oh boy who’s gonna tell ya..
you ain’t proving yourself smart by thinking that bc you used that retort first it didn’t make you look dumb lol
funny how it felt when your dumb insult gets thrown back at cha huh
u started it, dummy
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i think it comes with popularity. but they really have nothing on Ive other than lipsyncing.. which most? groups do anyway. idk why this is such a big deal
so you're a joke in every thread. lol..
Defending innocent kid is one thing but defending a kid with problematic past is stupid. It's not fearless, it's brainless. As much as you tried to paint Garam as kid with clean past, she's not.
Everything in South Korea is moving fast, when you finally got the chance to prove your innocence, it's already too late, people already moved on to the other issue, and you already lose your momentum. That's what happens to T-Ara, AoA etc.
As much as you want it to be "rise after scandal" scenario, it would never happen. Unlike IZ*ONE, Le Sserafim just got debuted, they have no loyal fandom to support them when they become public enemy, once they lose their momentum, it's already over. Keeping Garam would just divide the fandom even further since WIZ*ONE is angry at her for ruining Sakura and Chaewon debut, they want her to be removed ASAP and K-fans already gave her silent treatment.
what are you on about? in WHAT world is Garam's past "problematic"?
but your stance doesnt surprise me since there are those in this thread who still thinks Garam had a "fight" with Yoo. false impressions do have some lasting effect until it's over-ruled by the truth. And for a bit this would've been debated but eventually the vocal majority would drown your ilk out. Since the truth is on Garam's side - as proven by the school report, the girl Yoo took pictures of speaking out about the matter, and the rabid Garam defenders we still see today. Popular concensus was/is/will be on Garam's side and ultimately vindicate her.
and tbh, your existence along with those who still think Garam had a "fight" with Yoo, and Garam still being harrassed by your kind is the result of Source's incompetency. this has to be one of the biggest tragedies in kpop
It’s like not a single thing passed through your head about contexts and nuances of words after all this lol it’s par for the course atp
weird hill to die on but whatever helps you sleep at night bc simple concepts are just too much to handle
right.. cus u still think an altercation can only mean a fight.. even with context of the school report, u wont budge from that hill.
pretty sure u're talking to urself at this stage.
yes i did read the report and yes you are still splitting hairs about what they call this incident and the one following it, when the gist of it is so simple: garam got involved with a group who cornered another girl with verbal abuse while ganging up on her. But of course that’s simply a “verbal beat down”, not a fight
We truly foregoing brains now.
That garam didn’t actually say much doesn’t override the fact that she showed up and was a part of an intimidation posse. There’s power in number, and a thing called compliance in crime exists you know. But of course we’re arguing semantics here and you can’t actually get involved in a fight if you don’t speak the verbal abuse purposefully set out that the rest of your intimidation group is spewing, obviously
And you’re right i truly am losing braincells arguing with you but oh well
so verbal abuse is now a fight? also garam wasnt the one doing the verbal abuse. but she was present for it.
if you believe that only by speaking out on this matter does it prove that the idol is “fearless” i truly don’t know what to tell you
being fearless doesn’t mean being reckless and selfish to the detriment of other people. if 1 lesserafim member spoke out about this matter, it could potentially wreck the rest of the whole group, killing the careers of all the other members, affecting the livelihood of members of staff (not the executives making decisions) all of whom are in employment bc lesserafim is. This is only a hypocritical scenario of course, but not an impossible one, and if it did come true, can that idol being “fearless” be celebrated when their actions affected so many people?
You know what is fearless? Not scurrying in the corner despite getting negative gossips thrown in your face, going out there and doing your job like you were supposed to, holding your head high in the face of adversity. That’s fearless to me, not some act of “heroism” that comes from a place of moral superiority that doesn’t actually achieve anything
This is also not at all comparable to loona’s situation, bc their fandom had been with the group for 6 years through thick and thin, they’d had more time to be attached to the members and become organised as a fandom. Lesserafim got hit with the scandal from pre-debut; how do you expect to garner a fandom strong enough to act as an organised force? You also need to remember garam’s name was only cleared in august - that was months after fearless was released, so what do you expect the fans to boycott by then? Loona’s scandal came out days before their planned cb so obviously they had a more immediate means to act. Lesserafim’s fandom didn’t have that opportunity. So comparing these 2 situations makes no sense to me
oh just admit it. you were part of these pple raising pitchforks to have Garam removed from LsF, and u feign your concern for her now that she's found to be innocent. or.. in ur mind, is she still guilty? i can't tell, but it wont surprise me.
* also LsF got hit with the scandal POST debut. geez, i dont even follow LsF and i know this much. what kinda fan are u?
so you are aware that garam was involved with a group who confronted the other girl with very aggressive and vulgar language, and they all got reported for doing that bc no matter what fancy words you use to dress up the situation that is a textbook example of a fight they shouldn’t have taken part in, but you’re here arguing semantics that bc they didn’t use that exact word and reasoning in the report it can’t be called a fight? 🤔 say, if garam’s group also confronted that girl but in a non-threatening, non-degrading manner without foul language or ganging up on her do you think they would’ve been reported even tho they still technically “took matters in their own hands” instead of reporting to the school?
You say garam was reported not for “fighting” but for getting involved with this group, but you fail to understand the explicit implication that it’s the aggressive nature of this confrontation that got them in trouble, ie. it was a fight and school duties require reporting of serious fights in their records. No one reports simple skirmishes without serious offenses. Idk what else to tell you man if you just wanna put your head in the sand and split hair on the wording of that report and argue that swearing and cursing and ganging up on someone is not a fight bc the report didn’t explicitly say so, you do you.
Like you said, one of us sure doesn’t know what a fight means
how ironic this comes from you, especially after i’d just demonstrated in that post that I actually follow the group and know details non fans are ignorant of. It’s like you love to slap your own face i swear
yes. Garam CONFRONTED (excuse the fancy word here 
) her with her friends. and.. this wasnt the "altercation" - after all it was 8 on 1. This was more of a verbal beat-down. Furthermore, if you read the report, Garam had little part in it. The altercation comes later when Yoo tells her male friends and Garam's friends have verbal arguments later - but by this time Garam had "made up" with Yoo so she wasnt part of these altercations either.
You really should read the full school report instead of just believing in you speculations. but if you still think Garam had a "fight" with yoo.. well then.. you're just choosing to be ignorant- which is great cus it's just that much funnier.
and how ironic.. u follow the group and u're still this ignorant.. just cus u use that facepalm emoji doesnt mean u have to slap ur face irl.. u'll lose more braincells that way.
Display Morecongrats for fighting some twitter stans or pan girls. it seems all the top groups fandoms do that half the time. i just dont think that does anything to lsfm. when the scandal happened it had no impact on their charting, they were still doing well on melon.
so garam staying or leaving wouldnt change anything. and after it was revealed she wasnt a bully, specially internationally the opinion about the case had also changed.
nobody forced anyone to abandon someone. everyone made their own decisions. the company, the idols, and the fandom. and it was different than in chuus case.
This is also not about hating your faves or your fandom. With "so and so dont care" i only meant you have the concept of im fearless and be antifragile and to me you just missed the opportunity to proof that you are. since to me it didnt seem like you resisted like loona does. but not having earned my respect doesnt mean i hate you. i still hope you all and all your faves will do well and have a lot of success without all the hate on twitter.
furthermore its true. i have no special concern about garam. its not about garam. i think nobody should get treated like this. and kpop should not work like this.
if you have another opinion you can feel free to believe in that.
as i allready said. i dont mind anymore. i left my rant against source and will stay far away from everything that is involved with them.
if anything, if Source had stood by Garam, it'd have made LsF #1 as rookies by a wide margin. The story is truly what movies are made of - Garam gets accused of bullying - only to be found out that Garam actually tried to do right and stood up for her friend - it would've taken a few months for the public to finally know the truth, but Garam "fearlessly" pushes through this - it seems like the perfect script for LsF's "FEARLESS" and "Antifragile" concept.
This was a perfect opportunity - it doesnt get any better for source or any ent. agency to get enormous amount of exposure. but.. Source couldnt weather those 4 months even with hybe money? apparently the girls are fearless, but their agency is not.
it’s always the ignorant who chimes in lol peeps be making statements like “so and so don’t care” bc the idols don’t publicly speak on a scandal that would do no good to absolutely anyone
Don’t you know idols don’t have real thought in private, and what they show in public is the full extent of what they think?
And funny that user brought up chaewon, bc there was a clip floating around after garam was already kicked when chaewon was asked to draw fearless’s choreo on a board and she drew ot6 version, so obviously she didn’t “not care” that garam was kicked, she just couldn’t outright speak out about it without getting into trouble with management and causing mishap for the rest of the group bc of her personal feelings. But surely selflessly staying silent meant she didn’t care right
oh sweety, you should be the last person to bring up about someone being ignorant when u dont even know what a fight is
gurlie in the dictionary fight is literally a synonym of altercation depending on the context, and anyone with a brain can see that the context in this case (a freaking school report) is more than enough to glean the meaning that the altercation was not peaceful aka it was a fight, and you’re still here thinking you did sth bc the dictionary says they’re 2 different words which means one can never mean the other even tho the context clearly shows they did if one applied logical thinking 😭
Your inability to understand language’s flexibility and absolutely adamant attitude that it’s always rigid and people cannot mean word A bc they used word B no matter the context is baffling and embarrassing now that the hilarity has passed. I truly pray for you
oh... i think I know where the disconnect is.
I mean it's obvious you two never read the school report.
Garam never had a fight with the girl. they had a confrontation that lead to further altercation.
It's the 2 of you using semantics to make it seem like Garam was involved in a 1 vs 1 fight with the girl... cus in your mind she did have a fight.
but she didnt.
read her school report plz:
"8 friends, including Kim Garam and female students 1 and 2, found out about Yoo Eunseo’s actions and confronted her at a nearby apartment complex, cursing her out for three hours. Swears said included “f*ck”, “f*cking b*tch”, but it has been pointed out that Kim Garam and female student B did not directly swear at Yoo Eunseo, instead just saying they were “f*cking speechless”. Four of the girls did not curse at all, but still talked during those three hours. Yoo Eunseo said she would not gossip anymore and be kind to them, and the situation was resolved.
Shortly after the situation, Yoo Eunseo’s friends at N middle school, male student A and B, sent a Facebook message to female student 1 with the contents “Hey f*cking b*tch! Who do you think you are? Don’t you dare mess with Yoo Eunseo!” Female Student 1 took a screenshot of the messages sent by male student A and B and sent it to the group chatroom. Yoo Eunseo and Kim Garam had reconciled by then, so all of the friends were still part of the group chatroom. After receiving the surprising messages, female student 1 sent Yoo Eunseo a message with the contents “You’re so pathetic. Go back to the countryside. F*ck off. You’re disgusting.” Kim Garam asked Yoo Eunseo to leave the group chat to lower the feeling of uncomfortableness that was lingering in the group. This was after Yoo Eunseo sent a message containing her apology in the chatroom"
plz do read the full report .
what u 2 are saying only makes sense if u didnt read the report and connect altercation with a fight.
also she didnt get reported for a "fight" - Garam got reported cus she was friends with the girl who's pictures got put on the internet, and she was part of this posse confronting Yoo* " - they took the matter into their own hands instead of reporting it directly to the school committee. That's why Garam was punished.not cus of fighting... but a confrontation that lead to further altercations from Yoo's group* and the group that girl who's picture was taken by Yoo - which garam was part of.
should take your own advice mate
logical thinking is hard but shouldn’t be that hard, i pray for you
oh but i even posted a image of what altercation means in the dictionary.
ur gf still thinks a fight and altercations have the same meaning - even with the definitions right there in front of her. the 2 of u are down right hilarious.
that being said, i must admit, the 2 of u did a fine job derailing the thread for me.
but it definitely seems LsF is in bad hands with Source. i hope u bought their merch.
garam’s engagement with the other girl was so bad and it got so serious that she got reported in her school report in be engaged in an “altercation” and you’re still here arguing it might not be a very aggressive encounter bc that’s not what “altercation” always encompasses in the dictionary? 😭 pls be fr and use logical thinking for once. If it was simply a peaceful non-threatening disagreement like a debate then there’s not even ground for her to be reported or for the school to note it in her report. Do you see kids fighting, oops, i mean disagreeing with each other about which subject they like best being reported in their record for such quarrels as “altercations”? 😭
In case you didn’t know, if it was a physical fight they would’ve still only written it as “physical altercation” in the report bc it’s a formal document so are you gonna argue next that bc they used “altercation” it could’ve simply been a disagreement and not a fight? 😭
oh? so you didnt get this out of your system?
if you're still having trouble understanding what an "altercation" is , i suggest the dictionary and not a kpop forum.
