Posts by Karl-III

Quote from red11

JYP seems to just be stuck in a dead production cycle across the board. The majority of their titles seem to be underperforming.

Maybe it's not JYP, he makes music and overall it's good music, Bet on Me and Mr Vampire are his best works in recent years, but I didn't see any response from listeners and it was very strange. If they released a track like Dalla Dalla, people would just start criticizing it for its outdated sound again, and the question arises, what to release. They make a lot of different music and how many of the 20 conditional tracks in the last couple of years have been noticed by the general public?

Quote from Selynn

Seriously, they heard this song and said yes. I don't think even someone with simple music taste would want this song to be the title track. Maybe their companies are sabotaging them on purpose. Itzy's clear musical direction doesn't matter, jyp at least could gave them a listenable music. It would have made more sense if they had chosen one of the bsides from the album this time. The 2nd title track are more listenable and good in my opinion. Album songs was nice only title track is very weird.

If these tracks are good, why don't they show the same results as the titles? No need to talk about, Day6 promotion - Happy was not promoted, this track is good, that's why it is so high, like many other Day6 tracks

Quote from Tr12345

Nah, the song is just bad. I can’t lie to myself and say it's on par with Supernova or any Ive songs, even though they’re produced by the same people. We all know it’s not.

So, it’s safe to say the problem lies with JYP itself. Whoever is managing Itzy just has poor taste while those handling Ive and Aespa have better judgment. People forget that producers don’t determine the final product and don’t have much power to shape the song—they work based on the company’s requests. If JYP is asking for this kind of sound and approving this song, the blame lies with them, not the producers.

At this point, it’s a company-wide problem because not only is Itzy affected, but their other girl groups are as well. Clearly, it’s not the producers' fault; the people in charge just have terrible taste and vision.

But if you compare Heya and I Am, you will understand that the company does not decide anything. Heya is simply a bad track, it is not surprising that it failed in the charts, and the previous IVE tracks were so-so. It is unlikely that someone from the company chooses the track, they give the direction of the track so that the producer can do something based on it.

YG - lost their main asset, will take a long time to recover with BM. SM - is just at the bottom, its main group RIIZE is having difficulties, aespa had a good year in terms of numbers, but had a weak tour. HYBE - problems with plagiarism, disputes with one of the top groups, no prospects for the future, everything is based on BTS who may not sign a contract. JYP - StrayKids are feeling good now, but the company has no prospects. I would choose YG, since they have already passed the bottom.

Quote from Taemin-Identity

Well I’m talking about JYP entertainment as a company of itzy not the person!

It is up to company to decide give the songs!

Ryan Jun or Dem Joints can’t decide to give Itzy the songs that suit their vocal range!

Should I show you my playlist?

30% of my kpop playlist has JYP songs

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JYP tells the producer "we want a modern track", the producer already assembles a team that ultimately makes this track. Including the producer looks for people who determine the vocal range and based on this, something is created, why should JYP even think about tracks or a group when they pay money for others to do it. I have heard many bad tracks from aespa, IVE, TXT, Le Sserafim, etc., even the same Crazy is just a terrible track, where the vocals are cut to a minimum, but nevertheless, some consider the track good and did not notice strong negativity as with the same Gold. I am trying to figure out why in relation to one group all tracks, even bad ones, have a good impact, and in relation to another, any track is a failure.

Quote from Taemin-Identity

Again it is not up to producers to determine the vocal ranges of singers and give them the songs that suits them!

It is company that forces the singers to sing in this type of way!

But in this particular song it is very very obvious that itzy girls are screaming not singing!

JYP should’ve done better job giving more suitable song or they should’ve lowered the key of the song

You somehow brought JYP into the discussion, making it the culprit. I can tell you just don't like JYP, so you think any of their tracks are bad, regardless of quality.

Quote from Taemin-Identity

It is JYP who is giving direction to Dem Joints

And this song is clearly out of the Itzy’s vocal range!

Jyp is the company who forced Twice to sing in cutesy nasal type of way, jyp is the one that gave itzy cheshire(it my top 3 itzy song but it is clearly out of their vocal range)

And it is not a surprise that kpop company gives songs to their artists which are not in their vocal range

The main character there is Ryan Juhn and from your words he is an idiot who cannot determine the vocal range of singers. What does JYP have to do with it?

Quote from Taemin-Identity

Dem joints produces mostly for SM groups and he mostly produces experimental kpop songs!

Step back by GOT the beat, Supernova by Aespa, Nct songs and others

But company gives direction to the producer when asking for something! And JYP is sh*t at producing experimental songs! Also even after receiving the final product company makes a lot of changes!

Example Supernova by Aespa- SM cut half of the dance break part, and added more instrumental in the second half of the dance break so it doesn’t sound odd, boring and flat!

Jyp is just really really bad at making and directing experimental music!

Like they don’t even know after 5-6 years itzy’s vocal ranges to give them this song?

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So in your opinion, the group of producers working with ITZY are idiots who can't determine the singer's vocal range?

Quote from Yohanee

no, what i meant is that he clearly made the song pursuing itzy's worst sounds, rather than their best. itzy concept is like a weird obnoxious mess. despite this, in almost all of their terrible songs, there is a part that sticks out and makes it better. gold is completely devoid of any saving grace. i think if he had focused on itzy's better songs as inspiration, it could have been good.

itzy has proven that there is a way to orchestrate their concept in a way that works, but lately none of their songs have been accomplishing that. regardless of whether or not a producer has made good music before, if they are focusing in on the wrong aspects, it is bound to come out bad.

Born to be was in the style of young ITZY, but the track did not become a hit, as well as a couple of other tracks from the album, neither Dynamit nor Kill shot, this is exactly in the bold sound of the group. The question is, why?

Quote from Yohanee

as someone who cares about kpop mostly for the music, i really believe this is not true.

itzy has some of the worst music of any gg right now. when itzy has released good songs, like loco, wannabe, dalla dalla, they have done well. when they release music like this though, you just can't expect people to like it.

i believe their song is this bad even though it's a good producer is because they were trying to match itzy music feeling. when you write for ive, you write for ive, but when you write for itzy, well you get an itzy song.

they just need to do something different that isn't this

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Okay, a professional can't make a good track based on a group's concept? When a producer can make cool tracks for different groups, it means he feels them, but ITZY's problem is that no producer can write them a good track based on your words.

Quote from Selynn

Maybe they deliberately gave the songs they did the worst job on or maybe it's not intentional, it might be because Jyp bought it cheaper this is the reason i guess. I mean, since it can't be intentional that they have a bad song every time, I personally think it's because Jyp bought the song for a cheap price.

At a low price? At a low price, average producers sell, top producers sell tracks at one price - a high one. And in general, there is no concept of sales, the company pays the producer for the work.

Quote from Taemin-Identity

Untouchable and born to be are 100 times better than than this mess

As Cheshire(one of their best songs) was 100 better than cake and sneakers

This song is just outright bad and they are screaming! This song is out of their vocal range

I also often hear "name track" better than this, but neither Untouchable nor Born to Be did well in the charts and there was also talk that the tracks were just bad.

Quote from Tru-Multistan

lmao y'all always do this, the song is not good and that's all there is to it. Clearly the majority is not liking it, there's not some movement against ITZY.

The last song was also bad, the one before that too, why is every release from the group bad, and yet professionals are involved in its creation?

I started watching them with Cheshire and I have never seen people unanimously say that a title is good. But constantly, a bad track expected better, it already looks ridiculous.

Quote from draggehz

omg i just saw the song credits and the song suddenly became good u right

Yes, if a person has released a bunch of hits, then he knows how to make music and even his worst work sounds good. For some reason, when Ryan Juhn writes for IVE, it's always hits, but when he writes for ITZY, it's a failure. So what difference does it make who writes tracks for ITZY if you don't like the next comeback, and so on. The question to ask here is, why don't you like ITZY?

Quote from kahei

I love Itzy, especially Yeji and Yuna. This song was overall just... not good. That is not Itzy's fault and I doubt people hate Itzy for that. Most of what I've seen is criticism towards the producer and JYP itself.

Ok, JYP gave ITZY a top producer, so it turns out that the producer is solely to blame if we're talking about the quality of the track.

The producer of Gold is Ryan S. Jhun, you understand that the producer who wrote more than one hit, a bonus Dem Jointz who worked with top artists. That is, professionals worked on the track, but people did not like it. It is hard to believe that Ryan Jhun does a bad job, hence the conclusion: people just do not like ITZY. Even if you invite a Grammy-level producer, people will still say that the track is bad and that they expected better.

No, I have a normal life. I like listening to music, but it doesn't affect anything, I just like music. The images of these people are created as ideals, ideal people do not exist.

Jennie is trending really well in Korea. I think the picture is obvious.

NewJeans are now children of the nation, you have no idea how influential they are in Korea even without HYBE promotion. Aespa had a great year, but NewJeans are too influential.

If you look at the Melon chart, for example, which is the most popular chart, there are simply a huge number of NJ songs, even Hype Boy and Attention are still there, and these are just their first tracks.

Quote from bTTTSSSSS

HYBE said in court "Even if she is reappointed as CEO, the possibility of convening the board again to dismiss her cannot be ruled out."

Even if court grants an injunction again and reinstates MHJ as CEO, they will remove her again.

But why does MHJ want to come back as CEO as she a problem with Hybe, their multi label system, their working, why does she want to go back as CEO in a company who is 80% owned by Hybe.

They fired him once, we see the result, investors all left, the company's stock is unstable, Hybe is losing money. Do you think the company's reputation will only benefit if MHJ is fired a second time? They need to accept defeat and make all concessions to MHJ, otherwise the company will continue to suffer losses, regardless of whether BTS and SVT are active or not.