They might succeed British groups tend to last long it seems
You know, there is currently not even one decent british group we can name. I tried looking around and the boyband thing is basically dead. I had not seen any other British boyband group, there are tiktok boyband from UK but have very low views in their youtube music videos.
There are a lot of ethnic Koreans in Central Asia and they might return to Korea and become an idol, but half of Central Asians don’t look like East Asian.
Also most certainly Central Asian people will not become a kpop idol because of the religion.
Yes, your right people like Tajiks look nothing like East Asians
The Kazakhs, Kyrgyzs they look very east Asian generally and so do Uzbek people and Turkmens but they look more mixed.
When I say they look East Asian.
Like the biggest Central Asian pop group look like this
With a name like Dear Alice, I took it as a GG for a sec there.
I think they might have a similar handicap to blackswan, if they are in it to stay in Kpop.
watching the video, I think they might be ok because they clearly have skill, but for some fans, not being EA or SEA would be a little bit of an obstacle to being a fan. (my personal theory is not because of their race, but because of their use of "kpop" on an english language song with members that wouldn't really pass as ethically Korean. )
Edit: I made a grave mistake in writing this post. I didn't realize that they were debuting in UK, instead of korea, due to the subforum it was posted in. Consider my post mistaken and it's authority as a representation of my opinion void.
I personally think it's a bad idea to promote in Korea. It also send the perception that boybands formed in the west are no longer useful so they need SMtown to give them a image boost.
Well there are even now South Asians in Kpop ( of them Indian blackswan, XIN, Katseye). What about Central Asians? They look quite East Asian too except they supposedly descendant of Mongols Mongol Empire, Turkic people and white Iranians people but look more like East Asian than SEA (except for Chinese people in SEA)
I saw a recent performance video of Dear Alicefrom Mnet K-pop released today.
They look to me like a One direction western boyband doing Kpop in english. 5 members all from UK, 4 white and 1 looks South Asian/White mix like Zain Malik).
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They are british boygroup, there’s no need to overthink
Yeah but they sometimes called "British Kpop boyband" because they were partly created by SM management (trained in S.Korea for 3 months) but I think they either be just like a typical British boyband or they be dancing/singing/rapping like Kpop boygroups but with the British style.
the question as always is what is kpop in the first place?
obviously everyone has a different understanding and interpretation of what it is and what makes a group "kpop"
nationality? ethnicity? language? connection to SK? producers from SK? company from SK? does the group have to promote in SK? did the members train in SK? etc etc
Some titles and comments call the British Kpop or in less cases UK-pop.
Nationality: UK
Ethnicity: Mainly English, Irish one of the member is part Belgian
Language: English (may throw a few Korean words)
They were trained by SM Entertainment for more than 3 months or in South Korea for 100 days . They are not going to be promoted in SK I think, they are mostly owned by Moon&Back Media. I think they just selling the image that these boys were trained in SK and that their singing and dancing came from SM, this make people believe they connection to Kpop
The members were selected by these guys who are the owner of Moon&Back Media who decided to partner with SM management.
" Dear Alice (디어 앨리스) is an upcoming British boy group under Moon&Back Media and SM Entertainment. The group consists of James, Dexter, Reese, Olly, and Blaise. The upcoming BBC One show Made in Korea will show the process behind the group’s formation. "
Honest opinion: I think this group who claimed to be "Made in Korea" is just trying to gain some Kpop fans for a headstart because every other western boyband have flopped since 1D. Some people called the UK-Pop or a British version of K-pop but they they just seem like a British boyband or 1D like boygroup. The only difference between them and Kpop boyband was they were trained by SM for 3 months. They have way less Kpop vibe than Vcha and Katseye.
However you can find information on them on Kprofiles , most of them are in early 20's, oldest is 23 and youngest 19 all from UK.
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Yes your correct they are not Korean. They don't sing in Korean either but many Kpop members don't sing Korean or are even ethnic Korean. But we can confirmed yeah they never trained in Korea nor are their producer Korean
But they do talk a lot about Kpop, it's music, styles and what idols they like and people associate that with them.
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I though they were Kpop or something like Vcha or Dream academy. I wasn't interested but I acknowledge they are successful, they tour all over U.S. If they are not Kpop affiliated than this would make them the first and most successful Asian american boyband.
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I have never heard of them until recently. I always though they were just another K-pop group based on how they looked. I later discovered they sang in english and aren't associated with any K-pop company but I feel least half of their fans are related with Kpop but I could be wrong.
Though I'm surprised. They have like 1.6 million subs in youtube and 5.5 million followers in TikTok. They are a lot more popular than I though
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Its a given since they're in the military and they can only promote on social media. BTS is still getting 12 millions likes on instagram when the group took a photo together after many months and 1.5 million likes on twitter. ARMYs became more active as well after Jin got back.
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1.5m likes, 822k reposts, and 180k quotes...
When Jin came back from military, all media outlets from my country were reporting about it. Even when they just simply took a group photo.
That itself is evidence that their popularity is still massive. I think because they show us they are still a family that gets in touch with eachother so people are happy to see them together and trust them.
I remember being a 1D fan and everytime I see people talk about 1D reunion I get fed up with their lies. They been talking a reunion since 2018 and even the latest talk about 1D reunion barely gets more than 5K likes and 60,000 views and thats in months. BTS did not take the path 1D which was lying about a reunion.
I would believe Kpop had been very popular in Latin America and Southeast Asia around the same time. The first western country Kpop was popular was probably.... France. I still see old video of DBSK in 2007 when they arrived in Peru and there was massive crowed of people and also for France in 2011 music bank, 95% of the French fans were local in huge crow of arena and they had boyband like 2pm
Lisa herself made the choice to release an all English song for the American/Western/Global markets. If you asked her point blank whether she would prefer to chart #1 in the Hot 100 or chart #1 in Thailand....what do you think her answer would be?
I have to agree with that too. From musical perspective every person would choose to be no.1 in Hot 100 in the world than just no.1 in your own country. Being #1 in the Hot 100 certainly will improve any artist in global stage. All artist wish to be best around the world.
its actually not racism, its percentage of how much YT premium and Spotify premium costs in the counties.
They really don't care about your race, just where you are from and how big your GDP is.
Is it wrong? yeah.
Is it capitalist? Yeah
Is it normal? Nope.
This is the world we are living in mate.
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You got a good point but I do think Kpop values racially diverse fans more than SEA.
Kpop has a massive racially diverse fan base but I think it's more like 10% white, 10% black, 20% Latina , 5% Arab, 5% South Asian and 15% east asian and 35% Southeast Asian