Posts by erighter

I'm aware that this is a troll thread and that there is not much logic behind it, but I really don't understand why kpop fans are rallying behind aespa to win AOTY at all the music shows. No hate to them, but they haven't had as much overall success as BTS or IU this year.

As long as they are still releasing music (and probably even after they stop as well), they will still be the most popular korean act globally. In terms of being the current overall most popular musical act in the world, it's not really possible at this point to know when they won't be on top anymore.

Quote from Afriyieau1

Exactly. They are standing toe to toe with big western acts on their own playing field at their terms. Include Asian platforms then it’s game over

We'll see the full picture when the IFPI list for 2021 comes out next year, last year they were #1 globally with 17B+ streams and a 4B gap from #2 lmao

Their spotify wrapped will be 7.2B for this year, but they will most likely actually end the year with 8.5-8.6B

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Yeah we can clearly see how much they're trying....

Actually they have been trying pretty hard in the past couple of years. Last year BP had 3 comebacks, one of which was a western collab directly targeted at the US, and this year they've had solo comebacks for 2 members.

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I'm so fucking salty lol

BP & their company are not hungry for that kind of domination...

YG? Not hungry for domination?? You gotta be joking

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Bts releases from debut till now is absolutely staggering not to mention the tours & stuff

That's hunger from both the group & the company

Group like BIGBANG took a 3 year hiatus after having their biggest year, clearly there's no hunger for any type of domination there lol

Or maybe they just enjoy making music and connecting with fans more than most groups?? Also at this point the amount of new music they put out isn't even the main factor in their success, they only released 4 songs this year and 2021 is still shaping up to end as their biggest year ever

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Bts is also alot hungrier than those groups u mentioned

can you explain what this means because I don't understand your phrasing

Quote from Afriyieau1

Lmaooooo. My hot take is that the next dominating group after BTS may not come from kpop

Same, tbh I think it's very unlikely to come from kpop. I also think it will take quite a while for another dominating group to come around too, maybe even decades from now.

Quote from aclassyteaparty

a lot of what you are saying is just not true. bts isnt as big as they are bc kpop's market is bigger. they are as big as they are because they have reached beyond the market. there are a LOT of bts fans that are not kpop stans and do not even have any interest in kpop. bts are able to turn members of the "general public" into their stans. and on top of that bts has one of the highest fan retention rates. it is not simply that they lose mass amounts of fans but gain more, its that they keep fans they already have at a higher rate than any other groups.

there will never be another group that can reach every single height bts has, even if they can achieve some of the same things

Very true, in terms of peak popularity (not overall success, that can only be seen after several decades) the only suitable comparisons I can think of are The Beatles or Michael Jackson

Quote from Jasmine_Waters

Horrible take.

a·nom·a·ly:

something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected

TVXQ: Broke the barrier in Japan (thanks kings) but only did well in the physical (compared to their peer at the time) and touring department esp in Japan (#1). Digitals were nonexistent except for Ballons and Mirotic in Korea.

Big Bang: Broke the standard for bg digitals from debut and held SK at gunpoint ever since. Their touring is only second to TVXQ and they lacked in physical sales. They did better internationally on Youtube compared to their peers at the time

BTS: Literally are the definition of anomaly. They excel in EVERYTHING. Touring, CFs, Digitals, Physicals, Economic and Social Impact, you name it. But what really makes them the anomaly/outliner of their industry is that unlike TVXQ/BB/Big 3 monopoly, BTS' meteoric rise to global domination was not expected or foreseen because when they debuted, NO ONE in the kpop would even think they would surpass even mid-tier level like Infinite/MBlaq/Beast let alone what they've become now in 2013-2016. All eyes, like they've always been, have been on GOT7/EXO/WINNER/BAP during their early career. Nothing about BTS was standard/normal/expected because again, big 3 had a stronghold on kpop before 2017 and to say otherwise is lying to yourself.

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Exactly, picking apart and isolating every field that they excel in misses the point of what makes their career so unprecedented.

The difference between BTS and the 2nd gen groups you mentioned is that BTS is doing everything at once. TVXQ was very popular in Japan, but they weren't the top group physically or digitally in Korea. BIGBANG had astounding digitals, but their physicals were lacking. BTS has Japanese dominance, huge digitals, and massive physicals, which is not a combination that's been seen to this scale before. Also, no kpop group was mainstream in the west before BTS (and arguably no other group is even currently mainstream in the west besides them)

Quote from Millano

Maybe in some parts of the world.

None in my family knows about them but me.

Notice how I said globally, as in the entire world combined. A few places where they are not on top isn't very relevant when their metrics are above anyone else when accounting for everything combined.

This has been true since last year, but there is not currently a recording artist/act who is more popular than BTS globally. They are absolutely at the top right now, and are most likely going to cement themselves as one of the top acts of all time as time goes on as well.

Quote from paradis

And when they get that Olivia Rodrigo push

Her promotional push this year was completely unprecedented, I'd be happy if BTS even gets 1/4 of that lmao

Quote from Amsuej66

Aren't they under def jam jp?

They should go with def jam for USA for too.

Their JP albums and singles are distributed by Def Jam and Virgin, both of which are owned by UMG.

Quote from Flowercrew

To add, BTS is on another league aka "Top of WW music Market league"

Hopefully, some Kpop fans(trolls) think twice before they do a "Vs. BTS" or a "Surpassed BTS" thread because they're just setting up their faves and appear bitter.

Lmao, you know they will never learn. At least it gets more entertaining the higher BTS' success reaches

Damn, even Adele coming back after a 6 year hiatus couldn't top them. Honestly at this point I really have no clue who would be able to beat Butter's global 200 streaming record besides BTS themselves

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So wait, 'album sales' today aren't actually album sales, but album equivalent units???

Yeah, since pure sales are mostly being left in the past they have to update their methodology to reflect with the times. Nowadays album equivalents are used as the main metric and have streams + sales.

Quote from icedbatu

bringing this back. now that UMG got the distributions deal and based on what my european mutuals have been saying about how horrible Sony is with their distributions and pricing in that region and UMG is definitely better at this, i guess 7m sale is in the bag for the usual 4 version album

European sales will be huge this CB since it might have normal pricing there, I'm sure US sales will be super high as well.