RE : why isn't gidle 4th gen leaders

Quote from atropos

Not melon streams....

One song doesn't earse the performance of rest. Itzy is extremely mid to flop in Korea just like gidle. Savage eats up every gidle song not named tomboy. Black mamba a flop is bigger than gidle flops. Dreams come true performed similar to gidle titles being a station song. Let's not forget aespa has what close to 40 weeks t10 on melon debuting in 2020 while gidle not even half in 4 years cmiiw. Ive has more and they debuted dec 2021

Top5 don't mean impressive. Just less top tier competition. They also have a bigger discography

Not much change if you look at gaon. Gidle has 5 out of the 20 biggest 4th gen hits, that's more than any other group.

Their discography is the same size as Itzy's so...

You just seem to consider a lot of groups and songs flops. So are the only top tier groups Itzy, Aespa and Ive (assuming Ive keeps their momentum). I suppose you have a stricter criteria than I

Quote from atropos

5/20 songs are not hits tho. Only one is a hit and that's tomboy imo.

And itzy has more without external help like kda?

Yes I only consider itzy, aespa, ive top ggs. I consider gidle, stayc upper mid tiers.

Kda was not included. Itzy had four songs I think but they ranked higher on average than Gidle's (Tomboy was too new to rank higher).

Suppose that's fair. I'd include Gidle in top tier. StayC too if they continue to deliver but at the moment they're still too new. Izone when they were active and lots of 2022 groups have potential

Quote from motorp77

Their first 2/3 years yes but now they reach their prime but in the last 2 and a half year it's 2 albums. And they barely have anything when they don't release an album. 1 Soyeon solo and a Last Dance. Itzy/Aespa/Ive are very active and already peaked sale wise as good or better than gidle. Their charting are impressive but because of the hiatus since they became charting monsters they don't stay at the top. It's big release, wait a lot, big release.

What the hell is this nonsense supposed to mean?

(G)I-DLE is a top group. Period. There's no point in denying it, right now their world tour tickets are solding out within minutes.

Coming up with oddly specific criteria with the sole purpose to dismiss them is just dishonesty.

Yes TOMBOY is their biggest hit, 4 years after release. So what? You wish your faves could top themselves after many years of activity and the novelty factor faded away.

Hanteo included them in the 4th gen in their 2021 semi-annual summary - Achievements of the 4th generation report.

MNet included them in the 4th gen during the Kingdom broadcast:

Are these Korean media authorities on K-Pop wrong?