Not at all. Korea is an exception, everywhere else has a higher proportion of male victims. I wonder why this is the case.

Is this the UMG x Hybe group?

Highly unlikely.

If it was normalised then the illusion will be broken slightly and the artist/company will lose money.

The image of idols being too busy and dedicated to their fans to date and party and do the things that we know deep down they all still do is partly what makes the fans so dedicated to their fav's career in the first place.

Jungkook has a tattoo saying "I'd rather be dead than cool" (Nirvana lyric)

So instead of calling him cool I will call him anti-cool

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Hmm, so you mean to say that if they sang in any non-english language they wouldn't get as much backlash if any. Why is it so? I want to hear your opinion on this.

Cause if it was about representation in media and charts I think most people would prefer to have their culture/nation represented by their own acts rather than a Korean group singing in different languages.

So why do you think only the English language gets this much backlash?

It's because it's part of the hegemonic culture, and I'm speaking in global terms here. Other languages and cultures are countering that. As I said, this would not really matter, as we can see by the numbers

racked up by their English songs, provided they liked the individual song.

At the end of the day, people complain but will still listen to English songs the most.

There is a focus on the ones who have concerns, for some reason.

I think there's an element of unfamiliarity in those other languages (if they don't speak it) that people find freeing for English speaking I-fans.

Something a fan said here about pop music particularly reminded me of this feeling.

There are some songs I listen to that I wouldn't like as much if I understood the lyrics as I'm hearing them. So the lyrics of English songs, for English speakers, would need to suit their taste in order for them to enjoy the song, whereas they wouldn't if it was in a language they didn't understand? It's an extra thing to think about.

It does seem that the lady was commenting on tweets from English speaking I-fans, perhaps Americans, but I could be wrong. Maybe it wouldn't make a difference anyway since people can read and learn lyrics for foreign songs Idk. Not everyone does that.

Btw I think the people who weren't happy hearing about PtD being in English felt that way because they had disliked either Dyna or Butter or both, and PtD was likely to be similar given that Columbia/Ron Perry was involved in all of them, and there was unlikely to be rap, or substantial rap.

It is not the same as their Japanese discography where they had lots of songs with significant rap verses.

It is also just not the same because a lot of non Japanese armys don't pay too much attention to their Japanese discography in the first place, given the promotion of it is limited.

Knowing that English songs will be promoted more than or as much as their Korean songs basically puts them at the same level of interest, at the forefront.

BTS' English songs are associated with certain themes now, the way their Korean and Japanese ones are.

It's not just the language on it's own, there is a context behind it.

I suppose there is a contradiction here. Armys do get excited when they speak other languages in concerts and interviews. We are used to hearing them speak in English and singing some phrases and words in English in their Korean and Japanese songs.

I know I would be pumped to hear them sing a song in my language. The difference would be ig that we know it would be a one time thing and unlikely to be promoted.

These are good points.

It's dehumanising for the idols and it makes the fans look like entitled fools.

Idols are not tools for anyone to comfort themselves with whatever the cost, mouthpieces for anyone else's personal beliefs, or shields to validate anyone's toxic behaviours.

They're not memes or self-inserts.

They are human beings.

Replace "idols" with any "celebrity" with a public platform.

Also I could write 3 page essay on how awful it is for fans (and non fans tbh) to demand a statement from and later harass celebrities every time a serious world issue becomes a trendy topic on social media.

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RE: Unpopular Harry Potter Opinions

Now I don't know if these are unpopular opinion but I really really hate the last 3 movies, maybe even more than movie 4 which practically ruined one of the best books in the series.

The last few movies didn't have the urgency the books had, Harry going around to random coffee shops flirting with waitresses was beyond ridiculous when you actually read the book and know the high level security he was supposed to have. And then there's that whole HORRIBLE scene or the death eaters attacking and …

chounim

Jun 19th 2021

Literal word vomit

These are actually very reasonable opinions that probably shouldn't be unpopular.

Wish the last book had gotten 3 films.

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She did explain it tho? If you go on twitter (and some people on akp too actually), there is a huge discourse about the 3 songs in English. NOT because of how it sounds but solely because of English. And people are saying exactly what she said, they are singing in English and losing their Korean identity blah blah.

If the problem was with bts singing in a different language, the same energy would be seen for film out but it was not. People were literally praising it left and right. So the problem is clearly them singing in English. And it points to the deeper problem of Asian fetisization. But you can only see the problem if you want to so🤷‍♀️

That's not an explanation.

The issues with English are also related to the concept of hegemony and other comments the members have made themselves prior to 2020 about English music (which are related to identity and authenticity) but it seems most people get over that if they like the individual song that they release.

I think they'd still be fetishised if they sang in a non Asian language.

If they decided to release a Spanish single, everyone would be hyped.

They were hyped at the idea Jhope might be singing in Spanish in CNS before it dropped.

The unfamiliarity of that language that is key, and also how dominant, how well represented the language is in music.

(Foreign (being foreign to the listener) language songs are a double edged sword at the end of the day. Not being able to understand the lyrics and pronunciation straight away can negatively or positively impact your listening experience.)

In interviews when they speak in English, people find them especially cute, so it isn't that any association with English language is rejected by I fans.

They can still be fetishised based on their accents when they speak English and their looks.

Speaking or singing in English doesn't just take away their korean-ness.

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I think many people were complaining about PTD being sung in an English language and not Korean while never criticising them for releasing Japanese music. Might be that?

Yeah I've discussed this before on here, quite recently too about the why the reactions are different, although it wasn't related to fetishisation.

You can still fetishise Asians if they sing in a non-Asian language, I don't think that has stopped anyone before.

Didn't stop Oli

They could sing a Spanish song, and it wouldn't decrease the "fetishisation level" they're under. I think people would go harder for them singing in Spanish than in Japanese, and by people I mean I-fans (possibly western fans that she is referencing?) There are I-fans that speak Spanish too, obviously, but their language isn't as dominant globally as English and so it wouldn't be seen as counter hegemonic.

Tbh Asians singing and speaking English with an Asian accent can be like a kink for some people.

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Change in context here refers to them becoming “westernized “ the term some people have been running up since BTS released English songs. The last tweet obv refers to ppl who whine about missing their Korean music when they constantly do release them and it’s always readily available for listen.

Yeah I gathered it was about English singles.

They're an active group, they'll be judged on their most recent releases

and their biggest hits over time.

My point was change is what you make of it, I get why people don't like certain changes and I also get why some people do like them. That includes promoted English language singles.

If we look at the trojan horse image, the "westernised songs" are the ruse and the real killing part are the Korean songs. So the change there is a tactic that surprises and then entices people.

And yes, that's what I was referring to? People saying they miss the old bts meaning they miss older bts music.

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Basically summarizes everything I want to say

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I agree that they won't be making the music they made 5 years ago, they wouldn't make a Wings again (unless they decide to do a throw back style album) and that's perfectly natural.

5 years is a long time in kpop years.

The thing she said about Asian Fetishisation missed the mark though imo. It's a big claim she made and she didn't explain it.

The last tweet is

"when someone says they miss the old bts"

In my experience it takes only one song, or two songs that are different in a significant way from everything else for people to say an artist has changed

Just gotta carry on enjoying what you like, change isn't a bad thing if you like the change

double post, delete, sorry