1M is the new 500k for girlgroups and 2M+ is the new 1M for boygroups

    IVE from a non Big-3 agency who debuted like 3 months ago is already selling 400k+ on Hanteo, probably close to 450k or more on Gaon with just 2 songs and like a month after their last cb where they sold 300k on Gaon. How much more will they be selling with a proper full album by the end of this year? The numbers are crazy now, so the benchmarks are def moving up.


    GG Sales Tiers

    S Tier: 2M+ - Obviously would need a cb but kind of forgone conclusion, Blackpink

    A Tier: 800k-1M - Aespa, Twice

    B Tier: 600k-800K - Red Velvet, by the end of this year most likely IVE, Leeserafilm, ITZY, Nmixx


    BG sales tiers

    SS Tier: 5M+ - BTS

    S Tier: 2M+ - NCT

    A Tier: 1-2M - TXT, Stray Kids, Seventeen, Enhyphen, Exo

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    Underselling bts, they sold 4m in 2019 and their fanbase has doubled since… 8-10 m sales

    Ive is actually at 440k on Hanteo and will probably be at 500k or more on Gaon

    Interesting I have noticed GGs Hanteo sales are catching up to their Gaon number especially in 2022, and all of these groups don't have overseas distribution. I suspect the gap between hanteo and Gaon for these group are not huge like before 2022. Meaning what u see on hanteo are most likely their Gaon number given maybe a few more 5 figure more on Gaon.

    Physicals are becoming less and less relevant in determining a group's popularity anyway. Just look at groups like Stray Kids, TXT, NCT, and Enhypen, who are tripling their sales numbers while social media metrics are barely rising. Don't even get me started on the poor YouTube views and performance on the Korean charts.

    Who's comeback are we preparing for by moving the goalposts in advance?

    Predictions must be in their favour.

    Quote from Deep-Fried Corn Studded DooDoo (723)

    Physicals are becoming less and less relevant in determining a group's popularity anyway. Just look at groups like Stray Kids, TXT, NCT, and Enhypen, who are tripling their sales numbers while social media metrics are barely rising. Don't even get me started on the poor YouTube views and performance on the Korean charts.

    social media metrics? most of bgs hv great social media metrics in terms of followers, engagements & likes. D only thing they suck esp for Hybe grps ( except BTS) is YT views but everything else they are winning. Also, physical sales are important coz they earn more ! Just bec ur faves are poor in physical sales it doesnt mean it’s irrelevant!

    So much trash to the environment why cant we just stream stuff like modern adapted humans

    Quote from Oven-Grilled Apple & Lavender Boar (322)

    So much trash to the environment why cant we just stream stuff like modern adapted humans

    I have actually never understood why KPOP fans prefer buying albums rather than streaming songs. Personally I own zero albums. It's so much easier and better for the environment to use Spotify/AM/YT to listen to KPOP, and how many people even have CD players on hand anymore to actually listen via the physical CD they get with the album? But I doubt people will ever stop buying albums, especially with companies now upping the game when it comes to photocards and album aesthetics.

    Quote from Tenderized Sour Horse (741)

    social media metrics? most of bgs hv great social media metrics in terms of followers, engagements & likes. D only thing they suck esp for Hybe grps ( except BTS) is YT views but everything else they are winning. Also, physical sales are important coz they earn more ! Just bec ur faves are poor in physical sales it doesnt mean it’s irrelevant!

    the "physical sales: Agency (95%) Artist (5%)" under SM is sending me :pepe-peek: they really made nct split a 50$ check between 20 people

    Quote from Deep-Fried Corn Studded DooDoo (148)

    the "physical sales: Agency (95%) Artist (5%)" under SM is sending me :pepe-peek: they really made nct split a 50$ check between 20 people

    That was actually proven to be untrue and fake news.

    In the end this came from some anonymous, random internet person with no actual foundation to the speculation and number guessing, that people started to pick up without any factchecking or investigating like happens so often with fake news - and with gullible K-pop fans that believe every rumor, gossip and scandal.

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