Posts by Competence2

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I call you moron because only a moron would bring up something that's totally exposing his own hypocricy back to the table. You literally cope and seethe here about how idols being forced to wear clothers that are little revealing are being "sexualized" by their company yet back then you were claiming a nipple cover isn't considered as "topless" you fucking loser.

do you have brain damage? There’s literally zero correlation in what you’re saying, it’s starting to get concerning. How does an idol’s comfort level in being sexualised have any relevance with what constitutes as topless or not? A company can make an idol cover up all her boobs with a tube top but it’d still be exploiting her if she doesn’t want to wear it. Coversely, another idol might like to wear nipple covers of her own free will and it won’t be a violation against her if she wears them in public.

Meanwhile, none of this has literally anything to do with what topless means re: nipple covers. Literally zero correlation.

Man you’re truly out of it aren’t ya. Truly hopeless. Loser is too mild to describe what’s going on here

Not the moron who thinks men wearing transparent condoms that barely cover your dick and do not cover your balls and arse at all is exactly the same as women wearing nipple covers under another outfit calling other people moron Truly moronic

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bro weewee you forgot me ? Impossible

whi i know its your 27th alt so you gotta maintain low profile but still come on you pretending u don't know me is a bit hurtful

imagine giving a fuck about appeasing internet mods and quivering in fear and having to watch what you say in order not to offend their fragile ego and delicate sensibilities even tho you did and said nothing wrong especially re: their incompetence 😂 or worse, shilling for such blatant incompetence and never questioning the injustice just bc it comes from someone who has power 😂

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Competence2 can u agrue with OP pls, i wanna see who wins.

nugujuseo

no compensation no demands

Kpop stans on a speed run to destroy every metric measuring popularity in existence with their obsession in fabricating success for “their faves” (who don’t know who they are and don’t care) in a fucked up dick measuring contest

‘Tis why it always urks me when people brag about top kpop groups’ mega inflated album sales nowadays, as if it’s something to feel proud of. Yeah your mega popular faves got your hard-earned money (it’s mostly chaebol’s money tho) deposited into a bunch of useless crap to make you feel better about yourself, congrats, now stfu and continue to trash the environment in silence at least, it’s very annoying. Helping out mid to low tier and nugu artists with an extra few tens of thousands of sales at least helps put food on their table and get them a career, but when the group in question is already set for life and doesn’t need to work a single day if they choose not to, there’s no justification in buying so many more copies to the point each group gets inflated with millions of album sales more with each release. It all becomes waste and benefits nothing. Obsessively doing whatever it takes to help some strangers chase some meaningless records ain’t gonna make your life any better ✌️

Quote from Dreamer95

That's exactly MY point, you imbecile, thanks for finally getting there, even if it took you walls of text.

Again, not reading the rest of the book you just wrote.

nah, that's not what came across in your bs at all. you're just not aware of how smelly it ranked, or choose not to, but either way it's a hopeless case. stay being a bigot ig

i'd rather have a stroke while fighting for good than spewing bs demeaning women all the time on the internet like a true pos 😊 love that for me 😊

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So, their fans love to buy their album but didn't want to follow them on social media?

I like this logic.

just gonna let you marinate on that for awhile to see the obvious elephant in the room lol

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You can follow only one time but you can buy however many albums you want.

op didn't think this through for sure

some people have more time and effort and money to spend on bulk buying albums than on spamming a million votes a day across multiple platforms it happens

not all fandoms act the same, no person is the same, don't know why yall always expect every group to turn out exactly the same way and then puzzle when they don't

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We don't have societies in our world where forcing women to show skin is a widespread problem. However we do societies where millions of women are still forced to cover everything but face or even eyes. So shut the fuck up you moron who gets mad at scenaries made up in your head.

You fucking obsessed crazy ass stalker, who the fuck you even are??? Is it an alt or smth? I don't remember you and I don't even remember talking about lgbt on this forum, what kind of insane person you are, go see a doctor. And if you ARE gonna bring up something I don't even remember saying, then at least bring up the context where that said sentence was used otherwise I just call that bullshit.

None of that is close to anything they do now. Lisa did a strip show and then posted her half nked pics on instagram, she'd never do that before. And don't even get me started about Hwasa, she's literally touching her crotch on scene.

Are you having a stroke? Wtf are you even saying? Since you live in a culture where women aren't allowed to show skin, it means forcing women from other cultures to show skin is not that big a deal and won't violate them much more than making them do aegyo? Is that your logic?

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? The whole point is women should have control over how they want to dress, whether modestly or daringly. They should be the ones who have consent over themselves, not you, not me, not society dictating what they do to their own body. If someone wants to show more skin, they should. If they want to cover up, they should. Forcing them to show skin against their will is just as bad as forcing to them cover their skin against their will. You're disrespecting their wishes regarding their body either way. THAT'S the point. It's not about showing skin or not. It's about taking away their will and consent. So forcing women in one culture to show skin when she doesn't want to is just as bad as forcing one in another culture to cover up when she doesn't want to. Are you really this stupid and mentally challenged that you can't process this simple logic?

How the fuck you failed to realise that women are oppressed in your culture in exactly the same way women in other cultures are violated when forced to show skin against their will is beyond me. And then trying to use your culture to claim violating a woman's wishes regarding her body (showing skin in idols' case) is not more serious than just making them smile for the camera? Like i said, scum

Your bad memory is your problem, not mine. I could link to your bigotry later if you still want, but this is already too long an essay so whatever

The sad thing is you failed to understand your own point: The thing you said about lisa doing the cabaret show literally does not have anything to do with what you said in this thread's op.

First, you wanted to act smug towards kpop fans for thinking it's the companies who forced sexualisation on idols, but you picked hwasa and lisa as examples, when neither of them was barred from being sexy, and neither of their fandoms ever criticised their companies for oversexualising them, rendering your smugness towards imaginary people completely meaningless and stupid. That's L number 1

Second, hwasa and lisa doing more daring things after doing solo activities is not proof of them being oppressed sexually whilst still working in their previous company. It could be entirely the idols who decided not to take it too far whilst still being heavily attached to their group earlier in their career, but now that they're more established and have more autonomy as a solo artist, they've branched out even more towards what they like. We can't pin this on either the company or the idol - we don't know what goes on behind the scene. You seem incapable of understanding nuance and growth over time, and that not all idols are narcissists who only care about themselves and not their coworkers who might be affected by their actions. That's L number 2

None of what you said has any merit. You just think you do lol

Quote from Dreamer95

And I think you're a religious hypocrite cunt who thinks the more clothers on a woman the better.

Ironic coming from someone who wrote me a wall of text when I didn't even want to engage with you in the first place.

Because they didn't, or at least Lisa didn't do that while in company you moron. Which shows that company was putting boundaries on her, which you think is okay, as long as it is towards "modesty".

1) don’t put words in people’s mouth, your incel energy is showing. Forcing a woman to show skin and disrespecting her wishes regarding her body does not equal asking her to smile and act cute for the camera. Both can be overbearing demands but they are not equal in terms of violating the person in question. This mentality isn’t the gotcha moment you think it is

Also, you have no room to talk regarding “religious cunts” when your attitude towards the lgbt community is that they didn’t deserve rights in the past bc it wasn’t acceptable at the time lmao

2) no one forced you to engage, you did that yourself. I just responded to bs that reeked too badly, like i do all the time, it’s not personal 😊 if you didn’t want to engage then don’t, it’s simple as that. No gun’s being pointed at your head

3) literally posted earlier in this thread:

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your claim is plain false. Hwasa and lisa were free to be sexy as they wish once their groups were secure, as long as it didn’t affect the group. There’s literally a mountain of evidence. No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise, it can’t change the past. Again, for the nth time, no kpop stan with eyes claimed hwasa and lisa were forced to be sexy, and they did own sexy very well.

what a big fat L this turned out for you

Quote from Dreamer95

Yes, that's what I said and the only thing you finally got right, congratulations. Who says the two things aren't equally bad? Sharia law? Bible? Who the fuck are you to be morality of what's right or not?

you can think whatever you want. I never set out to become a warden trying to educate or change prisoners. I just addressed your own question, which you didn’t even get ironically and made up some bs i never said to try to undermine my point you didn’t get.

I think you’re scum for thinking the two things are equally as bad. You can disagree, I don’t care. And don’t waste your breath replying if you just want to refute this. I won’t change my mind, just like you obviously won’t change yours.

Ps: no kpop stan ever claimed hwasa and lisa were forced to act sexy by their company, so your calling out these imaginary people you picked out specifically for your argument is extra dumb That’s my whole point you didn’t get, on top of the previous point, but whatever, i’m tired of calling out your obvious lack of logic and sense

Quote from Dreamer95

You really are desperate to talk to me, aren't you?

You're writing walls of texts while you lost the entire point and I am not even sure I want to explain it to someone so dumb. I am not saying that agencies "should be sexualizing idols" you ape, I am saying "how do you know they are the ones doing it in a given case"?

My point is that while idols are contracted, every fucking time they show the skin fans automatically assume it is the company doing it against their will, when it isn't necessarily the case. If we have a legit prove of idols being indeed sexualizing against their will like Stellar for example, then sure, go on and be upset as much as you want.

you seconds ago: “why is forcing idols to act cute as bad as forcing idols to act sexy”

The whole point is the two things aren’t equally as bad. One is much worse. My post literally answered this exact question you posed and you didn’t even get that. Imagine trying to call other people dumb

No one assumed you think companies should force idols to act sexy. You pulled that out of your arse lmao it literally has zero correlation with my post, you just made it up bc you didn’t grasp the simple point So not dumb, indeed

Quote from Dreamer95

But then again, if idol wants a sexy concept but agency enforces modesty on them, why isn't it treated as equally violating and bad?

Quote from Competence2

There’s a big fat chunk of sexy ggs out there who were never offered the option to decide how far they had to take it, and there’s literally a lot of evidence of idols speaking out about being pushed far past what they were comfortable with against their will. You want to ignore all those cases, just to have a “gotcha” moment with kpop fans that never had any ground to stand on in the first place? And even if your claim was true, it’s still much less unethical and morally exploitative to ask idols to do aegyo here and there than it is to make them show their skin and literally flash their vag if they they don’t want to. Can’t believe you actually tried to argue otherwise. Scum behaviour tbh

Not you actually equating the two situations fr for a dumbass gotcha moment that isn’t even true Scumbags gotta scumbags ig

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I am not reading all that shit. Good for you, or sorry it happened.

i’m sorry for your illiteracy, as anticipated. Luckily there’s already a condensed version previously provided for the challenged like you, enjoy

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Dreamer:

hurr durr isn't it ironic that kpop fans always blame agencies for sexualising female idols when idols only start to sexualise themselves as soon as when they go separate ways (referring specifically to hwasa and lisa)

What a major L inflected on yourself by no one but yourself lmao

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Quote from loneranger1

bla bla bla

there are all kind of feminist, not just on kind hon. And every one is entitle to do with their being whatever they want. Hide their body, show their body. IF i a girl wants to glow up has the same rights to the one how does not want to shave her legs. So f*ck off and don`t try to tell me WICH KIND OF FEMINISM IS OK

Again, truly spoken like someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about lol

I never said a damn thing about controlling how women dress or show their skin - that’s obviously an archaic misogynistic thing to do, and it’s nobody’s business but their own. That’s just basic decency lol. Has nothing to do, tho, with my point about faux-feminists who hide behind that label to spew the most vile, hateful shit and display dismissive attitudes towards women who they deem to be an-feminist for stupid, superficial reasons like their outward appearance or interests or attitudes etc. It’s a counter-productive practice and go against real feminist values. That’s not what actual feminism stands for. You lose any credibility you have if you think you can do whatever you want and are above criticism as long as you call yourself a feminist lmao

Hwasa and Lisa whilst still heavily promoting with mamamoo and bp under rbw and yg's contracts:

Dreamer:

hurr durr isn't it ironic that kpop fans always blame agencies for sexualising female idols when idols only start to sexualise themselves as soon as when they go separate ways (referring specifically to hwasa and lisa)

What a major L inflected on yourself by no one but yourself lmao

Quote from Dreamer95

I am glad my thread is giving you and 7 other idiots a false sense of intelectual superiority but the only dumb person here is you. "Anyone with eyes can see" it NOW, only after they left they either renogotiated or left their respective labels. Now think how many idols are there who are still restricted by their contract and rethink the term "majority" that you used.

you’re actually serious and doubling down rn? I can’t

Do not fucking talk to me about hwasa or lisa if you never followed them from day one and couldn’t see their desire for self expression that blinked as clearly as a fucking lightbulb from the start. They were never the type to be contained and restricted, and rbw and yg never tried to, at least in regards to their sexuality. They were always free to be sexy, and your claim that they only started to sexualise themselves after they left their companies is blatantly false. These are the two absolute worst examples you can possibly think of to prove your point lmao

Now if you turned to idols like lovelyz’s mijoo or gfriend’s yuju, you might have a case to argue some idols prefer a more mature route for their career than what their company planned for them, except you failed to also consider their groups’ overwhelmingly different image, and how it would be a detrimental blow to the whole group’s existing marketability/reputation if an individual idol could suddenly do a 180 however they wanted on their own. It’d be one thing if their groups’ direction veered sexy from the start, but it didn’t. This is not the same case with groups like mamamoo or bp, whose image was always more free since the beginning (hence why your examples are dumb). So you can’t really fault lovelyz or gfriend’s companies for not altering the rest of the members’ future and possibly pushing them past their comfort level just to appease a single individual’s wish. It should only be done with consent from all members, and we did see woolim and source music eventually show their groups’ maturity once they aged out of their rookie era (obliviate and fever/apple/mago come to mind), so you can’t even claim these companies never listened or allowed their idols to mature. It’s not like yuju suddenly pulled out pole dancing only after she went solo - she did it in a gfriend mv lol.

There’s a big fat chunk of sexy ggs out there who were never offered the option to decide how far they had to take it, and there’s literally a lot of evidence of idols speaking out about being pushed far past what they were comfortable with against their will. You want to ignore all those cases, just to have a “gotcha” moment with kpop fans that never had any ground to stand on in the first place? And even if your claim was true, it’s still much less unethical and morally exploitative to ask idols to do aegyo here and there than it is to make them show their skin and literally flash their vag if they they don’t want to. Can’t believe you actually tried to argue otherwise. Scum behaviour tbh

This is one of your dumbest threads in a long while. Not a single person in their right mind ever claimed rbw or yg forced hwasa or lisa to go sexy, bc anyone with eyes can see hwasa and lisa like being sexy and want to explore that side of themselves, willingly. This is in direct contrast to the majority of “sexy” ggs (especially in 2nd gen), where most female idols always looked extremely uncomfortable having to comply with whatever demanded of them by their company, and some have even subsequently spoken out about this exploitation (i’d argue it’s even a violation in some cases) later on. Your examples to prove your non-existent point could not be any dumber

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typical girlboss wave of "feminism"

either a woman who hates on women or a sexit pig

good job on being as toxic as the comments on nj

applause

standing ovation

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spoken like a true someone who doesn’t know what the fuck they’re talking about You should look up what girlboss really entails before running your trap in some sort of foolish outrage and thinking you’re a righteous warrior fighting for good or sth lol

The term is conversely used with sarcastic and pejorative undertones, to denote women who attempt to raise their professional lives by practicing the same abusive and materialistic practices found in the patriarchal society.

The current brand of surface-level, subtle-as-a-sledgehammer, lacking-in-nuance, black-and-white feminism prevalent on social media and bleeding onto the outside world is truly a blight on what true feminism should be fighting for and diminishes so much of the efforts made to actually further women’s rights by people who have some sense in their head. It’s honestly fucking disgusting to read some of the shit being said and practiced disguised under the (false) feminism shield, and the worst, most ironic thing is that they actually believed they achieved sth. Braindead lot

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umm cultural appropriation?

ironically, since nj’s image is so vanilla and harmless (to the point some people claim they’re boring) and their concept is so far removed from the typical girlboss wave of “feminism” in recent years, which normally borrows elements of black culture in varying degrees, there’s no chance nj will ever do sth that can be misconstrued as “cultural appropriation” in the jobless sphere of the internet, and being “problematic” will probably be the last thing they’ll be dragged for by stan twitter lol. Hence only stupid conspiracies and dumb things to get mad over, like this, arising i guess