Debunking Western propaganda on Xinjiang thread

Quote from zuzuhhaa

this is reallly happening. there is a genocide happening. there is ample footage, witnesses, and literal pictures of thousands of Muslims being enslaved.. if you're going to deny this then you morally incorrect sorry not sorry. I'm glad you brought it up on here its really important people know and hopefully urge the government to intervene.

Is it accurate to say it's a genocide? Genocide means mass killing of a certain group. Based on the testimonies, it seems that there may be crimes against humanity being committed, but I'm not sure if they're actually being killed. The term genocide is part of sensationalism in the West's anti-China propaganda. It's important to be able to distinguish this as well. There's propaganda on both sides.

Yes, we should acknowledge that there seems to be something inhumane going on here and action should be taken, but I don't think it's helpful to call it a genocide if it isn't exactly that either.

Quote from zuzuhhaa

also even if it ISN'T a genocide, who tf is gonna say yeah keep raping innocent women, force them to become atheists marry men against their will, enslave THOUSANDS of innocent people. just because they have different religious beliefs. is that not what they did to the Jewish people in Germany? They made them live in brutal conditions and burned them the moment they became too weak to work. they didn't directly kill jewish people either... they tortured them to the brink of death and then killed them. the same way these people are being tortured. and how can you prove its NOT happening? if they brought it this far then I'm sure there's much worse going on. many soldiers on the union side had no idea about everything going on during the war until after the Jewish were liberated.

Exactly. It's still wrong, so let's use the correct term for it. It's crime against humanity, not genocide. It's important to be specific about what we're referring to. If nobody is being killed and we say that they are, we're just going to sound like we're spreading a hoax. Using the term genocide for shock value isn't good for the cause because people will claim it's all a lie and refuse to take action at all.

Quote from zuzuhhaa

if the holocaust is considered a genocide why isn't this? their doing the same thing but keeping it lowkey

The definition of genocide: "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"

It's important to be technical and factual when discussing serious crimes. That's all. The Holocaust is considered a genocide because people were killed.

What's happening to the Uyghurs is just horrible and evil, but it can't technically be called a genocide because these people aren't being killed. It's important not to use inaccurate words just for shock value. That makes it seem like we're spreading propaganda, so people are less likely to care.

These people should not be detained in these camps at all.

To confront evil, it's important to describe it accurately and factually.

Quote from arin

Fuck this explanation. If calling whatever is the Chinese government doing in there to those people genocide, will help raise awareness of the horrible things that is happening there, then so be it. At the end of the day, these are just semantics that means absolutely nothing especially when there is a group of people suffering simply based on their race/religion.

I'm just saying it runs the risk of people in charge saying, "Oh, it's clearly a lie, so let's not do anything about it."

There have already been many people who refuse to take this seriously because they think it's all a hoax or all just propaganda. There's a lot of mistrust of the media. I just think it's important to bring facts to people so they know this is serious, that this is NOT a hoax or just propaganda, and that it's a real issue that needs to be addressed.

Awareness should be spread through accurate information so that people know they're not being misled or lied to, so calling it "crime against humanity" and mentioning the horrific wrongs in detail is more effective. People won't take action if they feel they're being lied to.