TXT Getting "Westernized" Allegations Like BTS Did In 2017

Kpop itself as its core is westernized and kpoppies are just being idiots, as always

Plus txt already did a bunch of funky, bright songs similar but stan twt is

i thought u had left this forum

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it definitely gave me flashbacks to when BTS first entered the Hot 100 with "DNA", and people lost their sh**.

or when they won at the BBMAS, and it was they "seeking western validation".

now if "Do It Like That" does really well than expected, I can see a bunch of unnecessary think pieces popping up and unstanning going on.

kpoppies...smh..........

To the credit of those kooppies they unfortunately were right. You don't have to look far for evidence of the " chasing Grammys"/ westernization stuff BTS themselves said it when they went on hiatus and it was one of the reasons because they were losing themselves their original image. Unless people have selective memory you can go back and watch/read every interview and live regarding their hiatus etc. I don't usually buy into certain fans just spewing out stuff but when an I told iso becomes reality, maybe you should pay some attention instead of writing it off as nonsense 24/7

Ehhh I'm torn. I think this music is more inline with TXT's sound, so its hard to say they are squarely seeking western mainstream attention. With BTS is was a more obvious shift, especially from the type of music that skyrocketed their popularity. Though i just feel like collaborating with the Jonas Brother isn't really helping them.

The Venn diagram between the Jonas Brothers and TxT is a literal circle, so not seeing how this helps. The Teen heartthrob era of America music is kinda gone and replaced with Kpop to a certain extent.

And although Joe Jonas has a hit with Cake By the Ocean (with DNCE in 2016) it didn't really translate into continued stardom. It was almost like DNCE/Joe were one hit wonders.

I feel like the only way this helps is if its heavily invested in, but i personally don't see a song being promoted as "Remember the Jonas Brothers from years ago and this Korean boy group you've never heard of" working as a good strategy. BTS fans forced America to notice. Unless this is a certified banger and has organic attention + heavy push, i dont see this going anywhere, nor a sign of selling out for western validation (besides the heavy check they are probably cutting to the Jonas Brothers)

My best guess rn, is it will be an inconsequential collab and possibly a waste of money.

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Ehhh I'm torn. I think this music is more inline with TXT's sound, so its hard to say they are squarely seeking western mainstream attention. With BTS is was a more obvious shift, especially from the type of music that skyrocketed their popularity. Though i just feel like collaborating with the Jonas Brother isn't really helping them.

The Venn diagram between the Jonas Brothers and TxT is a literal circle, so not seeing how this helps. The Teen heartthrob era of America music is kinda gone and replaced with Kpop to a certain extent.

And although Joe Jonas has a hit with Cake By the Ocean (with DNCE in 2016) it didn't really translate into continued stardom. It was almost like DNCE/Joe were one hit wonders.

I feel like the only way this helps is if its heavily invested in, but i personally don't see a song being promoted as "Remember the Jonas Brothers from years ago and this Korean boy group you've never heard of" working as a good strategy. BTS fans forced America to notice. Unless this is a certified banger and has organic attention + heavy push, i dont see this going anywhere, nor a sign of selling out for western validation (besides the heavy check they are probably cutting to the Jonas Brothers)

My best guess rn, is it will be an inconsequential collab and possibly a waste of money.

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Dynamite was released in 2020 and bts have been getting accused of being "westernised" since 2017. Anyways bts has broken the barriers between western and kpop industry so these kind of drags make no sense now.

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Dynamite was released in 2020 and bts have been getting accused of being "westernised" since 2017. Anyways bts has broken the barriers between western and kpop industry so these kind of drags make no sense now.

I mean, if you wanna go with that narrative fine. But I'd argue majority of the BTS selling out talks, picked up when they released bland/palatable english songs stripping themselves of both korean and rap to get wide US appeal. The accusations in 2017 were in bad faith imo and are easier to dismiss than the actual criticism over the English trilogy.

And to your 2nd sentence, i think that's very dismissive of what BTS are tbh. The barrier between western and kpop industry is still there. BTS solo tracks can hardly get radioplay and definitly not if they are korean singing. Then you have groups like Stray Kids who do well on spotify and breaking sells records but MIA on Hot 100.

BTS didn't really break the barrier, as much as through pure willpower of fans, they built a ladder over it. Barrier is still intact imo. It’s just not as niche and corporations recognize the ability to profit on kpop, while still keeping it as an arms length with the GP.

Very similar to Western stans stanning indie groups that suddenly have a mainstream hit.

"Now it's popular so it succccccckssss "

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I mean, if you wanna go with that narrative fine. But I'd argue majority of the BTS selling out talks, picked up when they released bland/palatable english songs stripping themselves of both korean and rap to get wide US appeal. The accusations in 2017 were in bad faith imo and are easier to dismiss than the actual criticism over the English trilogy.

And to your 2nd sentence, i think that's very dismissive of what BTS are tbh. The barrier between western and kpop industry is still there. BTS solo tracks can hardly get radioplay and definitly not if they are korean singing. Then you have groups like Stray Kids who do well on spotify and breaking sells records but MIA on Hot 100.

BTS didn't really break the barrier, as much as through pure willpower of fans, they built a ladder over it. Barrier is still intact imo. It’s just not as niche and corporations recognize the ability to profit on kpop, while still keeping it as an arms length with the GP.

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I mean, if you wanna go with that narrative fine. But I'd argue majority of the BTS selling out talks, picked up when they released bland/palatable english songs stripping themselves of both korean and rap to get wide US appeal. The accusations in 2017 were in bad faith imo and are easier to dismiss than the actual criticism over the English trilogy.

And to your 2nd sentence, i think that's very dismissive of what BTS are tbh. The barrier between western and kpop industry is still there. BTS solo tracks can hardly get radioplay and definitly not if they are korean singing. Then you have groups like Stray Kids who do well on spotify and breaking sells records but MIA on Hot 100.

BTS didn't really break the barrier, as much as through pure willpower of fans, they built a ladder over it. Barrier is still intact imo. It’s just not as niche and corporations recognize the ability to profit on kpop, while still keeping it as an arms length with the GP.

I respect your opinion but I believe that they've broken the barriers, otherwise we wouldn't bee seeing all these kpop stars promoting on western shows, these western labels and artists are so open to the collabs with idols which was much harder back in the day, it's much easier for bgs with no streams to chart on BB and get top album in US without any gp recognition, and radio has always been the playground of big labels. You pay, u get the radio.