kingdom is turning into total shit

That's MNET for you.

I feel bad for SF9 as well not a single group voted for them, and I thought they did better than some others. But what MNET is doing is not the groups fault at all. MNET is just full of clowns. And this episode they are doing "reborn"

Ateez = Rhythm Ta

Ikon = Inception

Stray Kids = I'll Be Your Man

BTOB = Back Door

SF9 = The Stealer

The Boyz = O Sole Mio

Should be quite interesting to see what Ikon does with Inception...BTOB doing Back Door may be fun to watch. Of all the choreo and songs to choose The boyz could have chosen a better one imo. I think the stealer is perfect for SF9. Stray Kids doing I"ll be your man which is my favorite btob song should be interesting. I have complete faith in Ateez so i'm not even worried about them. But if you didn't watch RTK what you're watching is nothing. Same type of shit happened in RTK

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I haven't seen it so which group?

all fair in love and war no? isn't always the group that is most popular going to "win" (is there winning on the show?)

that's what you get if you're dealing with Mnet though right? even if you don't have rigging there's still the evil editing involved...

btw @keaji do you agree with the OP's criticisms in regards to TBZ?

The difference between KINGDOM and ROAD TO KINGDOM is there is NO eliminations. MNET clearly screwed up by telling 3 groups about a budget and not the other 3 and that's the biggest issue right now. Apparently MNET is doing away with a budget who knows, but it's always going to be a controversial shit show, everyone is going to say their faves are being mistreated. It's just how it is. I'm just ignoring that fact and enjoying the performances.

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BtoB and Back Door? I can't even picture that in my head so it'll be super interesting to see! Excited for that one. I think O Sole Mio even if not the best choice for Tbz will still be nice as well

Yeah from the snippet preview it looks like they are going to have fun with it. I wanted so badly to see someone do the K.O choreography.

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Oh no now I really want that too I bet tbz could pull it off great

With what they did on RTK and so far on Kingdom, I'm sure they would have had a damn good shot at that fan movement. I kept hoping someone would do it. lol

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btob doing back door looks so awesome and I disagree about the boyz choice because o sole mio is one of the finest kpop song, also it isnt that dark and hard concept which is very common with groups these days, its a breathe of fresh air..

all song choices this time seem amazing to me, way better than the last round, although I do wish ateez did bling bling rather than rhythm ta cause it has been done, but they will mould it into their own song so its all good...

MNET has been making it obvious with their editing and its getting annoying now

o sole mio is a good song, but as i stated i wanted to see someone do the k.o choreography or one of the harder ones sf9 has.

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I dont wanna get jumped by stans cause they will never admit, you can check out the episodes and previews and you will know lol

firstly experts werent informed about the budget mishap, they arent getting proper streams to judge, they have themselves complained about it... also fans having 50% of the criteria in their hands is just a shitty idea, a single fan is making like 100 accounts, this is just stupidty at this point...

editing is again shit and boring.

for one MNET is known for this shit, and as i stated they weren't any better in RTK. Every fandom is doing the same thing when it comes to voting. when it comes to streaming stray kids is untouchable. thank god it's only 10%. There's obvious groups that should be doing better that aren't, but i think at this point btob is just having fun with it, same with ikon, sf9 i feel horrible for. But it's not just ONE fandom doing this it's all of them including my own.

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kingdom isnt about choreographies anymore.. last round barely had even one good choreography section by any group.. those who did have such section had it too small or not as impactful...

even rtk did better with choreos

I disagree on that. I loved what sf9 did and ateez.

also RTK was supposed to be about vocals and some Choreography, the boyz are the ones who turned it into an entire performance and changed how the show was originally supposed to be. Now you have 3 performance based groups on RTK, so of course it's going to be performance heavy. MNET knew that when they announced it, i don't even know why they reached out for ikon, sf9 and btob instead of finding some other performance heavy based groups to go with the boyz, ateez, and stray kids. But it's been interesting to see what they all come up with.

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experts werent informed about the budget issue so it is definitely mistreatment towards the other 3 groups, btob, ikon and sf9 as experts admitted they ranked the colorful and extravagant stages higher..

i never said it wasn't but it's not the other 3 groups fault, it's mnet's fault.

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all fandoms are doing it no shit, which is why I have complaints with the system, the number of votes now just shows fake numbers as it is just mass voting from same individuals..

also accounts are getting stolen..

mnet has been shit for years, everyone knows that, the thing is, atleast they edited rtk better. they just throw the war thing on every artists face and some are clearly getting affected..

if you follow sf9 and ikon and their other schedules, you will know how they are having some negative affects

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It's not just them having negative affects, you don't even realize the shit Ateez is getting. So don't act like they are the only victims here. MNET is being a shit show to everyone. Again my point is you cant blame just one group or one fandom. It's all MNET. And we all knew they were going to evil edit shit. It's what they do. Your anger should be at MNET not at any other group. SF9 and Ikon are not the only ones being affected by the shit going on.

Ateez had 2 days to prepare 2 DAYS. Because they were filming a drama at the same time as well as a comeback and everything in between that they've been doing. 2 FUCKING DAYS.

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iofc it isnt other groups fault, I am not saying that either...

but people are excusing this by just calling mnet shit and leaving it at that, when a re evaluation by experts is clearly needed now...

even though mnet is shit, its still unfair and needs to be redeemed by them in some way

a re-evaluation is not going to happen and i'm sick of hearing that shit. Even if they "re-distribute the votes fairly" ateez will still be in first place. No one was this bent out of shape when ateez was 5th.

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lol no one is blaming ateez here, every group is having it hard... I am talking about mistreatment here...

fans like you just call mnet shit and get it over with but you all are way too ignoraant towards fandoms who are suffering..

I am not blaming any group here so stop acting like a victim.. quote me when I said its some group's fault? I didnt so if you dont understand the premise of the thread then please leave..

EVERY Fandom is suffering. You are acting like it's just yours. I was clearly stating that my own fandom is getting a fair amount of shit too. You're not the only one. So don't sit here and act like your fandom is the only victim. Everyone is a victim at this point. I never said you were blaming Ateez either I was speaking in general based on all that's been going on since last episode.

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I dont even belong to any specific fandom, you clearly dont understand what I am talking about so kindly dont..

you just said your anger should be at mnet and not any other group.. so yes dont throw things at my face which I didnt say... I have expressed by dissapointment at mnet only from the OP post itself so maybe read clearly.

fandom getting shit and being mistreated by the management are two different things so dont bring that here

Yeah back track on your statements. Cute.

The point is, not a single fandom is affected, EVERY fandom is affected in one way or another. Yes SF9 was done dirty, they got rated the least and no votes at all from any other group. I love SF9 every vote I get it's Ateez and SF9 and whomever else I choose.

Every single person knew that MNET is known for this behavior, TOO and Golden Child had it rough on RTK. MNET edited it to make everything look worse than it was. Every group on KINGDOM is actually getting along and mostly friends, such as Wooyoung and Changbin. MNET is trying to make it look like the groups hate each other when that is so completely opposite.

MNET fucked up, but it's clear they aren't going to fix their fuck up and stick with the story they told everyone. It's sad but that's MNET, EVERYONE who's followed MNET's behavior can agree that MNET is known for this and should really stop running this shit. But yet, they still do it, sadly. It's angering, but that's why I just stick around to watch the performances and vote. I don't go out of my way to make 100 accounts, but every fandom is doing it.

Stray Kids is untouchable when it comes to streaming and it proves just how big their fanbase is. But in Korea BTOB, SF9 AND IKON are untouchable. So, with regards to fan voting and streaming it's really up in the air. I hate that fan voting has a huge impact on the scores in the final run. I wish it was just judged on experts or the groups voting for each other. But again MNET is shit.

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Noo my bad haha, i didn't read it correctly.

I don't know about the video op is talking about because i won't be able to see it until later today. I do think that Mnet's attitude toward some groups (in particular Sf9) is even worse.

But i said before it started, Mnet is never going to let tbz win this again. 50% of the criteria is voting through Whosfan (which has now became a mess with fandoms making many accounts and doing strategic voting) and streaming. So it has nothing to do with their actual performances. The intro performance was ranked only based on Whosfan voting.

The other 50% is ranking done by groups themselves and the experts. I was looking forward to it, since i thought the experts are going to present some criteria and vote according to that. I was confident tbz topped other performances whatever criteria is there, because no one can outdo them, with the way it's all thought out, presented, preformed, connected, no attention to unnecessary things, but a lot of detailed moves, not making a big deal out of one scene/move, doing it all in the way it looks casual, the way the attention is only on the members, their talents and their expressions, using props and back up dancers only as a support (if you take it away, it takes nothing from the performance). They even topped their Rtk performances with how much expressions they were trying to portray and with live vocals while doing all of it, etc etc. I could talk ages about their performance haha, but i'm stuned the first time i see it, and the more i watch it, the more i see how amazing it is and how well things were thought out.

Well experts supposedly stated themselves that they ranked the stages based on how colorful and extravagant are they. So this is the criteria?

Why invite Btob, the amazing vocalist group then, if you place them last in the experts evaluation? What kind of experts would do that?

Also not notifying 3 groups (Ikon, Btob and Sf9) about removing the budget limit, when you rank them based on the extravagance?

I don't think that this is 'Mnet doing it against tbz' of course, i don't think it's about their attitude towards tbz here, but the whole set up of the show and how they are dealing with: it is a mess.

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Lol we pretty much say the same thing only you're for TBZ and I'm for Ateez and feel this way about Ateez Lol. It's been interesting to say the least. I just want everyone to stay safe and not get hurt at this point. Just have fun with shit.

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backtrack? lol quote if you find me blaming any group here lol, you cant cause I didnt..

again you are talking about things which contribute nothing to OP.. I guess you dont understand so let it be lol, I have been following all mnet shows from years, so need to explain that.. there are still things wrong with kingdom which are way more than other shows especially queendom and rtk, which were still executed way better.. just saying mnet is shit does not end an argument lol.

next time mnet can just cut someone out totally and some people will just say "mnet is shit" and leave it at that.. lol

Where do you get off thinking i said you are blaming a group? I never said that. (face palms)

2nd. I read your OP and i was giving statements on it but you clearly aren't even reading or wanting to read what i'm trying to say. So you can continue to sit there and think how you want. I don't care anymore.

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I misread it, i already explained it in previous post. Misunderstanding heh

About the video, i don't know, i haven't been able to see it yet.

I had no idea about SF9 before, but i have to say that i said it after all the episodes, how i saw their screentime was smaller than others.

I can't even explain how sad i was seeing them not getting any votes from groups, i have no idea how those groups voted...

Also the guys are very likeable and their performance was pretty good, so i'm hoping all the best for them.

I'm getting to know them through the show.

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The group voting was every group choosing their top 3 except themselves. So that means none of them placed SF9 in their top 3 votes, which is really sad because i absolutely love sf9 and felt that some of their performances were better than others.