Posts by Kazuki21
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source music statement says they already won several defamation cases against LSF in South Korea, and the culprits had to pay as much as 2 million won
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MHJ saying that Le Sserafim needs her permission to be Louis Vuitton ambassadors was one of the most petty things ever
she sent a whistleblower e-mail complaining about lsfm getting a louis vuitton brand deal, how do you take anything else she says seriously. the only similarities i see between illit and newjeans is the fact that they're five and debuted with long black hair. illit is not Y2K like newjeans. i saw idiotic comparisons on twitter and it's basically "look 5 asian girls with long hair looking the same way". the songs are not similar (apparently if you dont do a girl crush music concept you're immediately copying newjeans?), the concept is not the same (girls with powers??), but sure, a messy locker room justifies an FTC complaint?
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And MHJ is following this to the letter.
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wasnt she a source music trainee, while MHJ was at the company? Same as Riize Seunghan...
Just a coincidence
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LSF hate feels forced at this point, it was never about their vocals
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Has MHJ explained these kakao messages?
March 29, 2024
(After recruiting Newjeans' parents) → this was censored before.
QuoteMHJ: Change of plansDisplay More
MHJ: We’ll send the first email on 4/3 and begin the attack
MHJ: There’s no need to delay if we’re going to move on to the second stage of our plan anyways, so attack. As for us, we’ll begin the PR war.
MHJ: April 20th, we will disregard any suggestions for mediation or improvement [of our complaints]
MHJ: Raising the issue to the general public is our goal
MHJ: The best case scenario is if HYBE suggests a compromise with me to prevent a catastrophe
From reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/…&utm_content=share_button
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1. She doesnt want anyone mentioning NewJeans but she can mention them and use them as shield in every presscon. Text messages detail MHJs plans about going public and claim mistreatment before New Jeans comeback even if HYBE doesnt go public.
2. If the texts were obtained using illegal means, they she should sue HYBE, instead of whining in a presscon. If she also believes in her plagiarism allegations, she should sue hybe too.
She wont, she knows her claims hold no real value
3. She has been seeking for investors, ways to take over the company, ways to buy new jeans contracts, ways to get out without paying. And reached the conclusion that the best way is to claim mistreatment. And that is exactly what she is doing. If these are jokes, then are pretty detailed and consistent jokes about leaving hybe and destroying hybe's reputation
4. She can have all the shaman friends she wants, she cant share confidential info about hybe with her shaman. Thats the issue. Also, there were accusation of her paying the shaman with HYBE money and invoicing it as "cleaning services"
If hybe should focus on legal issues, she should focus on legal issues too. Stop crying and making emotional appeals every presscon
Display MoreSometimes I can't with this thread but I had to put my thoughts in line before I write. I debated if I even wanted to come back but I'll at least share this.
1) It has been MHJ's side who has consistently asked that they keep things on the low for NJs comeback and that it should be done in court and let the law decide. Hybe keeps on media playing these texts and MHJ keeps on having to provide rebuttal. She's shown previously that texts were taken out of context and cropped and stitched together leaving out context. Now we're in the same cycle of rinse and repeat. I'm sure you get why she and her legal teams are tired of this BS. Seriously, give someone access to 2+ years worth of chat and I'm sure they can create any narrative they want by manipulating what was previously said.
2) The text that was shared seems to cover 2 years or more from the impression I was getting based on discussions I saw floating around before I left for family event. This is illegal and unethical to be frank. So we won't know who those comments were about and how much of was cut and weaved to create a narrative. This is a serious breech of privacy and probably even illegal at that. Looking at how much Hybe is not even following internal governance that was set up for itself, I guess I should not be surprised.
3) This was supposed to about usurpation of management rights but so far Hybe has shown nothing substantive or shown that their evidence has any merit. They keep on trying to make innocuous meetings into something it isn't. Investment firm meeting and analysts and others that they claimed was attempt by MHJ to gain investments for gaining control is a no go since all parties denied it and gave context to the setting they were in.
In regards to Dunamu and Naver, it was in a setting that was not even a formal meeting about investments and no talks about investments were involved. ALL sides know it is impossible to do anything without permission from Hybe and Dunamu has an agreement with Hybe where they vote with Hybe. Nothing about Hybe's claim about management usurpation holds water and their attempt at narrative building is very apparent and not holding up.
4) Shaman. Now this is very low. lmao bringing in a dead family member into it at that.
If by consulting/listening to shamans CEOs and subsidiaries can be as profitable as Ador, more companies would and maybe should do it. lmao Certainly BSH/Hybe could benefit from it.
I emphasize here again that modern shaman are closer to fortunetellers in Korea for the most part where they do readings on couple's compatibility, auspicious days for big events, etc. If this shaman/fortuneteller (let's just call them fortuneteller since part of what they do is literally translated as fortunetelling) is that good to make a business successful, there will be lineup of people wanting to do a reading with that person.
Of course, there are those shamans that you can find that go deeper into the traditional art but the same principles still hold. Case in point about shamans nowadays:
"Shamanistic fortunetelling is also provided via mobile apps. Jeomsin, developed and operated by local tech firm Techlabs Corp., is the most popular and well-known app. Having amassed over 10 million users so far, the app connects users with fortunetellers who can interpret their saju. The users can conveniently provide their data -- their birth date and time -- via the app to the fortunetellers of their choice. They can also leave a review on the fortuneteller."
Dragging in a friend who happens to be a shaman and bringing in dead family member into this is not only in poor taste but looks like a desperate move more than a legitimate move. They have in no way shown anything besides innuendos and unbelievable claims. I swear their side is starting to sound like I kpop fans at times.
5) Investment by Hybe in Ador. People seem to forget that Ador pays rent to Hybe for office space and for other services such as IT, legal, etc as well as pay for its staff. All of this comes out of Ador's financials. Ador is self sustaining entity. Hybe gets their share of Ador's profit. There is no constant sucking of Hybe's money like some people have stated. It gets tiring reading that.
Fact of the matter is Hybe is dragging everything into the public court of opinion with leaks (let me amend that it's claimed to be leak but not confirmed for the YT one) so they can avoid getting sued along with claims that brings a wow factor at first blush but does not hold water when scrutinized. Now if that YT guy says yes it was Hybe who provided these materials, that's a different story.
Hybe should be focused on legals and proving their case in court but, based on their behavior, the longer this drags on the more I am starting to believe that it really is about the money and not having to pay out MHJ what they promised. And that they are really out to get this woman out of the way using any means necessary.
Their attempt at character assassination is kind of funny and transparent to those who have seen scenes like this playout in U.S. I have more to say but this is already too long as is so I'll end it here and I need to go and continue with family event. Seriously though, I feel incredulous seeing some of the responses here and on social media from I kpop fans.
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its just a play with words from MHJs lawyers.
Apparently, the youtuber has the chats that were presented to the court. Imagine pages and pages of black and white chatlogs.
So the chats the reporter presents are indeed edited to look like an actual kakaotalk, but that doesnt mean they edited in the sense of creating a whole conversation that didnt exist
Chats exposed by that youtuber. Possibly real as his previous one also seems to be real(but claimed by mhj to be 'out of context', edited ).
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R U Next (reality show were illit was formed) was supposed to air in 2021/2022. They group wasnt planned to counter New Jeans
If the argument is:
1. Illit shouldnt have debuted because they compete directly with New Jeans"
2. illit shouldnt have debuted because other labels dont do so
The the answer is:
1. By that logic, New Jeans shouldnt have debuted cause they compete with LSF as 4th gen gg
2. MHJ signed for a company with a multilabel system, when she signed they already had 4 boygroups and were planning to debut more. Ig she expected them to work like SM/JYP is her fault, it was pretty clear from thw beginning there were gonna be several hybe girl groups
The world doesnt orbit around MHJ and NewJeans, she doesnt understand that and even thinks LSF should ask for her permission before becoming Louis Vuitton ambassadors
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