Posts by knysom

    Hi,


    Speaking of Western Media, my hometown paper is talking about it now and written by John Caramanica.


    NewJeans’ Ultimatum Casts K-Pop’s Displays of Labor in a New Light
    The breakout girl group went public with complaints against its parent company, Hybe, which has just released a new TV series and film about the control it…
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    By Jon Caramanica

    Sept. 25, 2024, 4:50 p.m. ET


    A huge part of the success of NewJeans — the most creatively promising new K-pop act of the past two years — has been its music videos: stylistically sophisticated, vividly colorful, palpably joyful. Starting with music that deploys top-shelf songwriting buoyed by production savvy about global microtrends, the group developed a singular aesthetic to go with it, drawing equally from high fashion, lived-in nostalgia and contemporary cuteness.


    So it was striking when, a couple of weeks ago, the group released a video performance unlike any that preceded it. In a live broadcast on a burner YouTube account, the group’s five members — Danielle, Haerin, Hanni, Hyein and Minji — spoke for almost 30 minutes about their dissatisfaction with their parent company, Hybe. They particularly focused on how it had de-emphasized the role of the group’s executive producer, Min Hee-jin, in their work.


    Here was a group putting its external image and its internal leverage at risk to argue for their creative lives. It is an infrequent scenario at this level in K-pop, a genre and business in which careful choreography — of music, visuals and star behavior — is crucial to the power of the art.


    This livestream, of course, was as art directed as any of the group’s technicolor music videos. The members dressed largely in black, speaking softly in an anonymous office. Out in the world, NewJeans is vibrant, dynamic and approachably fun; in this clip, which some fans speculated was secretly orchestrated by Min, the members were reduced to spiritless cogs, as if trapped and suffocated by the corporation itself. Image

    A woman wearing a green shirt with white stripes and a blue L.A. Dodgers hat, sitting alone at a stark white table. Behind her, four photographers point their cameras at her.Min Hee-jin, NewJeans’ executive producer, called a news conference in April to dispute accusations of corporate malfeasance by her employer, Hybe.Credit...Chung Sung-Jun/Getty Images

    For almost as long as K-pop has been a global force, it has been an exemplar of the controversial virtues of top-down control. American pop labels essentially abandoned this mode more than a decade ago, following the boy band and Britney-Christina era. The influence of social media in creating bottom-up hits and stars has all but invalidated the label-knows-best mode of creation. But K-pop’s commitment to that ethic persists, and has made exactitude into an artistic virtue.

    Nevertheless, human beings pulse beneath these constraints, and the NewJeans rebellion — one of the highest-profile K-pop labor disputes in recent years — feels like a true rupture. It turned a behind-the-scenes executive tug of war into a game of chicken. Hybe can effectively derail NewJeans’s career for stepping out of line, or the members of the group can effectively sacrifice themselves. In the video, NewJeans demanded that Min be reinstated — their mien is somber, but it’s not quite a plea. There is authority and resilience in their presentation, with its frequent mentions of their fans, known as Bunnies — a group that’s loyal to the stars, not the label.


    K-pop idols rarely break character, even in unpolished settings. To the extent that Hybe (formerly Big Hit) is interested in transparency, it is only to showcase the intensity of the work its stars put in to appear perfect.


    But the NewJeans conundrum makes this a curious and perhaps not totally fortuitous time for Hybe to loudly demonstrate its micromanaging methods. That’s the intent of “Pop Star Academy: Katseye,” a Netflix series about the making of an English-language global girl group that’s part behind-the-scenes documentary, part elimination competition. (The show, and the group, are part of a joint venture between Hybe and the American label Geffen.)


    Directed with nervy patience by Nadia Hallgren, “Pop Star Academy” is far more in thrall to the labor being learned and performed than about the art it will be put in service of making.


    The first batch of trainee competitors practice for over a year: dance classes, vocal lessons, style makeovers, media training. What the show renders explicit is the extent to which a pop star can be constructed from almost whole cloth — the star is the training regimen. Even the contestants with ample social media following and defined personalities before joining the competition are slowly broken and tamed.


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    Four women in gray prep school uniforms lean on a white wall behind them.Netflix’s “Pop Star Academy" follows the making of the group Katseye. Credit...Netflix


    At one point the Hybe chairman, Bang Si-hyuk — one of the most powerful figures in K-pop — decides to accelerate the group’s rollout, combining strategy and mischief: “When they wait too long to debut, they get frustrated and lose their spark, which shows in their eyes,” he says, speaking Korean, with a glint in his eye.


    Critique is offered up like air — cheap and ubiquitous. “I didn’t believe it at all. It felt like nothing, honestly,” says one dance instructor; “Are you aware that you’re singing out of tune?” asks a mentor with clear exasperation. Competitors are derided for flat facial expressions, for failing to live up to K-pop beauty standards, for having private Instagram accounts. Those who chomp at the bit, or otherwise push back, are largely dismissed (except TikTok-popular Manon, whom the label contrives to make a part of the group despite her seeming lack of vigor for the idea). One of the more emotionally sophisticated contestants leaves the show once it shifts from training to competition, which the participants hadn’t been fully informed would happen.


    On the one hand, it is bracing and refreshing to hear such plain appraisal. Pop stardom is astonishingly hard work, and the difference between the raw clay on display in the first episode and the polished final product at the show’s conclusion is more than striking, it’s valorizing.


    The final group is scrupulously diverse, apart from height — those who were comparably short get cast aside. Last month, Katseye released its sturdy debut EP, “SIS (Soft Is Strong),” and unsurprisingly, the best and most popular song from it, “Touch,” is the most NewJeans-ish. The group is hawking it relentlessly on TikTok, where they perform its hand-gesture choreography with a variety of K-pop stars, and even Usher.


    There is a glimpse of where all of this relentless work might lead in “Jung Kook: I Am Still,” a new documentary/performance supercut focusing on the youngest member of BTS, who last year became, in disorientingly short order, the most commercially successful K-pop solo star in American pop.


    BTS is the ne plus ultra of Hybe plan — this film is one of several that has focused on the group or its members. It captures, sometimes just barely, the frantic eight-month stretch in which Jung Kook was thrust into solo stardom before enlisting in South Korea’s mandatory military service. Image

    A man wearing a black blazer covered in sparkly white rhinestones smiles as a crowd of smiling fans hold up cellphones and reach to touch him.Jung Kook, of the group BTS, last year became the most successful K-pop solo star in America.Credit...Michael Loccisano/Getty Images

    This is what all the hard work of being in BTS was for, ostensibly — a shot at extending his career beyond the very wide boundaries of the group’s accomplishments. Or put more plainly: more hard work.


    To the extent that “Jung Kook: I Am Still” is a film at all — as opposed to a slapdash collection of casual moments, behind-the-scenes fan service clips and music and concert videos — it is a film about labor. Or more precisely, the inextricable relationship between labor and glamour.


    Like “Pop Star Academy,” it is decidedly unromantic. Jung Kook is alternately enthused and depleted. Even his purported private moments are commoditized: At one point, he’s shown sleeping on a plane. He has a strikingly lithe and sweet voice that’s well-captured on his album “Golden,” a frothy debut that smoothly yanked Justin Timberlake’s comeback lane away from him.

    But if Jung Kook is thrilled to be at the top of the charts, he does not show it. Instead, he doubts his vocal range and his natural dance instincts. If he celebrated his ample successes — including a No. 1 single and No. 2 album on U.S. charts — the cameras were not there. If he acted out or pushed back, we’ll never know.


    Like many K-pop entertainment companies, Hybe is vertically integrated, and exerts a significant degree of control over its artists’ public presentation. It also builds the metanarratives that become fan manna.

    But with success comes courage, or something like it. Not long after NewJeans posted the video about their label concerns, Jung Kook appeared to offer them a measure of support with a pair of cryptic koans: “Artists are not guilty” and “Don’t use them.” Sure, the words appeared on an Instagram account for his dog, but it was revealing — and perhaps indicative of table-turning to come — that they appeared anywhere at all.


    Jon Caramanica is a pop music critic for The Times and the host of the “Popcast” podcast. He also writes the men's Critical Shopper column for Styles. He previously worked for Vibe magazine, and has written for the Village Voice, Spin, XXL and more. More about Jon Caramanica


    -knysom

    https://time.com/7020589/newje…-dispute-management/?s=09


    Didn't realize Time had covered this dispute. I hope the dam finally breaks and journalists from the east and west start giving this the coverage it deserves. No more of this HYBE media play

    Hi,


    This underscores the corrupt nature of Media everywhere…and in this case, KMedia.


    Case in point, I read that Min Hee Jin interview I linked was in the Politics section, not the entertainment section of that paper.


    -knysom

    Korean fanmeeting and album on hold... 2x Why does God allow fatman to live

    Hi,


    She also brought up first week sales. NJ was reported to have sold 38k in Japan first week, but it was actually over 100k, as Japan actually certified NJ album on 7/19, they only do that when artists sell over 100k.


    Billboard also was able to finally reach out to Min Hee Jin. They were sent talking points as well, but didn’t publish a follow up to their initial article (the one with the HYBE stocks going up because she was fired, not because of the buyback) due to it being overly tilted to HYBE. They are trying the same tactic in the US.


    Lastly,


    You ever noticed they didn’t release USA Spotify numbers in that total count either? That’s one of the next dominoes to drop.


    -knysom

    Hi,


    Back to the topic at hand, an interview with Min Hee Jin from the Joongang Newspaper dated 9/26:


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    -knysom

    Sorrybae39 and you know where that scum Jinho Lee got that source from? Fucking GirlsGallery999 from DC Inside :pepe-joy: Home of incels who are LSF and Illit fans. One unknown dude from that gallery said "I know that reporter, he's about to transfer to Kakao" and all those incels spread that everywhere :pepe-joy: Hybe dicksuckers now are soooo desperate that they have to entrust their entire existence to fking incels and a youtube wrecka :pepe-joy: how low can you guys get, genuinely asking :pepe-joy:

    Hi,


    Looking at it from another lens, if proven (and where there’s smoke, there is fire) the connection of:


    HYBE—>DCInside—>Jinho Lee


    Further solidifies NJ’s case that they are unsafe at HYBE.


    HYBE also just brought onboard Hong Seung Myeon, who supposedly has a ton of connections within the courts. Although he wasn’t brought on just for the MHJ and NJ issues, they are hoping his influence is enough to sway courts for the battles that’s sure to come with the following:


    - Mirae (event ends October, first payment due in November)

    - Investors outside of Mirae (same as previous point)

    - Korea’s National Pension Service (Possibly looking to break away from joint decision making for stock holdings)

    - The ongoing investigation by the Korean Fair Trade Commission (due to HYBE’s lack of diligence in disclosure of their full assets)


    There’s more I’m fairly certain - there’s been a ton of rumblings that they are moving money around the labels to cover their losses from other parts of their business.


    Lastly, don’t be surprised if the IRS starts looking at HYBE Americas.


    -knysom

    Meanwhile Yonhap News uploaded this English clip (D-1) about the case:

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    Hi,


    There’s been a deluge of these types of articles through HYBE’s media arms.


    Saying stuff like “Courts will side with HYBE, etc”, “Penalty for NJ leaving around 250-400 million dollars (ironically the number HYBE needs to pay back)”.


    They just hired Minglespoon to sway GP opinion on Korean sites. They will do anything at this point, paying Mirae is their first priority.


    -knysom

    Well they shall sell ador then :wellr: .

    Hi,


    I don’t know about all that, but I just found out their early repayment schedule is this November as the event is going on right now.


    It’s around 230 million won just for that. This is why it was so urgent for them to fire MHJ and tie her up in litigation so that she couldn’t claim her options. Money HYBE doesn’t have. They are really banking on the comeback. Can BTS make around 400 million USD in 2025 so that HYBE can pay back the loan and cover their losses? This is just to cover losses, it doesn’t include profit.


    I know everyone wants to talk about ego this and that, but this is about money too.


    HYBE is under a ton of pressure to pay this off. Can they pull this off? Remains to be seen.


    -knysom

    Not sure if it was answered before, with NJ's ultimatum tomorrow, does HYBE have a deadline to pay back Mirae and NPS?

    Hi,


    It’s not quite that simple and requires some context. The maturity date for this investment was Q4 2026 with get this —-0% surface interest. I’ve heard they are not interested in the leveraged sub labels, but really they’d just want their principal investment amount back —-which is about 150 billion won.


    The problem is they talked other investors into investing and right now with Hybe stocks down about 159k per share it’s a bloodbath.


    They want this money back asap (it’s past due) but they’re not going to get it back so they’ve been rounding up other groups to invest, but the problem is KPop in general is seen as an extremely risky and volatile short term gain.


    They extended it to an undisclosed date because they want their money back, Hybe is short on cash and it’s too much of a loss to walk away.


    The NPS is a different story altogether, they are stuck like Glue with Hybe because of their agreement. A lot of nervous older folks in Korea right now. It’s not good for all sides atm.


    -knysom

    Hi,


    Keep your ears peeled. It’s quite obvious but it’s not being talked about enough.


    Both Mirae and Korea’s NPS have a vested interest in ensuring Hybe’s stock doesn’t fall and they are furious this is happening. It’s not just the MHJ situation btw…it’s Hybe’s really poor decision making. They are a Music label that’s trying to diversify their business into tech, specially AI. The problem is their products have been poorly planned and they are bleeding money. Pick a lane!


    It’s kind of chaotic right now inside Mirae. They’ve been working to drum up investors to Hybe. They need their money back. All this talk of Hybe leveraging their labels is not quite true. Mirae currently has no interest in them, the operational uplift to own labels is not to their liking at this point in time.


    -knysom

    Maybe she sneaked in to smoothly sabotage the project :eyes: ... there must be an explanation :pepe-narrow-eyes: .

    Hi,


    If you recall, Most Ador creatives have been transferred to BeLift. This has been the case for some time now. Ador’s current creative team is also under the supervision of Belift CEO’s right hand man.


    Remember when the Director of Ditto mentioned Hybe wanted him to direct another group’s video? Want to take a guess on which group that is?


    Hybe is just following through with the NewJeans erasure. Don’t forget, they want to drive NJ’s value down and it’s not going to happen overnight.


    This is only another phase of their plan. They have all of NJ1’s songs, imagery and concepts.


    It wouldn’t surprise me if a negotiation is already taking place with songwriters and producers for rights to the songs meant for NJ to be filtered through. It’s either get paid or get blacklisted.


    Seriously, what do y’all expect?


    -knysom

    Usher is speculated to also be a victim. He also started his career at a very young age and potentially saw some things he shouldn't have seen. He spoke about his time hanging out with Diddy, although he didn't specify much.


    These things can mess up a kid or teenager's mind, but they might not realize at the time. They wouldn't be able to truly process it, at least until much later. They might even remain in denial that they were victimized.


    It's overall a really messed-up situation, and I hope all the victims can find a way to heal and move forward.

    Hi,


    He did start separating himself from Diddy as he got to his thirties, but he was already complicit as an adult.


    There are plenty of stories about Usher too. Stories of sexual battery and even being sued for knowingly giving people an STD.


    As far as the executives, where there is smoke there is fire.


    Combs got Bad Boy off the ground for “doing a favor” to Clive Davis and Davis ran the music industry for decades. LA Reid, same thing. When these executives start leaving in droves, it gets noticed. It’s all anyone around me was talking about while I was in LA for work.


    Btw, the Sean Combs rumors started even before the Cassie incident. Rumors about Combs have been going on for decades.


    -knysom

    That's a huge leap of a speculation to make.

    Hi,


    Is it?


    Justin Bieber —> Scooter Braun? That infamous video of Bieber hanging out with Diddy as a teenager, Braun was with him.


    Hybe spent billions to purchase IH. They will be protecting that investment they made with Scooter.


    Outside of that, Numerous music and entertainment executives have been getting laid off/retiring in droves.


    Even Kevin Liles just left and people thought that guy was a lifer.


    Maybe I’m just cynical because of my history in music.


    -knysom

    Hi,


    This is protection for what’s about to hit. Sean Combs arrest will connect a few folks that are connected to the KPop industry, specially those with a Western Presence.


    The streets are buzzin out here, the music industry and Hollywood will have a reckoning.


    -knysom

    Can we talk about how dirty and despicable it is (let me know if you've seen these words used in association with them before) that HYBE literally name dropped ILLIT in their response to Hanni's account of how a manager told a group to ignore her to her face?


    The intent behind that decision is transparent AF. And it wouldn't shock me if the Glits (is that what they're called?) actually get mad at HANNI and not the company dragging them into this incident completely unnecessarily, when Hanni went out of her way not to point out any specific group or idol.


    HYBE is THE worst.

    Hi,


    If you think that’s dirty, this is worse:



    Ador’s Marketing, Branding, Production teams now directly report to BELIFT CEO. Don’t be shocked when their GG become even more intertwined with NJ’s style. They are replacing New

    Jeans with that group. All production and branding from NJ1 will probably shift over.


    Evil.


    -knysom