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Like a clockwork. As soon as Mhj gained even more public sympathy after the talkshow yesterday, "employee B" appears.
Apparently that "employee B" didnt file a "sexual harassment" lawsuit at all because likely it has no ground in court. But Hybe (of course) mediaplay like it was a huge SH case and have armys spin it as "sexual assault". The attack angle of Hybe's TAG PR on Western media move exactly like I thought, because this is a very sensitive issue in the West. Luckily that Jeff Benjamin dude reached out to MHJ and not write a completely one-sided article. It's enough for me given the huge influence Hybe have on western side.
The saddest thing here is I don't think hybe stans/armys care about this employee B at all. They just want to use it to attack mhj, thus hating on Newjeans. That employee B is being used by Hybe as a media tool. Why didn't she sue Hybe and the current Bdor CEO Kim Yoo Young, who denied her complaint TWICE?
So I just read the entire article on billboard. And this part caught my attention, "The rep adds that the VP has also sued the employee for defamation and claimed damages, which had not been previously shared with the media." So the employee came out and said she was suing and we all thought it was going to be for work place bullying or SA, but she only sued for defamation.
This part also caught my attention, "Min adds, “I have been telling HYBE, ‘If you want to do an investigation or re-investigation, you need to make it formal and official by not having any investigating done by those involved in previous cases. They could hire a third party to investigate, but instead, they’re going into another internal investigation by the same person who actually made the final decision.”
So according to the article, HYBE has already reopened the case to determine if MHJ tried to cover up the SA, and the one re-investigating it is ADOR current CEO, who was the one that investigated and dismissed the case in the first place. MHJ asked them to hire a third party who would not be biased to lead the reinvestigation, but they refused. I can't help but wonder if they even care about the truth, because why would you ask someone who you believe messed up the first investigation due to MHJ's alleged interference to reinvestigate the case again? It makes no sense.
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I smell hostile take over, and it's not from MHj. Buying more when everyone else is running out is not a smart move, and they probably know it. Except they have other plans. People might say the are banking on BTS' comeback, but we literally have 2 yrs and a few months before their contract with HYBE expires, and no one knows how the renewal talk would go, except HYBE is going to bribe them with more shares or use the one they gave them already as leverage to get them to resign for another 7 years even before this contract expires.
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Call me weird, but that second post "Don't use them" that came after his first post had already gone viral is just HYPE' s incompetent PR team trying to divert Armies attention back to hating MHJ by implying his post was about MHJ when he probably was just pointing out that the girls should not get hurt in this fight between the executives, which includes HYBE. But see then trying to exclude themselves and make it just about MhJ, so that Armies can spin it as him supporting HYBE in this drama. Anyway I hope he doesn't let them bully him into silence. I can't imagine how many papers they are shoving in his face right now and forcing him to sign, so that he never does something like this again.
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Yes we already assumed so
At this point, there isn't anything they wouldn't try to pin on this woman. I would like to say that this is getting ridiculous, but that would be totally wrong since it got ridiculous a long time ago.
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MHJ is a vile person, sorry. I feel for the girls that they believe she's their best bet in this terrible industry but this mess started betwene her and Hybe - she's the one who dragged everyone else into it, the other girl groups, the NJ members.
and just drop the "the texts were fake" stuff. MHJ has all but admitted to them, they're clearly real. If you continue to pretend they're not, you're basically admitting you don't find them defensible. Well except for the tokkis here who have switched to claiming that's just how adults talk.
Guess what? We would never have even known about the issue between Hybe and MHJ if Hybe hadn't gone public with their fake audit, which the judge agreed was unreasonable. Whatever concerns MHJ raised about ILLIT, she did so privately, in an official email. So why did Hybe respond with public hostility instead of handling the matter internally? She raised an issue via email like any normal employee would, and Hybe decided that publicly shaming her would silence her for good, rather than arranging a meeting between her and the other sub-label CEOs. Given their choice to publicly air the dirty laundry instead of keeping it in-house, I’d say they left her no option but to hold the press conference and help Hybe finish what they started. Do you really believe that in the 17 years MHJ worked at SM, she never once clashed with Lee Soo Man or other SM directors? Did we ever see Lee Soo Man bring these matters to the public? Or do you think Teddy has never had issues with YG? Is it really that hard to be honest about who went public with this first? We all saw how it went down, and the receipts are there, so why pretend that this all started because of her?
I'm guessing that just like those who expected her to quietly accept HYBE's public attack without fighting back, HYBE also thought they could bury her with the media and she'd just go down without a fight. I'm guessing they never expected that she would meet them at their level. At least with both sides getting damaged in this fight, now they know that winning a battle by throwing mud only works when your opponent doesn't like getting dirty.
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The court that MHJ and her lawyer reference is about the injunction ruling previously - which was about if HYBE could fire her at THAT previous AG meeting. The court ruled that HYBE could not since she was protected by the shareholder agreement.
Nothing to do with the HYBE cancellation of her shareholder agreement and firing her as CEO.
The shareholder agreement’s cancellation - whether or not it HYBE did it legal or not — we have to wait for the FSS or new court ruling. HYBE said they did it legally and public FSS record noted it was processed in July.
It’s funny to read that MHJ and her lawyers emphasize that the agreement can’t be cancelled without her agreement.
Actually, there should always be a reason to terminate a contract. If one side can just walk away from a written contract, then it should not be called a contract to begin with. Imagine if Newjeans woke up one day and said, "we have terminated our contract's with our agency." That is just not how contracts work, they would have to provide a cause and the other party has a right to argue the case in court and if the court thinks the reason for the termination is valid, then the termination stands. But in this case, Hybe did not provide their reasons, because if they did it based on the cause the court already threw our, then it is illegal. They need to provide a new cause not the ones the court already rejected, except there is a clause in her contract that says that the agency can terminate the contract at anytime even without a cause. But if that were the case, they would have done it a long time ago, even without going to court.
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Damn. They should honestly investigate the whole group. Like wasn’t a few of them exposed by Japanese waitresses. But anyway I won’t be surprised if this opens a cans of worms for NCT and the whole male industry like the bullying fiasco. Like there’s some nasty male actors still flying by.
Apparently this is about Taeil? Is this true??????? This is crazy
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Min Hee-jin's right-hand man' Ador Vice President "I agreed to receive 3 billion won worth of stocks" confesses and then changes his mind... This is the third time he has changed his words
It has been confirmed that Mr. A, the Vice President of Ador, made a statement during the audit process of Hybe, stating that he was promised stocks in return for helping with the process of seizing management rights from CEO Min Hee-jin. Mr. A claims that it was a ‘false confession’ made under duress, but it seems that he has lost credibility as he has repeatedly changed his story since then. His ‘changing his story’ has occurred a total of three times, including going back on his apology to former Adore employee Mr. B and withdrawing his disclosure of information assets.
At the end of April, when Hybe exercised its right to audit Ador, Mr. A confessed to Hybe that he had conspired with CEO Min to seize management rights. According to Ten Asia's coverage on the 18th, he reportedly confessed at the time of his statement, "I agreed to receive 0.3% of the Ador stocks that CEO Min Hee-jin owned," and "I thought, '0.3% would be worth about 3 billion won, and after all this hard work, I could pay taxes and buy an apartment.'"
Afterwards, Mr. A agreed to provide information assets and submitted his work laptop to Hybe. It is reported that Hybe was able to capture most of their plan to seize management rights through the conversation logs with CEO Min that were found on Mr. A's laptop. However, Mr. A later denied the content, claiming that the statement was made under a coercive atmosphere during the audit of Hybe. He also withdrew his consent to provide information assets.
Hybe regards Mr. A as the architect of the plan to seize Ador's management rights. Because Mr. A is the author of the document "Project 1945" that contained the entire plan to seize Ador's management rights. In this situation, the court ruled that "it seems clear that CEO Min Hee-jin, together with Mr. A, Vice President of Ador, sought a way to weaken Hybe's control over Ador by having Hybe sell the issued shares of Ador that it owned, and to gain independent control of Ador herself."
In addition, on the 16th, our magazine reported through an interview with former Ador employee B that Vice President A sent a long apology text to B for the overall situation of the damage, including workplace bullying, saying, "I clearly know what I did wrong."
After the report, A sent a long protest text to B, retracted his previous apology, and instead demanded an apology from B.
According to the content of his protest text obtained by TenAsia on the 18th, **the purpose of the apology text he sent to B was not sincere, but "a moral act to prevent a bigger fight." **He then argued that he "absolutely never sexually harassed me," and that it was incomprehensible that B had reported him for workplace bullying. He then stated during an investigation by the Hybe RW (corporate ethics) team that he had never colluded with CEO Min, and instead demanded an apology from B, who had complained of sexual harassment and workplace bullying, and threatened legal action (to B) in the future.
In the legal community, it was analysed that B withdrew the apology out of concern that it would be seen as an admission and apology for the sexual harassment, which would be disadvantageous to A in the upcoming legal battle, as he had hinted at taking strong legal action.
Earlier, at the first press conference held on April 25, CEO Min expressed strong trust and affection for person A, calling him "our OO" (A's real name). Person A is also considered one of CEO Min's closest associates, enough to have been recommended as an internal director of Ador. In an attempt to protect him, CEO Min even disclosed personal information of former Ador employee B, including his annual salary, date of resignation, and conversation records, without B's consent.
As A repeatedly "changed his story" and showed inappropriate responses such as canceling his apology to B and instead demanding an apology, public opinion in the industry is strongly criticizing both of them, who show such a strong bond.
So now MHJ is no longer the master mind behind the seizing of power bullshit, now is Mr.A?
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Former employee B, who is in a dispute with Ador over the cover-up of a sexual harassment case, has announced that executive A, who was identified as the perpetrator of the sexual harassment, has withdrawn his apology.
On the 17th, former Ador employee B said, "Executive A sent a long 2,000-character KakaoTalk message early this morning, protesting that "my apology was being abused" and "has withdrawn my extensive admission and apology."
Previously, B had announced that Executive A had apologized after the allegations of a cover-up of sexual harassment were exposed. However, he shocked everyone by suddenly withdrawing his apology.
Person B said, "Regarding this report of workplace bullying, Executive A said, 'This is bullying and it's too much,' so I'm confused if I'm the perpetrator, but since you've withdrawn your apology, I will also actively respond as necessary."
While doing so, she stated that she had immediately requested corrections and taken action regarding expressions she did not use in the reported content, and said, "Although I did not use the expressions, I apologized to Person A for taking responsibility for providing the cause." Along with this, she also captured an image of an article revealing the apology from Executive A.
Previously, there were suspicions that CEO Min Hee-jin of Adore covered up an incident of sexual harassment within the company. She said that she defended Executive A and ignored the victim B. In response to these rumors, CEO Min denied them on her SNS, saying, "They are distorted."
However, Mr. B later objected in an interview, and CEO Min released an 18-page rebuttal, saying that the allegations of covering up sexual harassment within the company were “far-fetched nitpicking.”
Mr. B responded with a rebuttal, saying, “All I wanted was a correction of the lies and a public apology.” He added, “Even when powerless employees like me are unfairly criticized, you don’t even say a word of unfairness, just bow your head and say sorry dozens or hundreds of times, and you can’t even say one simple apology.” She said there was no apology.
What expressions is she talking about now? I hope it's not SA, because saying her original report never included SA would automatically exonorate MHJ, because the only reason her name is linked to this particular case is because she allegedly couched someone who committed SA, so if the person suddenly did not commit SA, why did dispatch and Hybe say otherwise, and why did her own first insta story mention MHJ covering for someone who commented SA. I swear I don't know anymore, I guess if she is serious about lawyering up, we would just have to wait and see how it plays out in court.
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"On this day, Mr. B emphasized, "Representative Min is mainly explaining about sexual harassment, but my main report at the time was workplace bullying." What the hell does this part even mean? Do they think the public is a joke, all these drama for almost two weeks and supposedly what? Your main complaint was about work place bullying? In MjH first statement about this issue, before she brought all these alleged receipts about incompetenc, she did try to say something along the lines of the body in Hybe that B reported to is called SA and work place bullying but that the case wasn't about SA, and that dispatch intentionally didn't mention that. But this B came out with her refuttal and claimed SA happened. Now it suddenly wasn't about SA?
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Former Ador employee B has announced that she will file a complaint with the Ministry of Labor, pointing out Ador CEO Min Hee-jin’s biased intervention in the investigation process of her workplace bullying and sexual harassment case.
On the 16th, B mentioned three things in her interview with Ten Asia that she is preparing materials for her complaint with the Ministry of Labor: CEO Min’s biased intervention in the investigation of Hybe RW (internal ethics standards) team, workplace bullying by CEO Min and Ador Vice President A, and Ador’s unauthorized salary cut without legal basis.
On this day, Mr. B emphasized, "Representative Min is mainly explaining about sexual harassment, but my main report at the time was workplace bullying." She continued, "I plan to report to the Ministry of Labor that Representative Min neglected his duty of neutrality toward reporters of sexual harassment and workplace bullying, intervened in the investigation, and exercised her influence in a biased manner. Since I am also an employee, I will set a date to proceed even if it means taking a vacation."
She revealed that she received a call from Hybe after releasing her first statement on the 8th. She said, "I received an apology from them (Hybe) saying, 'The last investigation was insufficient, so it is clear that Representative Min intervened in the investigation, so we will conduct a fair reinvestigation and review it.'"
She also said that she received an apology from Vice President A for his comments regarding sexual harassment, colluding with Representative Min to influence the results of the RW team's investigation, and for workplace bullying in general. She explained the apology she received from Vice President A, saying, "If we look only at the sexual harassment incident, Mr. A did not say, 'I did it 100%,' but he admitted it to a large extent given the circumstances. If we look at the content of the apology, it included workplace bullying in general, including sexual harassment."
Meanwhile, Mr. B said that after posting her first statement on the 8th, she contacted Representative Min first to request her training evaluation data. She firmly stated, "I plan to use it as data to report to the Ministry of Labor. Didn't Representative Min say 'I didn't do my job' as her defense logic? This is evidence that will weaken that logic."
Regarding the training evaluation data, Mr. B confessed, "Out of the five evaluators, two were deputy representatives and three were colleagues I've worked with for half a year. Except for Deputy Representative A, they all gave me 'highly recommended' or 'recommended' evaluations. However, only Deputy Representative A, who had worked with me for only a month, gave me the lowest score."
Mr. B also revealed that when she resigned, she was asked by Ador to "accept a 40% salary cut if you don't want to resign," which was also what she reported to the Ministry of Labor. Mr. B explained that this was "a salary cut without legal basis that was not even mentioned in the employment contract." She claimed, "It's not even a 10% salary cut, but a whopping 40% cut, which is high enough to be legally problematic even if it was agreed upon as a special provision at the time of the employment contract. Also, there was no mention of the possibility of a salary adjustment at the time of the contract."
She also added, "Revealing my salary in the statement on the 13th is also a violation of the Personal Information Protection Act. Representative Min disclosed the arbitrary reason for reducing my salary without my consent." "Furthermore, my salary when I was hired was not exceptional treatment. Rather, I joined Ador after receiving a partial salary cut. I joined Ador out of my fandom for Representative Min."
Person B expressed her grievance, saying, "I find it absurd that people are talking about timing and asking if Hybe ordered me to do so." She explained, "Of course, Hybe might like me to make the Representative Min issue public. That's why I admit that people might misunderstand that I was instigated by Hybe. But I'm not the type to act just because someone tells me to. I came forward because I felt so wronged."
She said, "The reason I held back until now was because I wasn't directly harmed. But on July 31, Representative Min made public a conversation she had with me without my consent. Everything from the date of my resignation to my conflict with Vice President A and even my tone of speech are clues that can be used to identify me. Even overseas advertisers who saw Representative Min's statement contacted me. I thought I couldn't bear it anymore," she said about what led her to make it public.
In the meantime, Mr. B said, "I was surprised that in the long statement, there was absolutely no mention of the intervention during the investigation, cursing, coaching, and posting on KakaoTalk without permission that I had pointed out. I expected that he would avoid the issue, but I think she should tackle it head on."
Mr. B continued, "Even if Representative Min's rebuttal is posted, I don't think I will have any more statements. I plan to focus on responding to the Ministry of Labor and legal action." She added, "So many people, from domestic and foreign clients to acquaintances, sent me messages of support. Thanks to that, I think I wasn't too discouraged by malicious comments. There is a group that keeps posting the same malicious comments to me, so I hope they will stop."
Representative Min previously denied allegations of covering up an internal sexual harassment case through long statements on July 31 and July 13. In the process, she disclosed Ms. B's annual salary and repeatedly emphasized that she "wasn't able to do her job." In addition, there was also a nuance that Mr. B's objection was at the instigation of Hybe.
In response, Mr. B posted rebuttals on her Instagram account on the 8th and 14th. Through two statements, Mr. B pointed out Representative Min's biased intervention in the RW team investigation.
Okay, now am confused. Why does it sound like she is back tracking from the sexual harassment allegation in general. So she is planning on suddenly making this all about salary cut, when all this drama started because Hybe told us Min covered up SA?
Maybe she should have just kept quiet and gone to ministry of labor to begin with. So if the SA alleged victim suddenly drops the SA allegation, what does that make Hybe who claimed MHj covered SA?
At this point all of them are just playing with us.
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Both HYBE and MHJ threw “B” under the bus and BOTH didn’t asked for consent prior to the release of the chats.
If you read “B”‘s statement, she called out both HYBE and MHJ for this.
However, I find it interesting that MHJ is trying to say that the sexual harassment investigation for “B”’s case - was conducted by HYBE and the decision of the result was from HYBE - all of a sudden ADOR can be under HYBE now — isn’t SHE the CEO of ADOR and I had to laugh with MHJ’s “I’m not involved in this” nonsense - she totally was involved per B’s statement.
Also, HYBE’s findings said there was enough to say that A’s conduct was inappropriate and asked MHJ to issue a severe warning which B confirmed but MHJ didn’t do anything in reality. Actually, MHJ confirms this too - that she didn’t do anything - but claims it’s cuz she didn’t believe there was any sexual harassment just B being discontent.
So reading it all - HYBE and B stories had more alignment vs MHJ’s version of events.
All of this drama started because she claims that HYBE is not letting Ador be independent like they promised her initially. She literally released a statement where she was lamenting about Hybe forcing the Sub labels to use their Legal team, HR, etc. So for now that HYBE insists on handling HR, legal matters and the rest for it's Sub labels, such matters are handled by Hybe and except you have not been following the case, her initially statement about the case clearly stated that HYBE handled the investigation and B herself said Hybe handled it too.
Hybe handles HR matters and legal matters for all Sub labels under them. For crying out loud, even with all these drama going on, Hybe is still in charge of newjeans legal matters. If I remember correctly, when MHJ released that statement that mentioned how Hybe does not let them make their own decisions including forcing Ador to work with a distributor that Ador doesn't want to work with, people in this same forum said that if she wants to have full control she should go open her own lable, so why are you suddenly acting like she is accusing them falsely of being the ones who handled the SA case. B submitted her report to Hybe HR not to Ador and Hybe investigated, found no strong evidence to back up B's claims of SA, but agreed that A has been harsh on B and told MHJ to end it with a warning to A.
All these drama about the SA started because Hybe wanted to paint MHJ as someone who talked behind the alleged victims back even though they themselves closed the SA investigation without finding A at fault. If they didn't find A at fault, when B actually filed the complaint to Hybe and not Ador, how exactly did MHj cover for the dude? Or is Hybe trying to say that MHJ asked them to cover for B and they agreed? I wish the police would actually look into the SA case. Hybe asked the police to investigate MHJ, I wish they added the SA too so that we can know the truth once and for all
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Very hypothetical tho, to me it looks more like this journalist is one of a fiew who isn't baught by hybe so he could release such articles about hybe acts. All the others like Dispatch just keep quiet.
On the other side, he exposed hybe to do black media play against mhj and nj. Now that's facts. And i hope it will bite back hybe HARD.
You took the words right out of my mouth lol.
Another thing I want people to think about is how no other reputable news outlet (not even dispatch that always supports Hybe) is reporting about the leaked texts between MHJ and VP except that one youtuber and TVdaily. First when MHJ revealed texts messages btw her and Hybe, she didn't hide under anyone but revealed them herself and owned up to it, so a lot of reporters where able to boldly write about it and quote MHJ as the source. But with Hybe, instead of revealing these messages officially they leaked to a YouTuber who has never openly quoted Hybe as his source. Instead he keeps stressing that it has been reconstructed. So if all the reporters who went to that court hearing said they couldn't write because Hybe didn't show them the text, and this YouTuber claims he reconstructed his, even though he has never named Hybe as his source, and Hybe who told the whole world that they were running forensics on MHJ's laptop have not been bold enough to reveal that this messages were actually found on her laptop, then one can't help but wonder if these messages are actually real or edited like MHJ is claiming. I mean if Hybe with all their money can't get reputable reporters to write an article on something they have evidence on, maybe because they were unable to convince the reputable reporters to stick their necks out without actually showing them the evidence. I doubt dispatch would agree to reconstruct or do whatever that reporter is doing without actually seeing the original texts.
I mean these leaked messages are damning. So if Hybe who has the authority to run forensics on her laptop as it is a company laptop, found these messages that could easily end this whole drama, why are the leaking it like cowards instead of ending her? If they officially release the texts themselves or through dispatch instead of a YouTuber that doesn't have a good reputation, this could have been over a long time ago.
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Shamanism is actually very common in Korea. Koreans literally use shamans to pick auspicious dates for wedding, moving into a new home, etc. They even use it to name babies and all. So from the perspective of Koreans, choosing the name of a company with the help of a shaman is not that weird. As for the breach of trust, since Hybe allowed her to name it, I believe that means she was free to come up with it as she likes and that includes asking relatives, friends or even a shaman to way in on the options she came up with. They only problem would be if Hybe can prove that she shared sensitive company information with the shaman, but for now all they have shared with the public is the name thing and asking the shaman to predict if BTS would be going to the army. We will have wait to see if they actually reveal an actual sensitive information she shared.
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Yes. They first dropped a logo then their first concept photo was on March 6, then more photos and teasers before their actual debut date
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Selling the stock to pay the lease for an house is a defense that will be difficult to disprove by Hybe. They could only say that the VP signing the lease contract was part of the scheme.
The only thing that I missed from Ador's statement is an explanation for the discussion held on March 16.
During a conversation between Representative Min and Deputy Representative L on March 16, when Deputy Representative L predicted a stock price crash, saying, “If the Adore dispute becomes an issue, it will fall drastically,” Representative Min responded, “Of course.”
According to Ador the stock discussions were all about Illit's plagirazing them. This is what Ador says about it in their statement:
Contrary to their claims, the KakaoTalk content claimed by Hive is about discussing countermeasures if the 'Aillet plagiarism issue' continues. In the event that the internal complaint is not accepted, the final method is to report the contents to the Fair Trade Commission, file an external petition to the effect that the plagiarism is unfair, or notify the person that the plagiarism is unfair through the Unfair Competition Prevention Act. This takes into account methods, etc.
But those two statements don't exactly align with each other. March 16 was before Illit debuted and before NewJeans parents started to raise the plagirazing complaints. So what exactly is the Ador dispute they were talking about on March 16?According to the new Jean's mom, "When the initial concept photos for [ILLIT] were released, my friends sent them to me asking if these were new photos of NewJeans. They mentioned, ‘But (one of the members) is missing.’ I was puzzled because they looked so similar. So, the mothers of NewJeans exchanged opinions, and we asked CEO Min about it. It was clearly something we had initiated."
Kpop idols start releasing stuff like teasers and concept photos before the actual comeback date. Illit's first teaser dropped on March 6. So am guessing since the complained internally and were getting ignored by Hybe, they were planning for worst case scenario. But I feel like if Hybe had handled this internally instead of going public with it, it would have ended quickly.
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are you serious? thank you for the laugh
Save your thank you for later. I have been a kpop fan long enough to know that at the end of the day it's just business for these companies, so it will be easier for you to handle when the time comes if you actually stop thinking that HYBE can do no harm to BTS because they are family. All that Family bullshit is just a form of fan service and delusion companies sell to get fans to become so invested in the company. Don't say no one warned you.
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Am genuinely curious about something. Not too long ago, we witnessed Exo members engaging in a public war with SM. Back then most fans supported the boys. With the way fans of BTS are siding with Hybe unconditionally, I can't help but wonder if they will still be taking HYBE's side if this war were between Hybe and BTS.
Thanks to Baekhyun, we learnt that the resigning a contract before it's expiration bullshit SM pulls is usually done under some kind of pressure, and Hybe did the same to BTS and got them to resign for 7 more years. I don't know what the boys were promised when the resigned, but if there is one thing we have seen from this mess, it is that Hybe is not so great at keeping promises. So it might not be too long before we get a BTS vs Hybe. Who knows if the Boys are already getting ideas watching all this mess unfold.
