Posts by Yama-Chan

Quote from lahel

MooMoos being very active .. till Mamamoo's cb's were fewer and far btwn after 2016

Well this simply isn't correct. 2017 was a light year for Mamamoo, as they mostly spent that time on their concerts and some solo work from Wheein primarily, but 2018? Mamamoo released four mini-albums that year. The content didn't slow down until 2020.

As for the actual topic, NewJeans is doing things no girl group has ever done, and they're doing it while barely being half a year old. That's impressive no matter the generation.

It's too soon to compare them to Twice, but do we honestly need to? Instead of calling them the next Twice, I'm content to say they're the first NewJeans, and they're already in uncharted territory.

Quote from NewWeaves

I’ve been a Kpop fan since 2015. And that being said, BP are the biggest girl group of the third gen and it’s not even close

Okay.

Quote from NewWeaves

Yes I Am had the highest ul numbers in 24 hours for a gg song until DDDD came out. It didn’t have as good of longevity as their other songs but it had the biggest initial start.

BP were literally rookies no one expected them to squash anything you clearly just made that up. That being said, AIIYL is a bigger hit than anything twice put out since TT

I literally said Yes I Am had a really hot start. Don't quote me if you're not going to actually take the time to read what you're responding to.

But honestly, we're going to disengage here, if you're going to accuse me of making anything up.

I think I've made it very clear that I'm a passionate Mamamoo fan, and was heavily involved in all the girl group discussions during the peak of the 3rd generation.

Believe me when I say that I'm not making up anything when it comes to how disrespectful people were being towards Mamamoo, when it was announced BP would be releasing a song on the same day.

And I certainly remember the follow up conversations when Mamamoo was outcharting them for the first month.

Were you even a K-Pop fan back then? The stuff people are (deservedly) saying about NewJeans now is the same kind of stuff people said about BlackPink back then.

Quote from NewWeaves

You make some points but TWICE were the e undisputed #1 gg after TT dropped. They had triple the album sales of the second best selling 3rd gen gg at the time (RV) and were on top digitally (mamamoo was bigger in 2017 but not by a lot). What made twice different was they were huge in japan which contributed to their large YouTube views far ahead of their competitor except for BP.

What Twice did in 2016 was done by BP 2020 o and onwards.

I mean, I'm pretty sure I acknowledged and explicitly stated Twice was the top girl group in K-Pop back then, and I also know very well that they sold more albums than anyone, with IOI being the only group to approach them in that category.

My point is that it wasn't like they had weak competition, and people need to put some respect on the names of their competition.

The other girl groups were behind them but not so far behind you couldn't even see them in the rear view mirror.

Quote from elliejr

Didnt Mamamoo had their biggest hit in 2017 with yes I am?? And ioi literally existed for what like 9 months.??

No.

Mamamoo had several songs that had overall better digital/charting performance than Yes I Am. Both You're The Best and Decalcomanie were bigger hits than Yes I Am, and they both came out in 2016.

Starry Night was also much bigger than Yes I Am, and came out in 2018. And HIP was also one of their biggest hits and came out in 2019.

But I will always adore Yes I Am, for how hot it came out the gates on its release, and humbling a lot of people who expected Mamamoo to get squashed by BlackPink(who dropped AIIYL the exact same day as Mamamoo's YIA)

Both sides of this argument are being incredibly obtuse and annoying.

Acting like Twice had no competition is just plain stupid. I'm not going to mince words here. Not one, not two, not three but four other girl groups scored a Perfect All-Kill on the charts in 2016 (Mamamoo, BlackPink, GFriend, IOI).

If you weren't actually around for the 3rd generation girl group war, then don't speak on what you don't know. The other girl groups didn't just roll over for Twice, and at least digitally, competition was fierce, even if Twice was the clear leader.

But what's also disingenuous is acting like Twice was miles ahead of the other girl groups. They were the obvious top girl group in K-Pop at their peaks, but they didn't lap the competition many times over.

Even in 2016, I distinctly remember fierce arguments in discussing Rough vs. Cheer Up (Twice vs GFriend), and yours truly was personally involved in any discussion that involved Mamamoo. I have the battle scars to prove it.

Do not treat Mamamoo like an after-thought. They were huge in their peaks too, and the Korean public loved them. For example, in 2016, their episode of SNL got even higher ratings than Twice's. Which kind of goes back to both of my points.

Twice had plenty of competition in their peak. Their top girl group spot wasn't just handed to them.

AND

There wasn't that big of a gap between them and the other top girl groups. The gap was definitely biggest overall in 2016, but come on.

Quote from NopeNopeNopeNope

Mamamoo having more longevity at the peak than Red Velvet was the biggest surprise for me.

Not all that surprising honestly. Mamamoo were digital monsters in their own right at their peak. Between their group releases, and solo tracks, they had a #1 song on Melon from 2016 until 2020. And like the other top girl groups of their generation, they have a Perfect All-Kill to their name. Starry Night was also a longevity monster (and HIP would be too if it counted but it peaked at #2--I forgot what song blocked it).

Peak Mamamoo could hang with any girl group on the charts, including Twice and BlackPink.

First time I was in Seoul it was in the low 20s Fahrenheit. In Mid-March.

Good luck and have fun.

Quote from itiswhatitisss

Cheer Up, TT, Knock Knock, Signal, Likey, Heartshaker, What is Love, DTNA and Yes or Yes all hit #1 on the weekly chart

It's all coming back to me now. I'm assuming this is the Melon Weekly chart, or are we talking Gaon?

Either way, when I think or see #1, I think it's the song that charted the highest, longest and/or accumulated the most streams. That's why I was confused.

I'm rusty. Thanks for the clarification.

I think you're just learning that humans have the potential to not be the best of species that inhabit the planet. It ain't a Korean only issue.

Does Twice really have that many #1 songs? Because I was deep in the K-Pop sauce during that entire stretch, as a huge and still huge Mamamoo fan, and this is how I at least remember the top girl group songs each year, starting in 2016:

2016: Cheer Up

2017: Red Flavor

2018: Dududu

2019: Fancy/Kill This Love/HIP

2020: Psycho/Lovesick Girls (someone will have to remind me of what Twice dropped this year...More and More?)

2021: I'm not even sure (this is where I kind of disengaged from K-Pop/took a break)

2022: Fourth Gen Domination

So out of the years I can vividly remember, I'd say 2016 was the only one where Twice absolutely dominated digitally and/or had the best charting song among their peers.

Did they really get #1 over Red Flavor and Dududu? That can't be right.

I don't get what's so remotely controversial about this thread.

NewJeans is stacking up PAK hours and climbing up the all-time list for any K-Pop song ever, occupies all top 3 spots on the Melon, and one of those songs was released in July, and would probably be the top song on the charts today, if not for their own songs blocking it.

Oh, and Attention is sitting pretty in the top 10 with those other 3 songs.

This would be like BlackPink dropping Stay and Playing with Fire, and then watching both top the charts, with Boombayah rising back into the top 3 and Whistle rising back to the top 10.

Actually, scratch that. To perfectly mirror NewJeans, Whistle would actually have to surpass the initial chart topper Boombayah, and then rise to the top 3.

Insane.

But even they have never done something like this to start their careers, and no other 4th generation girl group has performed like this on the charts. Only NewJeans.

The silly complaints raised in this thread would be valid if people were using these numbers to say NewJeans is already the biggest girl group ever, but this thread was made only to praise the accomplishment itself. Which IS amazing.

And releasing a lot of music is no guarantee you'll have some of the best charting tracks in the history of the charts. Like...what?!

If you have a problem with this thread, you have some serious insecurities about the sudden, meteoric rise and dominance of NewJeans.

Quote from ISaidISaid

I really don’t and people who actually see how I post know that now you’re looking like a fool so take this L and go away.

Sounds like a you problem.

Maybe you shouldn't take it so personally when people don't agree with your opinion on a public forum. I don't think you're cut out for this.

Literally in here with a "people know how I post!" defense, as if that justifies the trash you've put in this thread.

If this topic is indicative of how you usually post, I feel sorry for the people who had to endure that misinformed nonsense.

The court of public opinion clearly matters deeply to you. Let's review the evidence.

OP: Not many groups have done what NewJeans are doing (fact). This is amazing (also fact).

You ( ): That is a false equivalence! It's too early to crown them!!! NewJeans might be riding a wave!!!

I rest my case.

Quote from ISaidISaid

This is a you problem [2]

And you have a NewJeans problem

Quote from ISaidISaid

Again this is a you problem. I’ve liked NJ and commented about it on multiple threads.

I’ve made similar claims about waiting for aespa last year, Gidle earlier this year etc. instead of taking things personally try to be more open minded.

Your past activity in other threads is irrelevant to your behavior in this thread, which is growing more defensive by the response.

Am I the one in here blocking and personally attacking users, making baseless accusations and getting salty over things nobody even said?

You problem indeed.

It's okay to admit you are bothered by all the NewJeans praise and attempted to put things in (your) perspective, even if the attempt was misguided

Obviously this exchange has run its course. Unless you're going to further explain why "NewJeans is doing amazing" and "not many groups can do this" is a false equivalence, there's no point in continuing.

Quote from ISaidISaid

This is a you problem.

Examine how defensive you are, when you were the first person to respond, in the negative, to a thread that simply said NewJeans are doing amazing.

Nobody crowned them. Nobody said no group has ever dominated the charts like this before.

You were just bothered by a NewJeans praise thread and wanted to rain on the praise parade. That is the definition of a you problem.

Quote from ISaidISaid

No one is dismissing anything. You can say NJ did well and also wait for at least 1-2 years before crowing them. It’s called common sense.

No authentic statement of praise ever started with the phrase "they're good but..", and then you accused people of a "false equivalence" because they're taking the time to appreciate NewJeans' incredible chart dominance.

Common sense should tell you that "not many groups can pull this off" does not equate to "crowning" them. That's what we call attacking a strawman by the way.

Common sense should also tell you that it's ludicrous to tell people to wait freaking 2 years to express appreciation for what NewJeans have accomplished in a very short amount of time.

Are you even reading what you're typing?

Quote from ISaidISaid

NJ is really good but I feel most groups also didn’t have 5 title track/promoted releases in like what 6 months lol so it would be bit of a false equivalence.

My brother/sister in christ, you absolutely cannot dismiss this accomplishment by attributing it to release schedule.

The release schedule is irrelevant if the public doesn't have a huge interest in the songs or group.

You think NewJeans is the first group to do this? Because they aren't.

They are the first group to do this kind of chart dominance basically with their debut though.

Just appreciate the history books being re-written before our very eyes.

I know this is a troll thread, but an interesting conversation is buried beneath this trash.

I've been a K-Pop fan for a solid decade now. So I was deeply immersed in the culture by the time Twice showed up.

I think it's far too early to compare Twice's overall dominance and impact in 2016 to NewJeans, who are just barely getting started, however...

Even peak Twice has never done to the charts what NewJeans is doing currently, and the trend line for NewJeans is surging upward. If they keep this momentum, they'll be one of the biggest K-Pop groups ever.

I'm a lifetime Mamamoo fan.

I can't ignore the charms of Le Sserafim and NewJeans