Posts by bbgc

  • Now that Zico has beaten Blackpink, Ive and Newjeans

    Quote from icyruios

    I will never understand people coming for rookie groups using established artists.


    This is embarrassing for your life and soul

    Not really, because in K-pop, for groups from major agencies, the rookie years are their strongest years, whereas it becomes increasingly tougher for veterans to stay on the top ranks.


    So the usual dynamic of - don't use veterans against rookies, is not always applicable. It depends on the context.

  • Defining an "Idol"

    Is it possible to define what makes a performer an "idol" ?


    Makes:

    1. Identified, trained and debuted by an agency - the idol trainee system pioneered by Lee Soo Man.

    2. Should be a dancing singer - not just sings, not just dances- but does both on a regular basis.

    3. Must be mostly performing K-pop - not pure ballads, pure Hip-Hop etc., but a popular fusion of many genres

    4. Must be highly engaged in promotions, active with fan-service.


    Other attributes like "Being in a group", works only in the combination of the above 4 criteria.


    Groups are not unique to K-pop, vocal groups like Big Mama exists in Korea, but they don't sing Kpop.

    CNBlue did pop(rock inspired), but since they don't all dance-sing, they are a band and not a group.

    And of course there is a long list of former-group members, going solo - still being Kpop idols. Taeyeon, Sunmi etc,


    Thoughts?

  • Is once an idol, always an idol - true?

    Quote from WhyKnock

    she emphasizes being an artist she will always remain an idol

    She doesn't right? In the Pieces documentary, she says she sees no difference between idol, artist and musician, sees them in continuum.


    But rather it is some others, who see her as an artist.

    Mostly in complimentary way, since artists are considered better than idols (which IU disagrees with )

    Or because if she is considered an idol, then their favourites will not be holding many of the records -digitals, popularity, IT-ness etc.


    In any case, her being an artist, does not lead to her being not an idol, i.e. once an idol, always an idol.

  • Is once an idol, always an idol - true?

    Quote from harambelives

    Yeah, the ones you mentioned are still treated as idols because they still have idol qualities about them like doing the usual promo, having their careers mainly managed by label (music given to them, concepts etc) and generally targeting younger audiences like pop stars almost always do.


    Even someone like Taeyeon who started off having a solo career doing OSTs then went full time into a very successful solo and is arguably closest to being an " artist" still seen as an idol. It doesn't negatively impact get at all so why not go along with it especially as she very clearly likes most of the usual idol stuff like TV shows and promoting with members.

    Promos - Not unique to idols, even trot, hiphhop do so.

    Managed by labels - again not unique to idols.

    Music given to them - then are self producing cases like Soreon, G-Dragon not idols?

    Targeting younger audience- that's difficult to quantify, isn't it?


    I agree that even they diversify, it is good to have the label, which brings back to the original question.


    Is once an idol, always an idol?

  • Is once an idol, always an idol - true?

    Quote from harambelives

    Generally yeah, idols remain idols unless they do something drastically different. That could mean become a full time actress, be a soloist who basically controls everything about their career like IU (the "artist" type), distance yourself from Kpop like Jay Park or pull a seungri

    They can do other things, get other labels, but do they cease being idols?


    What about if they go solo - Hyuna, Sunmi, Chungha types.. do they remain idols?

  • Hannibal vs Scipio, Napoleon vs Wellington , BTS vs Iu.

    Quote from WhyKnock

    I compared Bernadotte to VIVIZ which was part of Hybe . (They did attend IU's concert.)


    But it is true that Eight became a yoke to BTS. IU clearly intended to call Suga in the last concert, using Eight as the title song, but that did not materialize so it was not a full conversion

    So GFriend got kicked out because of their allegiance to IU bei.

    Suga is vacillating,

    Now Easter Wu Jennie is 'trapping' a Cao general V.


    Cao is indeed in trouble.

  • Hannibal vs Scipio, Napoleon vs Wellington , BTS vs Iu.

    Liu Bei.. is immaterial.. the true hero is Zhuge Liang.

    Again you are giving a hidden compliment that "IU is the Zhuge Liang of Kpop".. so nice.


    But why are you leaving the story half way,

    Eventually Cao Caos fell to the Simas and ZL(Liu Bei) ran out of resources, and Simas were left ruling the 3 kingdoms, but for a short span.


    So if BTS is Cao Wei, IU is Shu Han, BP is Eastern Wu - then someone has to first capture BTS from inside - Enhyphen/Txt?, then push IU out with a "honourable retirement" and then devastate BP.


    That is a better analogy than Hannibal/Scipio or Napoleon/Wellington.

  • IU Space

    This is a good compilation of the light stick show at Jamsil..


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  • Who would you like to see play Jamsil next?

    Quote from Reclaimer

    Really? Is there a comparable venue available until then?

    No. Kakao is building one, but don't think it will be the large.

    Other option is the football stadium.. But that is not liked by Soccer fans, who complain the the turf is ruined by the concert goers etc.


    But frankly, very few acts in Korea actually can pull 40000+ audience, despite what their fans believe.

    Korea is not a big concert going culture

    Even a top tier act will need a decent percentage of foreign fans flying in.


    That's why it is rare.


    Swag apart,

    I don't get the deal with such large venues, where most of the audience will anyway see the act only on screens, they will be a speck on the stage,

    Yes the atmosphere well be great.. but anyway m..

  • Who would you like to see play Jamsil next?

    Quote from the101

    Oh, I just used the list in Wikipedia, but I didn't count the label events with multiple groups since it wasn't a single group headlining. What's the full list?

    Search for it, but I think JYJ, Seo Taiji is missing even if it is only Kpop and there are a few non Kpop soloists as well - Cho Pil Young is one..

  • Who would you like to see play Jamsil next?

    Jamsil main.. That's not the full list. Also not all of them were to 40000+ audience.


    In any case the stadium is going to start renovations, so will not be available for at least a couple of years.


    And who knows what will be picture of the Kpop industry when it becomes available again.


    NCT 127 might be the last Kpop group to perform there for the foreseeable future.

  • lilli lilli, MAKAMAKA, MINIMANI, newish GG names are certainly something else

    Crayon Pop's "Bar Bar Bar" MV is supposed to be the cheapest ever..

    Tracksuits and helmets, filmed in an abandoned amusement park.


    Nugus have to stretch on a shoestring budget.


    IU's Hey was filmed in the basement studio..


    So if they succeed, then these stories become their legend.