What do you think of tokenism in kpop?

  • I noticed that some people in this forum tend to use their faves and the fact they stan them as a shield against being called out for xenophobia and racism against Koreans specifically and Asians in general. And that's like saying "but I have a black friend!"

    Congratulations but you can still be racist against Asians even if you stan a kpop group.


    To limit this to the context of kpop, I see some people use their hatred toward kpop (aside from their faves) as if it were a personality trait or a badge of honour and it's seriously disgusting. What do all of kpop have in common? Being Korean, that's it. Otherwise, there's a huge selection of genres and styles, there is hiphop, ballads, EDM, RnB, bubblegum pop, jazz, rock and musical influences from allover the world, including traditional Korean music elements, all this music has in common is its being sang in Korean. there are many genuinely talented idols and many that are not particularly talented, there are many that contribute to the production of their music and many that don't, there are underground rappers, classically trained singers, ballet dancers, graduates from acting schools, bands that play their own music and idols that were street-cast because of their visuals or bought their way in. All these people have in common is being Korean (aside from the few non Korean ones). YOU DON'T HAVE TO like these people, acknowledge them or even check them out, you really don't have to. But the moment you lump all of them together and denounce them as bad and inferior, aside from your faves, then that's your racism speaking. Unless you have literally checked every single kpop group and act, you have no right to make sweeping degrading remarks about them and try to pass if off as criticism and not racism (because you stan a given kpop group or artist) because like I said the only thing they have in common is being Korean, that's racism not criticism.

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  • I wanted to comment something else but this went in a totally different direction.


    My comment was more in line with how I fans tend to hate or drag everything Korean except their faves. Knetz, kfans, Korea anything and everything. Korea is too restricting for their faves, they look so much happier when outside Korea. Why do they need to go back to the hell hole anyway right?

    Don't get me started on how they say start commenting on koreans because of some knetz articles failing to realize they are stanning Korean people too. It's a lot of xenophobia.

  • YOU DON'T HAVE TO like these people, acknowledge them or even check them out, you really don't have to. But the moment you lump all of them together and denounce them as bad and inferior, aside from your faves, then that's your racism speaking. Unless you have literally checked every single kpop group and act, you have no right to make sweeping degrading remarks about them and try to pass if off as criticism and not racism (because you stan a given kpop group or artist) because like I said the only thing they have in common is being Korean, that's racism not criticism.

    For the main point if this dismissive attitude is towards Korean and not KPOP music then it's definitely xenophobic. But if it's kpop then I don't think it can be written of to just that since kpop is also looked at like this on Korea according to some Korean people.

  • its a headache that's not going to be easily solvable, nor is it going to solve themselves. If the potentially racist person in question is willing to change or to learn, great if not---- for me at least I'm just going to interact with them less or not at all. I don't need to be a charity education bot.

    (granted if they are racist towards anyone I care about Imma go at them with a helping of hellfire or a dollop of heavy education depending on their cooperation)

    Tokenism needs to be called out for sure but its a long and exhausting battlefront to go down -- If you are prepared for it, I support you.

  • I wanted to comment something else but this went in a totally different direction.


    My comment was more in line with how I fans tend to hate or drag everything Korean except their faves. Knetz, kfans, Korea anything and everything. Korea is too restricting for their faves, they look so much happier when outside Korea. Why do they need to go back to the hell hole anyway right?

    Don't get me started on how they say start commenting on koreans because of some knetz articles failing to realize they are stanning Korean people too. It's a lot of xenophobia.

    "South career"


    :suure::suure::suure:


    Many ifans habitually say some of the most racist, stereotypical and dismissive things about Korean people and get away with it regularly. And let's not get started on how they expected kpop idols to have phd level knowledge of the world's history, politics and specific societal problems of countries in the other side of the globe. But the moment knetz express concern over something that offends their history or traditions then it's suddenly all giggles and jokes about oversensitiveness and overreaction.

  • South career

    Sorry I don't understand what this means??



    Many ifans habitually say some of the most racist, stereotypical and dismissive things about Korean people and get away with it regularly. And let's not get started on how they expected kpop idols to have phd level knowledge of the world's history, politics and specific societal problems of countries in the other side of the globe. But the moment knetz express concern over something that offends their history or traditions then it's suddenly all giggles and jokes about oversensitiveness and overreaction.


    Completely agree, something that I would talk about in the main forum too but I'm not that educated in the subject :thumbup:

  • i think that's a superiority complex but not sure if I would call it racism

  • it's not racism. They are just disappointed kpop sucks nowadays.

  • it's not racism. They are just disappointed kpop sucks nowadays.

    OP's saying a lot of K-pop stans hate everything Korean-related except for their faves. They continuously talk down on Koreans and expect Koreans to know everything about non-Korean issues. Their faves go to America... They say, "Look at how happy and free they are compared to when they're in Korea!" All sorts of patronizing remarks.

    not reading all that

    Congrats, you've just made it clear you've got a short attention span.

  • Waaahhh muh raycismmm

  • OP's saying a lot of K-pop stans hate everything Korean-related except for their faves. They continuously talk down on Koreans and expect Koreans to know everything about non-Korean issues. Their faves go to America... They say, "Look at how happy and free they are compared to when they're in Korea!" All sorts of patronizing remarks.

    Congrats, you've just made it clear you've got a short attention span.

    Criticism of other culture doesn't = racism. There are all kind of races in America.

  • K-POP and kpop fan culture is toxic af. You are defending that?? Good look dude..

    Defending what exactly? My point is Korea is a homogenous country so you can't compare it to America and brash the things I said in op off as just criticism and not racism.

    Besides I'm talking about actual hatred, degrading, dismissal and mockery. How are you going to call this "criticism"?

  • i have literally seen fans of one kpop group tell other groups like NCT, SuperM and MonstaX to "go back to your country" when they first started promoting in the US but these people out here are trying to deny the racism and tokenism. ridiculous.

    Or how the fans of that one kpop group downplay Korean award shows and music shows "my faves getting a Grammy your faves still local good luck winning on irrelevant inkigayo and MAMA" they don't realize how racist this sounds and if they said thus about a black artist they would be dragged.



    Or people calling aespa twice seventeen irrelevant for having mostly Korean Japanese or Chinese fandoms why is it ok to downplay east Asian demographic groups?

  • Or how the fans of that one kpop group downplay Korean award shows and music shows "my faves getting a Grammy your faves still local good luck winning on irrelevant inkigayo and MAMA" they don't realize how racist this sounds and if they said thus about a black artist they would be dragged.



    Or people calling aespa twice seventeen irrelevant for having mostly Korean Japanese or Chinese fandoms why is it ok to downplay east Asian demographic groups?

    don't remind me of that meme about korean award shows being in the lower steps of the stairs and the american ones at the top :suure:


    about your 2nd point, every time someone uses "only popular in china/sea" or "their sales/views are coming mostly from asia" that's a bright red flag for me. the underlied racism is never lost in me, there people obviously think of asian fans as lower humans than western fans and that's why their views and sales are being looked down upon. This is exactly why i am talking about tokenism, stanning one kpop group doesn't mean you can't be racist against koreans and asians in general. it actually happens all the time in this forum and especially in twitter.

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