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PSA: Those who complain about 'chart obsession' are advised to ignore this thread
What do AKP's data crunchers think of this Melon analysis? Any surprises or insights?
I was surprised to see no other BGs, not even Bigbang or GGs in the top 10 songs.
Non-Kpop /Soloists dominate.
But I think in another 10 years, that would change. Kpop domination starts in S.Korea starts from 2017.
EDEM, TTN, SD - Top songs
https://n.news.naver.com/article/014/0005325049?
The most loved domestic artist in Melon users' playlists of all time was IU, and the most-played song was Paul Kim's 'Every Day, Every Moment'.
On the 24th, Melon, a music platform of Kakao Entertainment, analyzed the 'playlist' data in users' music drawers over the past 20 years through Data Lab, and the results were as follows. 'Music Drawer' is a music archive service where users can easily view service usage history such as 'Recently Listened ', 'Liked ', 'My Playlist ', 'Frequently Listened ', and 'Fan Made'. It provides users with a more meaningful experience by connecting to personal memories of the time they listened to music.
According to Melon Data Lab's analysis, a total of 102 million playlists were created by Melon users over the past 20 years, and a total of 12.84 million songs by approximately 1.13 million artists were included in these playlists. The cumulative number of times they were included was approximately 8.15 billion.
The artist with the most songs in 120 million playlists was IU. There were 16.97 million playlists with IU's songs, and she was included 91.85 million times. Since her debut in 2008, IU has established herself as a national star by creating numerous hit songs, and she ranked first in both the number of playlists and the number of times her songs were included. This is an overwhelming figure, accounting for 16.6% of all playlists.
BTS came in second, with 68.1 million songs included in 9.5 million playlists. Taeyeon was included 35.35 million times in 11.14 million playlists, recording the second-highest number of songs included in playlists after IU.
The foreign artists who received the most love in Korea were Maroon 5 and Justin Bieber.Paul Kim's "Every Day, Every Moment" was recorded as the song that was included the most in playlists. It took the title of the most-included song, with 2.13 million Melon users adding it to 3,928,000 playlists. It is a song that has received consistent love, being named in the Melon Annual Chart TOP
100 for 7 consecutive years since 2018. The second most-included song is IU's "Through the Night " and the third is BTS's "Spring Day", which were added to a total of 3,071,000 playlists. This song also holds the meaningful record of being the song with the most streaming of all time on Melon and the song that stayed on the annual chart for the longest period of time (8 consecutive years). The top
10 domestic songs most-included in Melon's music drawer were mainly of the "ballad genre." Following Paul Kim, IU, and BTS, 4th place goes to AKMU 's "How can I love the heartbreak, you're the one I love ", 5th place goes to Paul Kim's "Meet You ", 6th place goes to Ailee 's "I Will Go to You Like the First Snow ", 7th place goes to Sung Si-kyung's "All of Your Moments ", 8th place goes to MeloMance's "Gift ", 9th place goes to Jannabi's "For Lovers Who Hesitate ", and 10th place goes to Heize 's "Rain ( Feat. Shin Yong-jae)". The most included foreign song is Anne-Marie's "2002 ", and the second most included foreign song is Ed Sheeran's " Shape of You" . -
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Jennie Kim has not established an identity beyond Blackpink yet,
Blackpink is bigger than Ive - overall.
Therefore Jennie is bigger than Ive.
However Ive in Korea, looks well set to beat Blackpink, in records, already have in some ways. If they continue, then they might end up being bigger than Blackpink too.
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I personally disagree with this, Eunbi is more popular than she ever was in IZ*One. She was the most anti'd member of the group when they were active. And with Chungha, Chungha would never have been able to do Spanish releases, or EDM collabs while under MNET and CJ&M. They would have halted that real quick. I would rather the artists be happier with more creative freedom than to brag about charting spots.
Sure Somi did not live up to expectations of her being the break out girl from Produce 101 and sometimes things do not go as planned but to act like all the soloists need to revert back to a group. Going back to being silenced and stiffled as nothing more than a girl filling a spot in a group, and no ability to show personality or originality is not a good thought process.
Edit: As many others said in this thread, the obsession with charts and charting, has to stop. If your only goal is to see people rise up the charts instead of good music, you are not a music fan you are a success fan.
My personal taste is my personal taste. I have a variety, some wildly popular, some very niche classical artists
But definition of impactful career in commercial music is measured statistically by charts.
It is "sour grapes" attitude to ignore that.
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Sejeong didn't release a song since 2023, and Chungha was charting on TOP100 last year. So, you can't act as if people forget them. They're obviously not topping charts anymore, but they're not nugus.
It's not my opinion. This is a fact! Chart doesn't matter and it don't represent the whole industry. Especially when Koreans starting to use Youtube and Spotify more than any other Korean platforms. And like I said, 99% of Kpop Idol soloists are flopping on Charts after 2-5 years. That's why it's ridiculous to measure the success of an artist based on Charts.
Let's say if there are more than 3 Idol soloists other than IU, GD and Taeyeon who can top charts after many years, your argument could mean something, but when 99% of Kpop is flopping, there is zero reason to talk about Charts.
And it's not just Kpop, btw, because even in the West, most singers can't chart, but that doesn't mean people don't care about them. This obsession with Charts and Streaming has to stop.
I didn't not say "flopping", don't put words in my mouth.
Sure there are multiple ways to earn and measure other than charts, I agree YT data missing is a huge for charts.
Nevertheless of the available metrics they are the least unreliable to assess the reach of an artist in the market.
If you have a better metric, other than "Trust me bro", so share.
To study any field or industry, numbers are a necessity and for Kpop charts provide that.
Of course it is not needed to appreciate art.
You don't want to use charts, then don't.
But I reject you gratituous hectoring.
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This isn't just personal appreciation. I'm just saying how it is, 99% of artists, not just in Kpop can't chart. Both Chungha and Sejeong are loved and very popular. You know damn well that not every song can chart, but that doesn't mean people don't love those songs or the artists.
Let's be real, almost every song that chart in the TOP10 or even topping the charts doesn't have longevity, especially nowadays, and that's why Charts doesn't mean much. I mean, any song can top a chart for a week or even for a month, but why is that matter or makes a song or the artist better if after a month people will move on and don't care about it anymore?
I said this so many times. Charting, especially as a soloist in Kpop is not easy, it's basically nonexistent, unless you're IU, G-Dragon or Taeyeon. Everyone else is basically finished after a short period of success. That's why we shouldn't make assumptions based on digital numbers.
Not to mention, if you don't release music every year and promote yourself massively, you don't really have a chance. Sejeong charted pretty well in her early career, and Chungha has much better charting, only her latest album didn't chart in TOP100.
Thanks, I am aware of their pasts. The fact remains that their music isn't doing well now.
We should stop beating the same bush again and again.
You live in your own world, where only you subjective opinion matters.
I do too, but only for myself. Outside of that, I look to statistical data to quantify anything and for music, it is the charts.
You are never going to accept that. I am never giving that up.
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Sejeong, and especially Chungha is not really a good example, because Sejeong is one of the most popular actresses in Korea, and her music career is great as well. I mean, she released the best album in 2023. She doesn't release songs for the sake of it, she's a real artist.
As for Chungha, I don't think I need to say much. One of the most popular soloists in Korea, and MORE VISION is doing a fine job with her.
Just because someone don't top the charts all the time, doesn't mean they're finished.
Again personal appreciation for the song, is subjective.
I very much enjoyed and still regularly listen to songs from "Door"
But objectively, doing well in music means charting well, that Sejeong hasn't.
That they are doing well otherwise, in other ways is a different topic.
Soloists need either group fandom or acting success, to reach greater market.
That's the reality.
Else their reach will be limited, and that's reflected by the charts.
Nothing about the quality of their music.
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Thankfully I use LISTS on Twitter, so I only see posts from people I actually care about, and they don't post spoilers.
I watched the latest episodes, and damn, this show just keeps getting better. The writing is so good!
The song is in the credits, so it has nothing to do with the story. Her voice is so soothing.
The song is at #100 right now, but the peak was #93 so far. I don't think it's gonna top the charts. IU's OSTs usually don't do that. The only OST she released and topped the charts was the one for "Crash Landing on You", I think, and that was a PAK as well.
"Hold My Hand" was also an OST, did very well on initial release in 2011(?), but also had a good reverse run in 2021.
But yes, she rarely does OSTs and then they don't necessarily follow her regular music like charting
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Of course you decide, it’s totally your choice to keep a restricted point of view. And you’re welcome, I’m known for giving out great of those 😉
I have stated my reason for picking those metrics.
Your faves most be faring badly on those, for you to have the objection,
You can join CaraFIMIE in their mourning of LSF doing badly in this release.
As to self certifying yourself, that's the worst possible metric.
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Didn't expect IU releasing an OST for her new Kdrama, but anyway, I'm not complaining! I didn't hear it yet, because I want to watch the latest episodes first!😅
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I also am holding off.. even staying off X, too many spoilers.
But it is a sudden drop, so wonder how it will chart. Somehow think it is not going to be another "Give You My Heart", the vibe of the drama is very different
We will see.
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You are limiting yourself on purpose when there're so many sides to success, including korean ones. Discussing with you is like trying to make someone see widely when they only operate with tunel vision. A waste of time! Don't limit yourself like that, you may miss out on a lot of your own faves can do by focusing in only one metric.
My faves are not based on charts
But for my analysis, I decide which data I choose to use.
And I know that Melon ULs are the least manipulated by the machinations of obsessive fans, I prefer that too judge public popularity.
Followed by Circle Digitals.
Thanks for the unsolicited advice.
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I have so many words, except I can understand sarcasm.
Heck, I pretty much speak sarcasm.
But D.Umbridge? DUUUUDE
Shasha maybe, but Minatozaki Sana NEVER
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Thats all that matters to me.
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Success is needed to reach 'release' to more of the listeners.
If success is not needed, why do 'musical acts' even bother with commercial releases and promotions, they could as well release on YT/Soundcloud without any copyright protection.
Yes, it is sad that people limit their 'choices' to only that is extremely popular, it is lazy of them to just bandwagon on.
Nevertheless, that is the reality of the society/markets, most will just mindlessly conform to the popular - be it in politics, religion, products or culture.
