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I also don’t get it. I saw the discussion SM vs. SSE and it’s obvious SM has the upper hand. I know having Wonyoung and Yujin is a great advantage but it’s not as much as being from a big company like SM. SM has more money, resources, to do promos, connections and so on with company stans that will stan the next group they have. Accounts on Twitter and even here discussing about the members that are going to be in the new SM bg. I like a couple of SM groups but I won’t deny that they have privilege. You are guaranteed success and a stable future.
I guess they think that when people say big companies have privilege they think people are underestimating the hard work and endurance that their groups had to go through.
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I also don’t get it. I saw the discussion SM vs. SSE and it’s obvious SM has the upper hand. I know having Wonyoung and Yujin is a great advantage but it’s not as much as being from a big company like SM. SM has more money, resources, to do promos, connections and so on with company stans that will stan the next group they have. Accounts on Twitter and even here discussing about the members that are going to be in the new SM bg. I like a couple of SM groups but I won’t deny that they have privilege. You are guaranteed success and a stable future.
I guess they think that when people say big companies have privilege they think people are underestimating the hard work and endurance that their groups had to go through.
Sm have more money than starship but starship is under kakao a large company who has a lot of money and resources too. Also wonyoung and yujin were both from popular group and wonyoung is the it girl before IVE even debuted. Let's not act ive barely have any privileges.
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Yep, and look at their dorm ffs. It's a literal luxury penthouse, valued at 2.4 million USD, this is all due to the blood, sweat and tears of Wonyoung and Yujin. People need to quit thinking that Starship is some nugu label, Ive's dorm is 10x nicer than BP's dorm and Twice's dorm.
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Yep, and look at their dorm ffs. It's a literal luxury penthouse, valued at 2.4 million USD, this is all due to the blood, sweat and tears of Wonyoung and Yujin. People need to quit thinking that Starship is some nugu label, Ive's dorm is 10x nicer than BP's dorm and Twice's dorm.
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and people claim ive is nugu nugu ive is basically Wonyoung and Yujin with people. ive is not a normal group when they have members for more than 4 years who were also on a reality tv show for some time. That's like adding Lisa and Jennie into a new kpop group and being surprised how well the new group does 
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I don't think there is anyone that really thinks that groups from the Big 4 have no privileges. But it's more bizarre how people undersell the privileges that Produce and other reality shows give as well.
If you just take Wonyoung as an example, she debuted on Produce nearly 4 years ago. Izone has sold 500k per album. Let's also not pretend that Ive and LSF have no privileges as well.
And yeah, people need to stop thinking that Starship is a nugu company. Aside from being part of Kakao, they also have multiple subsidiaries under them, including King Kong by Starship which houses actors like Lee Dong Wook and Lee Kwang Soo amongst them.
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Everyone has privileges.
Big 4 have massive marketing and visibility privileges.
Ex-Izone members in groups have massive easy ready made popularity and visibility (and rigged) privileges.
StayC have BEP privilege.
Idle have Soyeon privilege.
All groups have privileges
Soyeon privilege??? what do u even mean???
Moreso cube is mid tier company that had some big acts so still (G)-Idle has privilege but not as much as other big 3/4 ggs and Ive
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Idle have Soyeon privilege.
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It's cute how before IVE debuted, everyone expected them to flop. But now they didn't, suddenly there's so many mental gymnastics to equate their "privilege" to big4 acts.
Yet failing to explain why other Starship and Izone acts are currently flopping.
Guess what. IVE still doesn't have the same privilege that your big4 company groups have no matter how many essays you write to look like it.
Only fools will believe this crap.
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I don’t think anyone denies there is privilege, whether it’s facilties, caliber of staff, connections or marketing dollars. But “privilege” is too often use it to undermine the talent and hard work of members of groups. Not everyone can make it - even beyond the audition process, there’s the training process, but privilege is often thrown out like these are just people with pulses who are pretty and got into a group and not people who spent long hours to get there.
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let’s say starship and sm were to make a survival show similar to produce, the monsta x one or the upcoming nct hollywood. who do you think would have more people watching and have the chance for success? i say sm. not denying the privilege of WY and YJ had from being in produce but i personally think big 4 privilege is higher.
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let’s say starship and sm were to make a survival show similar to produce, the monsta x one or the upcoming nct hollywood. who do you think would have more people watching and have the chance for success? i say sm. not denying the privilege of WY and YJ had from being in produce but i personally think big 4 privilege is higher.
It's not about starship privilege right here but produce/izone privilege. Predebut unknown trainees from big companies aren't more popular than ex members of successful groups.
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let’s say starship and sm were to make a survival show similar to produce, the monsta x one or the upcoming nct hollywood. who do you think would have more people watching and have the chance for success? i say sm. not denying the privilege of WY and YJ had from being in produce but i personally think big 4 privilege is higher.
Put Wonyoung in MonstaX and let's see.
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So you guys are really going to feign amnesia as if "produce privilege" didn't flop so many times that the phrase "produce curse" was born? I'm sure Gugudan, Weki Meki, Absix (or whatever they are called) Six and the dozens of other Produce groups are all now top competing groups of their generation? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Besides IVE and Les Serafim, none of the other produce groups exploded with the same success.
Now it's suddenly "produce privilege" like everyone and their dogs weren't preaching about how IVE was going to flop (and even now, there are still some delusional enough to think that soon it's all going to wear off and IVE will flop like they were always meant to).
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So you guys are really going to feign amnesia as if "produce privilege" didn't flop so many times that the phrase "produce curse" was born? I'm sure Gugudan, Weki Meki, Absix (or whatever they are called) Six and the dozens of other Produce groups are all now top competing groups of their generation? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Besides IVE and Les Serafim, none of the other produce groups exploded with the same success.
Now it's suddenly "produce privilege" like everyone and their dogs weren't preaching about how IVE was going to flop (and even now, there are still some delusional enough to think that soon it's all going to wear off and IVE will flop like they were always meant to).
Ioi only promoted less than a year while izone for 2 and a half year lol .
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it makes me laugh when you tried to include Kakao as big companies priviledge.
The point of big companies privilege is not "money" and resources, but the attention they get when they debut a new group.
Big 3 companies' group is always successful. They will always have strong digital and physical sales compare to other group from smaller companies.
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ioi is more popular amongst the gp than izone.
izone is like a boy group, fandom driven.
They never have good charting and never more popular than ioi.
People really come thinking physical sales = more popular lol
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So you guys are really going to feign amnesia as if "produce privilege" didn't flop so many times that the phrase "produce curse" was born? I'm sure Gugudan, Weki Meki, Absix (or whatever they are called) Six and the dozens of other Produce groups are all now top competing groups of their generation? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Besides IVE and Les Serafim, none of the other produce groups exploded with the same success.
Now it's suddenly "produce privilege" like everyone and their dogs weren't preaching about how IVE was going to flop (and even now, there are still some delusional enough to think that soon it's all going to wear off and IVE will flop like they were always meant to).
lesserafim only popular and charted well because they are from big 4.
Sakura and Chaewon helped with physical, but digitally, not that much.
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big companies privilege not just having money and resources, but also that group coming from big companies have never failed to have good digital and physical ,and they will always get more attention from the public and kpop fans more than the other.
The different between Produce privilege and big companies privilege is that produce members gain popular through working in a group during their contract time while big companies' group gain attention because of the privilege. People have never seen any members from the big companies group before, but they still are interested in the group and the members because they are from big companies.
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If you really want to compare companies, then you got to do it historically and methodically. I know stans throw out 'because they are from big4!' as a staple and really does not get the underline meaning of it, or even reject that anyone from big4 doesn't have privilege.
Each of those big3 or big4 are backed by brand value and trust from customers. If you look at SM, you get BoA, SUJUs, SHINHWA, HOT, DBSK, SNSD, SHINEE...etc jfc SM musically is HUGE, all the large branding. Do the same for JYP, YG, and now BTS for BigHit. Large branding like these creates a massive loyal followers, so no matter what kind of groups they debuted, people will flock over because they trusted the company for previous brands. Starship, DPS, RBW, Cube, doesn't have big players like those companies, sure maybe they have 1 or 2 groups that you can 'argue' to be as big, but in reality they are not equal. Doesn't matter if some large corporation owns it as a subsidiary, the important thing is are those parent company putting in value for its subsidiary?
If you're comparing dorms, live style, and other things then you must take into account of this: For that company, how many idols or groups are they managing? Do they have enough to cover all idols? Example; SM manages 10 groups, while DPS manages 3. SM idols sleeps on floor, DPS idol sleeps on bed. So now you gotta ask why is that the case, then look at it as a whole to understand the reason.
Are there groups with more privilege? Absolutely. Does it mean they aren't as talented? Probably not. Now, what do you do with that information? Nothing. Just accept it as is. Accept that your biased, favorites, idols, are doing extremely well compare to 90% of their colleagues in the industry. Your idol sells 500k when debuted, mine sells 50k, I cannot do anything about that, I can be biter, or I can accept that my group doesn't have a large following but I know they will be alright because they are talented.
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and?u think group having the most popular 4th gen idol don't get any attention?
at least it's because of a member and not because of the company. doesn't seem like a drag to me but okay
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ioi is more popular amongst the gp than izone.
izone is like a boy group, fandom driven.
They never have good charting and never more popular than ioi.
People really come thinking physical sales = more popular lol
And u actually think charting=more popular?
If songs chart well most of the time it's because of people like the song not because people like the groups lol.
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I also don’t get it. I saw the discussion SM vs. SSE and it’s obvious SM has the upper hand. I know having Wonyoung and Yujin is a great advantage but it’s not as much as being from a big company like SM. SM has more money, resources, to do promos, connections and so on with company stans that will stan the next group they have. Accounts on Twitter and even here discussing about the members that are going to be in the new SM bg. I like a couple of SM groups but I won’t deny that they have privilege. You are guaranteed success and a stable future.
I guess they think that when people say big companies have privilege they think people are underestimating the hard work and endurance that their groups had to go through.
they both have to endure a lot. but just by being in a big company the group start one step upper in the ladder. That is why you call it privilege
But if you come from the big 3 and you don´t get to impress the public ...you ARE PRIVILEGE
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boy group don't usually good at charting. Nmixx still manage to get to top 90 with that shit song. Aespa's black memba was before the chart reform. You can't be kidding me when you said Twice and Itzy don't have good charting.
I guess your meaning a good charting is being in top 10 lol.
and?u think group having the most popular 4th gen idol don't get any attention?
Yes! That's what I'm trying to say.
Having a popular members in a group is different than group coming from big 4 especially when Wonyoung is only popular in Korea, but not internationally. Being in big companies, you get more attention both internationally and domestically and I'm not even out there trying to deny Wonyoung's impact, but still not comparable to big companies.
Nothing wrong with what I'm saying here.
You think hybe doesn't help it?? They helped big times.
Chaewon and Sakura at most is just gonna make the group like izone who have good physical, but bad digital.
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and people claim ive is nugu nugu ive is basically Wonyoung and Yujin with people. ive is not a normal group when they have members for more than 4 years who were also on a reality tv show for some time. That's like adding Lisa and Jennie into a new kpop group and being surprised how well the new group does
this is a funny comparison OP LOL
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Pretty sure mys are perpetrating the narrative that ive has more privilege. I have seen it a lot here and twitter
It's their way of coping for having their bias group being surpassed in achievements by a group from smaller company. I've seen this before, but I won't name fandoms to not be messy. But 3rd generation also had this and we all know how it turned out.
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