Until they do, I think Get Up has had the most impressive run of any girl group album in the states.
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The funny part is I've focused more on the strong peaks of BP's songs and them having more streams in the US originally. You just really wanted to fight over Ice Cream since you're so annoyed NJ didn't get that 9th week like you kept posting about. You considered those 8 weeks BP's record when you thought NJ would get 9 and "end" BP. After they tied, you changed your narrative.
Not at all. All of your posts are the same, redundant tangents that try to hide their lack of substance with a bunch of meaningless fallacy ridden exercises in circular logic. The diminishing returns kicked in a long time ago, and now that you've talked yourself into a corner, you're lashing out like a terrified stray.
In short, your responses are predictable and boring and all you do is repeat the same points that have already been dismissed.
Your quest to convince people to ignore the fact that BlackPink's Hot 100 peak was a collaboration with a bigger celebrity in the states, removing all context from the achievement, has failed. Entirely.
No matter how much you cry and scream, BlackPink will need to topIce Cream without a collaboration to prove you right. But until then, you're so painfully wrong.
But hey, at least you still have the option to be salty and facepalm all my responses to show that you're not emotionally distraught over this
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The irony being that you post so many sentences to say the same thing, and you call me redundant? I'm only doing it trying to figure out the best way to explain to someone with comprehension issues. You avoid so many points since you can't win, then just make random imagined stories like me being talked into a corner.
You have been unable to dismiss a single one of my points. I respond to all of yours, while you either avoid mine, bring out a random unrelated point, or seemingly, cry because NewJeans can't chart their songs at any respectable position.
Even without Ice Cream, BP has a handful of songs that charted at a higher peak than anything NewJeans did, so again you're making an irrelevant point. Even then, outside of the one other NJ fan, I've demonstrated using facts and trends about BP's charting pattern that shows that the song being in English is more of a factor than any collaborator. It's clear as day to those who can critically think for themselves.
Even without Ice Cream, BP has much more successful songs than New Jeans when you consider peak and longevity combined. Pink Venom has more points on the Hot 100 based on TalkoftheCharts in 6 weeks than SuperShy in 8 weeks.
Considering you've said you're stopping reading 3 or 4 times, and that you are going to stop responding once before, it's clear how salty you are and how deeply you are upset by this. Losing must be hard for you, so you're going to keep responding.
If your point meant anything, they would just say "Cardie B becomes the first female rapper to tophot 100" but they have to put "without any features" since they recognize it's already been done.
I'm sorry your aspirations in life peak at delusional declarations of victory in online arguments.
I feel zero need to even read anything you responded with, since it's already been disproven and/or exposed.
Your argument is specious, illogical and full of contradictions. Not to mention the mental gymnastics to make BP more impressive, when their body of work shouldn't require that kind of effort.
Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda. Didn't.
BlackPink didn't do what NewJeans did. And since you're so bad at debating, I effortlessly navigated you to a contradiction that effectively kills your sad little display today
If you want to champion peak, then that only supports everything I said about NewJeans and their peak performance on the Billboard 200.
If longevity is all that matters, then NewJeans outperformed BlackPink there, especially if you don't excessively weight a collaboration track with a bigger celebrity.
Thankfully NewJeans have both, and that is why you can figure out what font and size you want your L in.
You responded to some of my claims deep in my post, even after claiming you stopped reading three separate times. So there's another liefrom you. Honestly laughable how easy it is to catch you in lies.
You've managed to disprove nothing, in part due to your lies and incorrect statements coming back around for you. Your arguments are based on opinion, cherry-picked resources, and lmao "predictions." So it's not easy to beat you here. The only reason I have to do mental gymnastics is to figure out the best way for someone of your intellectual abilities to be able to comprehend basic facts and figures.
I have been championing both peak and longevity, since BP overall are stronger with the two. You haven't proven anything. My example of Pink Venom shows that. Higher peak, long enough longevity to have the best combination and ultimately be the most consumed. I have been focused on their advantage in peak or their songs, how their songs have more longevity in the upper rank, and their longevity on the album charts overall (again 51 weeks in the sales chart). You wish NewJeans had both to the same degree BP does, but they don't. They might one day, but crying isn't going to fix that.
Please go back to school if you're going to be this delusional and unable to comprehend things like this. Sorry about your loss.
the mental gymnastics some people use to put down ice cream it's crazy just not to admit that bp is doing better
people love to use excuses for blackpinkno the exception is the song being in English and radio support + mv
selena is just a bonus it could have been anyone it would be the same unless we had a bigger feature.
what about bts achievements? are we gonna discredit those? or we only do it with blackpink? it reminds me when people downplaying their album sales because of having a big fandom in China.
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The answer to their mental gymnastics is, as some lower-achieving individuals might say, "it's copium. Copium. Copium."
Calling a collaboration a collaboration isn't a put down.
Billboard itself literally differentiates the two. Please reference my Nicki Minaj example.
If BlackPink had other songs, that weren't collabs, that out performed Ice Cream, it would be entirely valid to be annoyed or upset...but they don't. And until they do, Ice Cream is a very bad measure of their charting power in the U.S., since Selena Gomez was on the track.
If you and that other fan of mine thinks that it's just a matter of "they just have to speak English and they'll chart higher and longer than ever before", then well, I guess we'll see.
BTS could do chart top 10 without a full English song though. Fake Love says hi.
Billboard differentiates the two in some circumstances but still counts things for both artists in other circumstances, so again, your point really holds no weight. The number 13 at 8 weeks is still recognized by billboard as BP is credited. You can have the record of longest unaccompanied charting song though. Won't change the low charting positions for NJ though.
The trend of their songs with the one English speaking song being the outlier doing better in an English speaking country is an easy point to grasp, you should be able to.
I wasn't saying BP has the same chart strength as BTS. Nor was I saying they can't hit #1 or top 10 with Korean songs. But their English songs have MUCH better longevity (dynamite, butter), again it's a very easy concept to grasp if you manage to try. I believe in you.
You have tried to give them the lion's share of the credit, even though Selena Gomez was and is a bigger celebrity in the United States. That is a delusional take, and even Forbes used the words "significantly boosted" to indicate the impact Selena had on their charting. Even if you disagree with Forbes, that take is representative of the pervasive sentiment towards the collaboration between the two artists, and it's disingenuous and, frankly, elementary to rely on a collaboration track to do your heavy lifting in a conversation about the relative performance of two individual artists on the Billboard.
I have already given a perfectly valid example of why this is flawed and not even officially accepted by Billboard itself.
Nicki had a #1 song before this, but guess what? It was a collaboration, and Cardi B was the rapper who got all the accolades and praise for being the first female rapper to hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100.
Quite honestly, of all the points to dig your heels on, when there were plenty of other avenues you could've taken to save your argument, this one was the least credible one you could've chosen.
BlackPink will never get full credit or even majority credit from major media or the general public for howIce Cream performed. The way you keep clinging to it only highlights how little faith you have in how their own songs have charted without any big name western collaborations.
Yes, and your point is? In order for Get Up to break records, that means someone else had to hold them? The fact of the matter is that Get Up charted more songs and has been selling more albums, and their best performing title track outperformed any BlackPink title track that didn't have Selena Gomez's name attached to it.
That is a more successful album. Full stop. Why go any further unless it's to move goal posts and do mental gymnastics around those same posts?
If other groups could do it, they would do it. NewJeans, so far, is the only girl group that can, and they're literally the first K-Pop girl group ever to do it. They're also first girl group ever to chart 5 songs in the Hot 100 in the same calendar year--that includes every girl group globally.
So far, we have a hypothetical scenario and downgrading Selena Gomez as the foundation for your argument. That's weak and brittle, and it shows.
Nobody cares about what could hypothetically happen in the context of a conversation about what groups have already done. I could make the most absurd projections imaginable based solely on the trajectory of NewJeans' career, but that's a nonsensical thing to do, because it's pure speculation.
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No need to lie, as I specified the total weeks spent earlier, before you started trying to flex over the fact 3 members of the peanut gallery thanked you for shit posting.
Who said anything about peak? I've only mentioned longevity. Does peak matter if a song stays on the Billboard Hot 100 for 1 week, while another song hits the top 50 but stays on the chart for 8 weeks total?
I love how people always move the goal posts and change the narrative when it's convenient. Peak performance matters until it doesn't, and longevity is all that matters until it doesn't and only peak performance should be heavily weighted.
Which is ironic. Because your entire argument about the Billboard 200 hinges on the longevity of BlackPink's albums sold and not its peak, which NewJeans tops them in.
You are not fooling anybody with that exercise in sophistry.
The truth is that I never bit off more than I can chew. You're just out of your weight class and getting delivered knock out punches that could've easily been avoided, if you just accepted the fact that you overreacted to one line and all it has served to do is further reinforce the point of said line.
Now I legitimately have better things to do than continue to, quite frankly, bully someone not equipped to engage in a good faith debate or do so without being emotionally fragile and deranged because someone has a different opinion on the Internet.
It was amusing for a bit though.
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Got caught lying again when I caught you about New Jeans being outside the top 40 on BB200 currently, so you wrote more than ever to cover it up lmao.
What you sent literally states "unaccompanied #1" and dilutes your point. Billboard still counts collaboration #1s towards an artist's cumulative #1's and share the credit. If she was the first, Nicki would hold the record of first female rapper to hit #1(idk female rap but I assume she is). But there's also the record of first SOLO #1. Doesn't take anything away from a shared #1.
Billboard counts collabs as part of someone's career #1s. They only keep track of unaccompanied #1's separately. For example, in articles they refer to Britnye Spears as having 5 #1 songs, despite one being with Rhianna.
Plenty of articles still tout Ice Cream's achievement, you can cherry pick however many you want. Your own example is weak considering the wording. You can cling to the it as much as you want since longevity of one song is the best attempt you have to put NewJeans on BP's level despite their songs all scraping the bottom of the chart repeatedly.
"fact of the matter is that Get Up charted more songs and has been selling more albums" How many times are you gonna lie? Get up charted more songs at once, but as we said it's an unimportant achievement since no one else does that. It's like crowing yourself for being the fastest person home when you live alone. The Album charted three songs just like Get Up did. The album has overall sold more. When Get Up reaches one million units in the US or charts 51 weeks on the sales chart, you can claim that. We can't predict the future, this aint the weather, honey.
The album is much more successful, full stop. period. You can make points base on assumption, but it isn't fact. BP charted two songs at the same time twice, they could easily do three considering their songs are consumed more as a whole.
You said "New Jeans will continue racking up weeks in the top 40 of the BB200" key word is continue. Your example is from the 8th week. In the 9th week it hit 42 and the 10th week 60. Sliding down the chart. Don't lie an use words like "continue" if you are unaware of the slide.
A song that peaks high often earns as much points as a song that sits at the bottom of the chart for a long time. For example a song can get 100,000 downloads (which happened this year with that Rich Men in Virginia song getting 147,000 in a week) and then 0 the next week, but it would still sell more than a song with longevity. You can survive at the bottom of the hot 100 with 8,000 or so downloads and almost no streaming. It would take more than 12 weeks before a song at the bottom of the chart would make as much impact/profit. Pink Venom with 6 weeks on the Hot 100, all of the first 6 being significantly higher than Super Shy's first 6 weeks, erase those two extra weeks easily. Chart position does certainly matter.
I'm sorry you lost this argument and kept lying kiddo, but keep deluding yourself every day when you get into this arguments with people.
But whatever. We are just running in circles at this point
Despite you saying that I've given reasons why it's not the case and a counter point that you have been unable to argue around. The exception is it being in English, Selena had not been doing well with her music at that time.
As I said. It's Pointless to keep debating it. Let's just agree to disagree
The point about them continuously improving their Korean song charting in the US each comeback, and Ice Cream being their only English single, is strong evidence that can't really be disagreed with. Unless you have a reason why their Korean songs from Square Up to The Album to Born Pink did better each time, with the exception of their English song doing even better outside of that trend.
Well BP never managed to get "only" 20 positions again, nor have managed to chart for as long as Selena. Your post makes me believe Blackpink can grab another #13 at any moment. The fact is: They won't
They have their opportunity already during Pink Venom and Shut Down (and even LSG to some extent) eras. They never overcome Ice Cream neither in peak, nor in longevity
At this point is just a matter of letting agree to disagree and let the time to prove who's right and who's wrong. When (if) Blackpink come back again and fail to get to the top 10 again I will remember to @ you and ask if your opinion changed. Feel free to do the same with me.
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You're missing the point entirely I guess. The only reason they haven't reached that peak again, DESPITE having improved their peak position of their Korean tracks with their recent album, is because they haven't had another full English track. If Blackpink ever has a full English song promoted again, it will do the same as Ice Cream or better.
You have 21 posts and counting, and I'd wager 16 of them have been dedicated to proving to the world how much you're unbothered by me, while bumping week old threads and gloating about a handful of users gassing you up because they were too afraid to get the smoke personally.
That's really impressive.
Moving back to K-Pop, since your agenda to "put me in my place" is failing miserably, I just did some very light reading and researching, now that I'm back from my walk.
It doesn't take long to find reputable sources that align with how I've presented the topics discussed in this thread.
The point is that noone, literally no one, is counting Ice Cream as a stand-aloneBlackPink single, because it isn't. Of course, you can resort to trying to invalidate Forbes next, because surely they have an agenda and bias like me, but it's nothing even something worth debating.
Get Up made Hot 100 history, Top 200 history, outsold the biggest movie of the summer that has to date grossed $1,434,328,670 worldwide, and continues to extend its record of most time spent in the top 40 of the Top 200.
I don't have to wait months to make my opinion clear; I'll say it now. Most successful album in the U.S., when looking at the totality of digital and physical metrics.
I never said BlackPink flopped in the U.S. or don't have numbers to rival them. I just don't think any one album trumps what NewJeans has done with Get Up. You won't convince me otherwise either. Like I said.
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I never said Ice Cream was an only Blackpink song, but songs with both credits are still records for the artist. That article also doesn't say it's not Blackpink's song, so their record still stands.
Get Up did make history in many aspects, but so did The Album and BornPink, The Album even more so than Get Up based on most available metrics.
Get up made Hot 100 history for something no group did. They also made history for the highest charting album named "Get Up", but is that worth anything? Not at all. If tons of groups were releasing three singles at the same time, and only NewJeans did it? Hell yeah that's impressive, but no one is doing that.
You say NewJeans is extending their time in the top 40 but they are currently outside of the top 40. Lying again? Last week was 42 and this week is number 60. Please stop lying to try and make a false narrative true.
The fact still remains that multiple Blackpink songs, even without Ice Cream, out peak anything NewJeans does. The Album currently is the record holder for most units sold cumulatively, and also in weeks charted on all of the album charts.
I never said NewJeans isn't successful either, but The Album is clearly more successful looking at the totality of longevity and peak data for the songs and the album. A few strong weeks for Get Up at the start is really the only thing they have over The Album.
The problem is Blackpink had no prior History of charting toppers whatsoever. Up to that point Selena was by all means a much bigger and famous name and a more likely driver for a buzz to get the song into a #13
I'm by no means saying Selena is a chart topper, for reference I always felt she's more a celebrity than a singer but she was (and still is) above Blackpink in name and recognition in USA. It's not only about the peak, it charted 8 weeks, HYLT charted 2 weeks. This is thanks to Selena name, she can reach an audience Blackpink can't
This is not a jab on Blackpink, they are a kpop group, of course their audience is bounded to be limited. Nowadays their fandom and recognition among USA citizens are a bit bigger than in 2020, partially because they were promoted in those collaborations with Selena and LadyGaga. But in 2020? It was an obvious a peak handed by Selena. Even the radio play (reached 21 on radio mainstream charts) that gave the song stability in the charts was handed by Selena.
Selena's song before that, several of them, even rare, peaked around the same (rare) or worse (the other two). The difference in peak between HYLT and Ice Cream was only twenty positions, and BP had been doing better and better on the chart as far as peak position each comeback, so an increase was to be assumed. HYLT was a heavily Korean song outside of the chorus. The main difference that helped Ice Cream last was that it got radio support for being in English. It being in English helped immensely. All of BP's best performing songs have more English in them than the lesser performing ones in terms of longevity. Radio almost never supports the Korean tracks. The same is true for BTS, their English songs get much more radio support and last much longer.
Selena being in a drought is a point against what you are saying, even if she had had hits before that doesn't guarantee anything(Lady Gaga also had a drought period in her career for a few years before having hits again). BP were doing better each comeback and it was their first English song, so there's not a huge argument that it was because of Selena.
I'm glad you had enough room to fit other people in the clown car.
I don't knowwhy you thought for a second I would remotely care if even 300 people thanked you. I've picked so many fights with so many different fandoms over the years that I would be very disappointed if at least 30 more people don'tmessage you.
But my god, can you please cease and desist with the cringe behavior.
"I had three people pat me on the back for posting tirades in a thread that had nothing to do with BlackPink!"
Congratulations? Lmao. Thanks for confirming all the free real estate I own.
Honestly, I was on a peaceful walk for the entirety of our exchange, so you truly didn't have my full focus and attention from the beginning.
That's no longer the case, but you're not even discussing K-Pop any longer. You're just a desperate try hard right now. Let me show proof.
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RE: Real Talk: When did touring become the only important measure of popularity in K-Pop?
Yama-Chan getting destroyed by users here too. Lmao just can't stop losing.
Imagine bumping a weeks old thread just to tag me in another cringe one liner while trying to convince people you aren't emotionally hurt and triggered.
If you want to throw down, all we need is time and opportunity, and I have a little of both now
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It was just evidence against your point that what I said hasn't convinced anyone anything. Just because it angers you doesn't make it "cringe" behavior. You should look in the mirror with your various outdated expressions with the attempt at a "gotcha" moment.
Actually I only bumped into it because other users were laughing about how often you get bodied, so I went for a read to confirm.
You've gotten caught making misleading statements, lying, avoiding the facts, and trying to pass off "predictions" as a fact, and we've gotten to this point.
Sure thing. Blackpink neither have ever reached the same peak nor have charted for as long but surely it can't have be possibility tied to an artist with a History of hits in USA. It's all thanks to Blackpink
Time is a good reference, which is why I was using the several songs before and after to show her effect at that time wasn't good at all.
Case in point, Madonna and Mariah Carey used to have tons of massive hits, but neither have had a successful song in well over 10 years. If they had a successful collab it will 100 percent be due to whomever is collabing with them. In fact, they have had collabs with more popular names to try and revive their image and it's the only time they managed to chart again(even if still a flop). Selena was in a drought with her singles before and after, so it's not crazy to assume Ice Cream's performance was in spite of her rather than because of her.
You're not convincing anyone with the specious at best presentation of data you've contributed, nor will you persuade a soul into believing that you're not emotionally hurt over this exchange, especially with the somewhat pathetic baggage you tried to bring from another thread.
Your correction is, to most, a misguided opinion. You can stand on it, if you want, however. I lost interest in you the moment you started crying and throwing temper tantrums because you got mauled after poking a bear.
Since it bothered you so much though, for laughs, I'll post it one more time.
Super Shy charted in the Hot 100 longer than any BP song that wasn't a collab.
Get Up charted more songs in the Hot 100 than any BP album.
Get Up sold more albums in the first 2 weeks than any BP album and continues to have longevity in the Billboard 200 that has never been seen before.
Most. Successful.
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"Look who is writing novels now," meanwhile your reply was longer than what you quoted. The lack of self-awareness.
Actually I've had three people message me at this point thanking me for putting you in your place(one of their words, not mine) because it's "too draining to argue with someone that much up their own ass" (again, their words and not mine). So I think I've done my job well enough.
Your opinions have been more misguided than anyone's, and mostly devoid of any substance.
"Get Up charted more songs in the Hot 100 than any BP album." Do you like posting lies ? The Album also had three songs chart. All of which charted much higher on average. The lowest charting of the three on The Album, Lovesick Girls, was closer in position to Super Shy than Super Shy was to Ice Cream and How You Like That.
The Album charted 26 weeks on the BB200 and 51 on the sales chart. Again, the record holder.
The Album and BornPink are the most successful. I assume that's what the end of your post was alluding to based on the actual facts.
I think Get Up has been the most successful girl group album in the West that we've ever seen.
Did you think I had moved off that position just because you tried entirely too hard to stand up to me and can't understand the basics of charting and how collaborations work?
You've donenothing but expose how insecure you are about the success of your favorite group, since one line in a post that literally had nothing to do with them is all it took to get you foaming at the mouth and smashing your forehead against your keyboard in a blind rage.
"You bit off more than you can chew"
Please say this out loud and understand how cringe both the line itself is and the fact you're this demonstrably irate over a stranger's opinion
Couldn't be me
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You can think that, you have the full right to think anything you want. I have no problem with that.
I actually gave you multiple data points for charting, so I think you are the one incapable of understanding how charts work.
I was just correcting a statement which led to you getting very personal because you realized you had no strong argument when it came to NewJeans poor Hot 100 chart positions and streaming compared to BP in the US. All the name calling and made up scenarios and emojis are showing how insecure you are more than anything.
"couldn't be me" meanwhile it's more you than anyone.
So many cringe one liners in what I think are attempts to insult me, but I'm the one seething. Comical. Let's end how we started.
Get Up was the best performing girl group album on the Billboard if you look at both their longevity on the Hot 100 and their units sold on Billboard 200.
Cry about it.
I'll make my own thread if I want to trigger, point and laugh at oversensitive stans.
You've been doing failed one-liners from the get-go once you were challenged and realized you bit off more than you could chew.
That was not your original statement. You changing it now is a sign that you realize you were incorrect. You mentioned spotify and billboard without any additional info.
Still, your statement is incorrect. Best performing girl group album on billboard Hot100, meaning multiple songs, would be The Album with 11 weeks since Get Up had 10 combined. Units sold is BP with 1 million on the BB200, but NewJeans charting isn't finished, so we shall see where they end up.
Those are the facts, so cry if you need.
I will give you this, Get Up did have the most units sold in a single week. But that's really the only achievement they have over BP among many.
One line that didn't even directly reference BlackPink in any way was all it took to spiral into this clown show that culminated with the chief instigator posting the total career accomplishments of BlackPink.
99.9% of the clearly triggering message was about IVE and NJ, but they found the .1% to get upset over.
I wasn't going to call you a clown show, but I guess you have some self-awareness after all.
