one thing i dont like about some kpop fans

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the idols are literally the product

gonna go and break out the hair-splitter and say:

The viewing of the idol is the product, but not the idol itself. Though, qualities of the idol is *very* closely tied to the quality of the viewing in this case.

Edit: the idols are the subject of MV's, audio, stages, merch, etc. Those are the products. The persona that the company and the idol creates by producing, editing, being the subject, that is the for sale bit.

The idol doesn't have a price tag on his or her head specifically. if it were, ownership of the idol would be created and exchanged hands.

Groups are not products... Their music is.

Well I consume music so I am a consumer and the music is the product. Not the artistes. They create the product. Some people confuse the two.

Quote from Kataphract

gonna go and break out the hair-splitter and say:

The viewing of the idol is the product, but not the idol itself. Though, qualities of the idol is *very* closely tied to the quality of the viewing in this case.

Edit: the idols are the subject of MV's, audio, stages, merch, etc. Those are the products. The persona that the company and the idol creates by producing, editing, being the subject, that is the for sale bit.

The idol doesn't have a price tag on his or her head specifically. if it were, ownership of the idol would be created and exchanged hands.

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product in the figurative sense as oppose to the literal but I guess your point is valid that one is selling the image of the idol and thus one buys actual products like merch or CDs or whatever because of the idol and not necessarily the music or the product itself...

its really no different from influencers or celebrities putting their name on products and selling that to the masses...

Quote from Kataphract

kpop fans being customers....ok alright

KPOP GROUPS BEING PRODUCTS NO JUST NO

THE PRODUCTS IS BEING ABLE TO VIEW THE MV, THE CONCERT TICKETS, THE ALBUMS, MERCH,ETC. THE IDOLS ARE NOT THE PRODUCT.

its like instead of calling the tire factory itself the product instead of the tire. Hell naw you ain't gonna tell the factory how to run their shit, just like you can't even begin to expect to be able to control idols' lives, body, or behavior.

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the idol is the product

and company control their idol live