Thoughts on the LE Badge process

    Hey all - there’s some interesting feedback on the holiday badge voting thread so I’m just pulling into a seperate thread so I can keep the thoughts together and seperate from the holiday badge chat.


    Ten felt like a reasonable number to get LE badges. I don’t deny sometimes it can be a struggle - it’s been a struggle for me as a petition maker sometimes with our declining Czennies on here, but as a badge maker, I also understand that there has to be a cut off amount.


    It won’t take me any less time to make a badge if I have three orders or thirty-three, so there’s a finite amount of time there for all of us so we want to make sure there’s a viable demand.


    We’ve tried to do all badges submitted rather than force ranking on size. This is partly to try and squeeze in those smaller fandoms who may have missed out in the old process. This is partly because we have a larger team but Ngl, on a month like September where we had many orders, it was a sprint. :sweatr:


    But I’m curious to hear thoughts and feedback! It’s an ever evolving process

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    Honestly I think the biggest issue for smaller fandom isn't necessarily always getting people to sign up, but getting people who can get the akorns to sign up. There are a lot of multis here who are fans of smaller groups and also bigger groups and when it comes to those bigger groups where they can order both regular LEs and member LEs that it makes it harder to support smaller groups because you're putting more of your akorns in bigger groups.


    But there's not really a solution for that one because of the akorn system.

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    MissBehave  russianvelvet

    xx-jenn-xx


    Just moving the discussion here..

    ahh, I was not trying to cause a problem. Like Yes, I know the bigger fandoms vote and will buy the badges, but the smaller fandoms or people like myself, who do not stan those groups miss out because the ones i do stan don't even come close in that vote to get a badge. Now, I'm not saying no one is in the holiday spirit and that I should just ignore it but you, yourself said the top 4 that get the highest votes would be made into badges. So, assuming that's what's going to happen, and seeing the groups I stan not even close in votes, it kind of makes you feel defeated. Of course, I am bias and would like all the ones i submitted made but if i had to choose one, I would like to see Infinite's simply because they have NO badges what-so-ever on this site made. I am not about to go around "begging" for votes, that would be unfair, I feel. If we are to be honest all the ones in the lead have so many badges made, both regular, le, special things etc, compared to no le's of up10tion, nothing of sf9 and certainly not a single badge of Infinite.


    As Quirke, humbly put, It is tasking to get people to sign up for an LE slot of smaller groups. I mean i had to ask you if you were still interested, and I had to cover the last 2 slots myself. No amount of spam, begging, asking worked to get the last 3 technically for Trendz. They are so "nugu" around here. It is a lot of Akorns to dish out for those 2 extra badges that people may never want (assuming). The only thing that works is static badges and petitions and hoping people buy a 10 akorn petition and that's where the support comes in handy the most. It's much different with LE's for a small fandom.


    I personally, do not have a solution, because It would not be fair to "lessen" the amount required for a smaller fandom when it's required for the bigger ones. Though the bigger ones can easily get a sign up without an issue. I am not trying to ruin any of the special/fun holiday ones either, but maybe (assuming you are in a giving mood for FUTURE events) you can take one or 2 of the smaller fandom voted ones in addition to however many of the larger fandom ones. I mean the gap in votes is just..insane. Again I'm re-iterating that I was not trying to cause an issue but going by what was posted and assumed that you're only giving 4 slots out, which yes, you don't even have to do and I'm thankful at all for that...but one group has the top 2 spots and I just wanted it to be fair for everyone.

    I don't really have a solution to getting smaller group LEs honestly, I'm just grateful that groups like Trendz can get enough backing to go ahead with it.

    I think @quarkie stated it the best: It's more of an akorn thing. We need people with akorns, not people who stan these groups, to back these LEs. Going back to Trendz, we're lucky enough to have you and xx-jenn-xx to back this (not that Jenn doesn't stan Trendz.)

    Maybe there could be a 'class' system in place? Where smaller groups get a smaller goal of people for the LEs? But idk if the big fandoms would like that.

    Quote from quarkie

    Honestly I think the biggest issue for smaller fandom isn't necessarily always getting people to sign up, but getting people who can get the akorns to sign up. There are a lot of multis here who are fans of smaller groups and also bigger groups and when it comes to those bigger groups where they can order both regular LEs and member LEs that it makes it harder to support smaller groups because you're putting more of your akorns in bigger groups.


    But there's not really a solution for that one because of the akorn system.

    ^^^ This


    I have seen a handful of people be more stingy with signups, especially with the nuking of akorn weekend. It’s why I was hesitant to try for another le for groups like mamamoo or billlie because well yeah they have successfully received enough support in the past, it will be harder to get support for another badge. A lot of users are prioritizing their other faves.


    Additionally, since the le system was put in place, users who might have supported these orders have left the forum altogether or became significantly inactive over time. Larger fandoms can shoulder this kind of thing better, but smaller fandoms won’t be able to.


    I am mulling ways I could try to remedy this. I feel like in order to get orders through for small fandoms, I`d have to cover a lot. Not just the empty slots, but I`d also likely need to cover slots for people who would want to sign up because of the prioritizing thing. Like, i`d have to pay people to get them to sign up.


    Like, I`d love to get le for my ult group p1harmony for instance, but that would be a very uphill battle. There’s only 3 people off the top of my head that would might be willing to pay the 950 up front. Then I have possibly 4 that I could get to sign up, but then I have to subsidize a large amount of their akorns to even get them to sign up. And that leaves 3 slots for no one that I`d have to cover further.


    I know one of the solutions is to pool together a fund for whatever empty slots you have. LSF did this for Eunchae`s individuals for Fearless, and that worked out. I think when you have a couple or so empty slots, that`s not too bad, but you know, the more you have to subsidize, the more you want to throw the towel in and not bother, you know?


    There isn’t really a solution I can think of though because we don’t want to undercharge for these. They are still a lot of work to make and take up space, so they should cost a lot, and it’s good to make sure there is a demand for them, but yeah I think since the nuking of akorn weekend and users leaving, it has overall become a bit more difficult to fund these badges. So that definitely is kind of disappointing to say the least and it would be nice to somehow address this.

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    Quote from the101

    MissBehave  russianvelvet

    xx-jenn-xx


    Just moving the discussion here..

    I meant to reply and forgot. I think the LE request process is actually the best that it coups be right now. It's hard for small fandoms but can be doable if you have at least a few dedicated users willing to shell out. The problem is getting akorns now is harder than before. Also, lots of the small groups don't necessarily have the few people who ult them. Multifans have to be choosy with their akorns. Like i would love to support more groups, but i will always prioritize Exo and MX. It is what it is tho.


    What I would like to see is smaller fandoms get included in the fun stuff more tho. Like the events, surprises, and bonuses. I know it's disheartening for stans that aren't well represented here that every time there's a cool thing happening, they know they will get shut out. Why even bother participating, nominating, and voting? You will never win. I know that favoring the bigger fandoms is necessary but I think it should be remembered that there are other fans combined make a big portion of users too. It's important to cultivate loyalty among them too cuz big fandoms will eventually become smaller fandoms. You can't put all your eggs in those baskets. I would love to see a wildcard included when we do fun events at least occasionally. Like we are giving 4 holiday badges (two slots to the same fandom). Maybe include a 5th slot for a fandom that has no gif badges. Just my two cents. Also, I think bonus event winners should be limited to one slot per fandom to spread the wealth

    I'd be willing to get a p1harmony LE, small fandoms support small fandoms <<3

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    One thing that I am curious about is:


    I get why individual badges require that every member meet the minimum sign ups. If you did, idk, 8 out of 10 members of a group, people would be asking where 9 and 10 are. (Even though they could have ponied up their akorns if they cared so much about those members in the first place...)


    On the flip side, not every era suits every member equally well, and I've noticed that I can easily get people to sign up for one person in one comeback and then be begging to give people akorns to sign up for them in another one. And tbh, there are some MVs that have come out that I'd had to deliberately count the members because it's like the director hated one of the members or something, so I can get why people wouldn't want to pay 700 akorns for that badge (and I'd feel sorry for the Content Crew trying to cover up how much that person got screwed over).


    Is there any potential for requiring something like, IDK, 70% of the members have to meet the minimum or something? I've been thinking this through as I've typed it out, so I may be kind of confusing. :sweatr:



    I do want to say, on the whole, I really like this preorder system. I like paying up front and just getting my badges when they're released, without having to anxiously be online or trying to farm last minute. I like that it makes people be a bit more thoughtful in what they try to petition, rather than trying to get every bit of content into an LE badge. I like that that point makes it so there is room for smaller fandoms to petition badges, which in turn seems to get other people to sign up for MVs that they think were really cool, even if it's not their main fandom.

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    Oh, and not an LE badge thing, but for static badges, do you think there's a way of approaching it to figure out what people are interested in buying? I'm not sure what the shakeout was for the "third gen" (or whatever one it was) for how many group badges were purchased vs unpurchased, fandom badges, individual badges, etc. But tbh, there are some groups where I am solely interested in getting a fandom badge and I know I'm not going to buy the individuals (because I put 90% of my akorns into LEs... @quarkie is right on the scarcity of akorns remaining a sticking point).


    I always kind of feel bad for all the effort being put into a massive new badge refresh, and then you see that like, one of them is actually purchased. IDK, probably gets back around to that "then what's the minimum" issue.

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    Quote from centen

    I get why individual badges require that every member meet the minimum sign ups. If you did, idk, 8 out of 10 members of a group, people would be asking where 9 and 10 are. (Even though they could have ponied up their akorns if they cared so much about those members in the first place...)

    That was a me thing and I wanted to discourage akgaes. There are some members who would have a shit ton of badges now with others having 0 in that case. And that could lead to the "bias" accusations that I detest.


    If everyone feels it is nonsensical though, I'd consider doing away with it.


    BE FOREWARNED ARMY, IF THERE IS A GROUP COMEBACK, YA'LL BETTER PETITION FOR ALL MEMBERS OR SOME ARMY CARDS ARE GONNA BE REVOKED.


    And yes I meant to put that in caps :tea-bee:

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    It's important to cultivate loyalty among them too cuz big fandoms will eventually become smaller fandoms.

    Just reacting to this: I've been around akp long enough that it was legit a big reminder to me how long it's been given that SNSD couldn't even crack the top 6. I remember when these boards were dominated by SNSD vs. 2NE1 threads, and these days, SNSD didn't even try for individuals for the Forever 1 comeback.


    I'm done aging myself now.

    :pepe-hehe:



    And I agree broadly with your post: I think the other difficult thing is that most of the smaller fandoms here are made up of multi-fans (not counting the people who are all suddenly Nevies now that (G)I-DLE is slaying... :pepe-tea: ), not really a hardcore group of stans for just that one group the same way that there are people who like only EXO (or whatever) and no one else. So like you, I prioritize my faves and try to help out where I can, but back to: akorns are scarce and my faves aren't the largest fandoms so I often fund more than just badges for me too.





    Just to be broadly clear: I'm not really griping about the akorn thing. I understand running a site isn't free, LE badges take up server space, so there has to be an incentive for people to :pepe-cha-ching: on occasion. It's just a rock and a hard place kind of setup.

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    Quote from MissBehave

    I meant to reply and forgot. I think the LE request process is actually the best that it coups be right now. It's hard for small fandoms but can be doable if you have at least a few dedicated users willing to shell out. The problem is getting akorns now is harder than before. Also, lots of the small groups don't necessarily have the few people who ult them. Multifans have to be choosy with their akorns. Like i would love to support more groups, but i will always prioritize Exo and MX. It is what it is tho.


    What I would like to see is smaller fandoms get included in the fun stuff more tho. Like the events, surprises, and bonuses. I know it's disheartening for stans that aren't well represented here that every time there's a cool thing happening, they know they will get shut out. Why even bother participating, nominating, and voting? You will never win. I know that favoring the bigger fandoms is necessary but I think it should be remembered that there are other fans combined make a big portion of users too. It's important to cultivate loyalty among them too cuz big fandoms will eventually become smaller fandoms. You can't put all your eggs in those baskets. I would love to see a wildcard included when we do fun events at least occasionally. Like we are giving 4 holiday badges (two slots to the same fandom). Maybe include a 5th slot for a fandom that has no gif badges. Just my two cents. Also, I think bonus event winners should be limited to one slot per fandom to spread the wealth

    Thanks for the feedback. You should really check the holiday badge thread ;-)

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    I totally get why it was done! Because once the event happens, someone will inevitably complain that they missed the 500 pings made to the fandom taglist and the only badge they want is the one that wasn't done.


    It's just hard for me sometimes when I'm dealing with small fandom + some of the fans really like a particular member and can't be cajoled into even taking my akorns to take another spot on a different member + sometimes our MVs get screwed over. (I can't imagine what HYBE would deal with if Jungkook 'accidentally' got 6 seconds of an MV that they shared with everyone else. THE RIOTS.)

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    Quote from centen

    I totally get why it was done! Because once the event happens, someone will inevitably complain that they missed the 500 pings made to the fandom taglist and the only badge they want is the one that wasn't done.


    It's just hard for me sometimes when I'm dealing with small fandom + some of the fans really like a particular member and can't be cajoled into even taking my akorns to take another spot on a different member + sometimes our MVs get screwed over. (I can't imagine what HYBE would deal with if Jungkook 'accidentally' got 6 seconds of an MV that they shared with everyone else. THE RIOTS.)

    YO I worked magic on that Eunchae badge!!! I was proud of myself afterwards, LMAOOOOOOO

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    Quote from centen

    Oh, and not an LE badge thing, but for static badges, do you think there's a way of approaching it to figure out what people are interested in buying? I'm not sure what the shakeout was for the "third gen" (or whatever one it was) for how many group badges were purchased vs unpurchased, fandom badges, individual badges, etc. But tbh, there are some groups where I am solely interested in getting a fandom badge and I know I'm not going to buy the individuals (because I put 90% of my akorns into LEs... @quarkie is right on the scarcity of akorns remaining a sticking point).


    I always kind of feel bad for all the effort being put into a massive new badge refresh, and then you see that like, one of them is actually purchased. IDK, probably gets back around to that "then what's the minimum" issue.

    I don't know what the issues are, but I'll say why i haven't bought all the badges that i express interest in.


    1. Like you, I prioritize gif badges, especially since they have deadlines. There are many badges on my "will get around to buying eventually) list but I keep running into others that I'd rather have first.

    2. I must have weird taste cuz the static badge contenders I like don't often win. I won't buy a badge that isn't my taste. Like I love Baekhyun so much. He's my ult. I didn't buy his static badge tho coz I think it's goofy lol.

    3. The passport/head shot style static member badges just don't appeal to me much in general. I'd be more interested if the statics were more artistic or were more in concept

    4. I'm poor

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