Posts by noctrum
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8 years, and anticipating 80 more
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Wrong Many of those groups including others have made. Huge noise outside of Asia including many nominations, cultural awards and diplomatic event's. You are correct jpop and it's system is what started kpop. Fact of the Matter is none of them made huge in the west because of the world climate and the level of technology of the time. Back when kpop started especially around dbsk era most people couldn't even point on south Korea on a map let alone name a Korean. The popularity and exposure wasn't there nor the interest in markets outside of Asia hence why nobody catered to western fans or translated shit. But as tech got better so did exposure and change in culture
I can respect your opinion when it comes to Korean culture but then you completely lose perspective on kpop groups and their impact in comparison to BTS. It's pathetic really.
Define "huge noise outside of Asia" - Kpop in europe was nonexistent, or was Big bang's MTV europe award the pinnacle of achievement? or the kids/teen choice awards in America perhaps? You don't have to like BTS but pretending that they aren't playing on an equal field with mainstream US artists in America and rest of the world is laughable.
Cultural awards? who else had the Order of Cultural merit (5th class) aside from BTS? the youngest recipient in decades?
When you spout lies and exaggerations, it forces armys to correct you and makes us the bad guys lmao
I swear you all act like 2nd and the rest of 3rd gen come from the stone age and had to use pigeon carriers to distribute their music.
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Yet again instant defense and fail to understand. The majority of people who are divided over this law is in regards to the specifics and a member of government talked about what should the requirements be. All the shit you just said trendsetter? Sprrad of culture and prestige? All have been done before from rain to dbsk/tvxq to jyp yg and sm creating kpop which would never have existed without that this includes BTS. Psy did all of that BigBang did all of that including g dragon who's often the trendsetter for almost anything fashion and art for the last 20yrs but i digress. What people want to know is exemption law for you making a trillion dollars? Is it for being awarded every award on earth or something else? Because national prestige and culture is far too vauge many have done that.
Lol
If psy, big bang, rain, dbsk were all so stellar then years before bts even debuted, their achievements should have made ppl realize how far reaching an idol's impact could be and started the talks of exemption except they didn't...not until BTS changed the landscape of things.
Vague? Bts' impact could be quantitatively measured in numbers of economical impact, tourism, how they're recepients of order of cultural merit, official diplomats; noms, awards & achievements in global music markets. Name one area bts hasn't excelled over their predecessors.
As for the criteria, i understand the difficulty in establishing a standard, a criteria that's deemed fair but no matter how that turns out, i argue that it doesn't change the fact that bts deserves exemptions because they have EARNED IT. It's not bts' fault that the whole thing has been warped beyond recognition and twisted with so many political ploys.
Preferably, bts should be exempted on a singular basis, as opposed to making some arbitrary law that's never gonna satisfy the masses
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First kpop song I heard: gee
Favorite kpop song: euphoria (does still with u count 😭)
Kpop song that grew on me: blue hour
Most underrated kpop song: nine muses wild
Favorite kpop music video: boy with luv
Worst kpop song I heard: sticker
Kpop song I hate that I love (guilty pleasure):
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Exactly what people are explaining. But fans head empty zero thoughts go on a knee jerk defense spree when it's brought up🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡.
Most people who discuss this here in Korea want to know what the specifics are, what's the qualifications etc how is it determined. Funny how these international fans Keep bringing up athletes etc lol learn our history and maybe they would learn something. This same shit, happened to them when the first iteration of the exemption law was introduced decades before 90% of you were born and before many of you could name 10 countries on a map. There's a shit ton of groups past and present that has or is doing what BTS has done,yet none has exemption. This isn't some QQ my fave didn't get one bs no this is asking what are the absolute requirements for this new law. Is it some political thing to get you some kickbacks? If its for kpop then what are the requirements, etc? The government has been very vague about the details. Koreans are very skeptical of anything new regarding laws and the like so there's always a good deal of discussion about shit if a specific person or group gets the target painted on them to try and deflect the heat from them, then that's unfortunate but classic politics. Like i said before this bs in reality isn't about BTS they are just being used for this to be pushed through.
What groups have done or is doing what BTS is doing? If according to you what BTS has achieved is nothing out of the ordinary then what exactly gave rise to this exemption debacle & new proposed law? Are you going to start saying it's from hybe bribing officials?
This entire thing rests on BTS' widespread soft power, raising national prestige and glory, spread of Korean culture and in that regard, nobody is doing it like them. BTS aren't just popular in one country or continent, they are popular everywhere, a global phenomenon in the truest sense of the word.
Elite sports has always been held in higher regard than music, and with decades of practice in handing out exemptions to exemplary achievements...people are much more inclined to accept it. But when observed closely, for eg., SHM lives in London most of the time, he plays for a foreign team and definitely doesn't donate his pay to support the Kr economy; how does that make him more representative of Korean culture than BTS? They're all doing wonderful things so why is BTS unfairly scrutinized?
Classical musicians are pretty niche, respected for their skills but apart from ppl knowledgeable of the field, they're not nearly as recognized globally as BTS yet others wouldn't argue that these musicians deserve less.
BTS are trailblazers and is unpredecented in many ways and that's not something ppl can argue against. If others were so special, surely someone would have thought to award them exemptions?
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They should go enlist. Period.
I saw too many international kpop stan and army who know nothing and is supporting the exemption of BTS because of their huge global achievement. However, global achievement should never be consider as a reason for exemption.
and also for people saying "only controversial because it is BTS". This is a very very ignorant statement and really isn't true. Fans need to stop thinking everything against their faves is haters. Military service for male citizen in Korea is a national duties and have been there for a long time. It is their culture.
you might be able to argue that if SK didn't already have a long history of awarding exemption based on achievements to athletes and classical musicians. BTS has represented SK on many international platforms and occasions and is recognized as a huge cultural asset and has been since 2018. They aren't just successful, in their success, they've positively spread Korean influence worldwide. Their existence and success inspired this debate. Just because it has never happened before, it doesn't mean BTS can't be the first group to be exempted, even if they remain the only ones for a distant future, they fully deserve it.
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a korean man in his 20s naming stray kids and exo as exemplary achievements?
this is oozing exols harassing the blue house & melon in 2016 to remove bts's melon daesang vibe
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And if you think the rage on pann from kpop fans is representative of SK then i'm going to laugh at you
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Interesting that they're blaming Yoon Seok Yeol considering he doesn't take over until May 10th. If an investigation is being started, it's under Moon's authority.
well...it's his inauguration ceremony and not Moon's....
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oh the logo is amazing, their graphic team is amazing, i'm hyped -
the question should be, does BTS serving as 7 additional foot soldiers in SK benefit the nation more or will them continuing their career benefit Korea and the culture more?
Display MoreHybe is ultimately damaging BTS by making that statement about the exemption law saying the members are suffering because they can't plan their lives until the law is settled. This is not a good thing people here in Korea have already began comparing them to Steve yoo, Steve yoo was a very popular idol, he like BTS said he'd serve when time came. But in his case when time came he fled and avoided enlistment. The public and his fans turned their backs on him. His backlash got him exiled, the government revolved his status as a Korean he can never return. Even when he had a death in his family the government denied him entry.
The reasons people have been comparing BTS to him is because they said they would serve regardless of exemption, then suddenly now you get a conflicting statement by the company saying the exact opposite of the members.
This is something you don't do here in Korea there's a few unwritten rules of our society and culture don't go back on your word and don't make excuses for something. Both are serious enough that you normally see people apologize for being sick or will work themselves nearly to death while sick or injured because they don't want to be seen as someone who failed their word or made an excuse. So for BTS to be like yeah sike we not serving will have huge backlash when that time comes even people who were for exemption are being skeptical of the group, these unwritten rules are deeply ingrained in Korea so regardless of which camp you are in if something breaks those rules suddenly you are very critical of those people even if you support them. I think hybe should have stayed quiet here.
People are already having criticism of themin regards to this" can't plan life? Hah pfft but every other Korean man did without problem why can't you?" Or pfft all the other idols did and had no problem enlisting why can't you? You think we are a joke to you?"
no, the members said they'll do their duty when CALLED to serve. If they're exempted, then they aren't called to serve in the army, and would serve their country in an alternative manner which is not against what they said initially. People seem to be forgetting that they haven't enlisted yet because the order of cultural merit that they were awarded a few years ago granted them 2 extra years.
Steve Yoo naturalized in the states and practically defected, it is not at all comparable to what BTS is going through.
And honestly, depending on what PC translates, the tone of the public kpop fans perceive changes daily- it may seem like there is rising backlash against BTS but that's just noise from kpop fans of other boy groups, (ggs) and men in their 20s/30s. The older demographics from polls supports BTS.
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All this is taking me back to Nov 2018 to when kpop fans were blasting everywhere on media that BTS is killing kpop in Japan and would get every Korean artist banished LOL Now kpop fans everywhere are uniting because there's a huge target on their back.
Wrong this comes because of how our country is. A few unwritten rules of Korean culture are don't go back on your word or make excuses for something. This is a serious enough thing across all ages and demographics here. The reason they are getting hate is they originally said they would serve regardless. So for now to be like the exemption status is causing stress etc makes them look bad and people here see that as a problem they are already comparing BTS to Steve yoo a popular celebrity who vowed to serve but deserted and got exiled for doing so his fans and the gp turned their backs on him. So people are saying " having trouble planning life? Lol every other Korean man did so without a problem why can't you?" And well every other idol served without a problem why can't you" basically the why are you making excuses and why are you going back on what you said
BTS originally said they'll serve when called to serve. Don't put words into their mouth. If they're exempted then they aren't called.
Steve Yoo naturalized to the US and deserted his country, how is the situation at all comparable to what BTS is going through? The SK government has been planning on granting BTS an exemption or reduced service since 2018. BTS never sought it. The government has been dangling this for 5 years already. Before Hybe or BTS has stated their position on this, other companies have jumped on to it, using BTS as a target to score something for their other groups.
Covid has already caused BTS to cancel the MOTS7 world tour, cancel a lot of online and in person concerts already in the span of 2 years, now they need a firm answer on what BTS' choices are, so they can plan their activities accordingly.
It's honestly really pathetic of people jumping on BTS when it's the first time a Korean group has ever warranted this kind of political maneuver.
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Having expectations is your problem. The members never encourage solos and even concerning their mixtapes have always made it a point to assert the importance of group activities over mixtapes.
And why should what solo fans affect what the members decide? If they go separately, good for them, go as 7? good for them. It should be their decision not because its sth that pleases solos
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believing news source from jtbc whom has attempted to break into hybe before is hilarious and stupid.
Yesterday you had tae saying the group is pondering a friendship tattoo on their ass and jokingly marrying each other and today solos can't get it through their thick skulls that perhaps the 7 of them would want to go through an important chapter such as military enlistment together?
The solos crying over "consideration of fans wanting individual activities" should choke because yall do not matter at all in the grand scheme of things nor should fans be a part of their decision process.
