Posts by bbgc

Quote from NekoMencer

Just shut down kpop as a whole, it's just too bloated.

These people will talk about it, write articles about it, but they won't protest or ask (formally) for their governments to make certain laws exclusively for these idol industry, or in my humble opinion just don't allow them to have under 18 trainees because, they don't just put them under these sorts of diet, they also do medical procedures on underage kids, it's such a ridiculous thing to do on someone's face or body who is still growing up.

Woah.. no medical procedures on underage kids.. what are you - MAGA?

I don't know enough about 1st Gen, so I will leave it out.

For me, merely massive sales does not matter in the long run- international expansion etc.,

Most critical criteria is whether they shifted the cultural paradigm.

So will just go with.

SNSD - think probably the group with most consensus, as the definitive GG.

2NE1 - the other side to SNSD

New Jeans - for both their artistic output and corporate conflict. That Youtube Live challenging HYBE, might a major inflection point.

GIDLE- Self producing GG, Soyeon and others.

IOI - the start of public voted project groups, and the greatest missed opportunity in Kpop

The rest 5 spots can be SES, TWICE, BP, SISTAR, Mamamoo ,

They are doomed never to be the Generation leaders.

The mishandling of Garam affair, more so the edited documentaries and then all the revelations from Min Heejin. Though Illit takes the most backlash, LSF is not spared.

So they will be in the same position as say RV from 3rd gen. Successful yes, but not the leaders TWICE & BP were.

Individually, Sakura & Chaewon of course stand out the most, thanks to PD28/Iz*one

I think Yunjin has the most potential for a solo career.

Rest have some cute moments, but really don't impinge on a casual viewer.

Quote from eunchaepower

if anyone is asking for a source for this information it came to me in a dream

Your dream is WhyKnock 's nightmare , then as well make it "Blue House"

Min HeeJeans is the most fitting one.

Quote from ISaidISaid

more like I completely ended your argument an you had no rebuttal lol.

You literally used the fallacy that gets mocked at in logical circles. It’s not even some subjective opinion lol. You simple cannot make the inferences you made based on those facts unless you’re stupid.

Hope this helps ❤️

It sure helps to confirm you as a deluded fool, who self-certifies ..meh.

Rebuttals are for the reasonable, not to those who go looking around for a fight & incapable of making an argument without ad hominem etc.,

Anyway, your intellectual flaws (or mine) are irrelevant to this thread. So keep vomiting whatever.. bye.

They came as the much anticipated Min Heejin's GG. When HYBE recruited MHJ it was considered a great coup in the industry.

I liked the way they debuted, no fanfare, no dragged out teasing etc., just Bam.. "Attention", and they definitely caught the attention, with the long unseen theme/style, which was refreshing after all that surfeit of "I don't care plasticky" girls. I obviously don't know all GGs, but in recent times only NJ and Billlie stood out different for me in terms of concepts.

And they had a fantastic 2 years, breaking records which were piled up by veterans over many years. On Korean charts, they were ranking alongside Bigbang, IU and BTS, within 2 years of debut.. that is stupendous.

I liked few of their songs, not all. "Hurt" probably is the one I liked the most.

Unless idols show considerable creative input, I prefer to look at the producers/creatives, I would credit Pdogg/BSH for BTS, more than the members, Teddy for BP and so on, and

New Jeans for me is Min HeeJeans

Individually, it is the behaviour during the disputes that made the members stand out.

Hanni of course more so than others.She also stood out with Aoi Sangosho and on Lee Mujin.

IU of course highlighted Hyein on Palette and then the feature on Shh.

Others I didn't see much individuality. But again I don't seriously follow all activities and news.

It is sad that corporate politics spoiled what could have been a great group with many years of success.

Even if they survive in some form, will they achieve that potential without MHJ or without ADOR-HYBE?

Future will tell.

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This is such a stupid argument I always roll my eyes at it.

When people start responses this way, I deem them trolls and shut my eyes to the rest.

I visit AKP pretty much only for one agenda, the longest running one, the one based on a lot of history and inventive titles - waged by the great WhyKnock ,against the pernicious influence of IU on K-pop and K-O-R-E-A-N-S who don't know what is good for them.

Quote from WhyKnock

Yes, for some reason the river flows different ways in SK and the rest of the world where there used to be no long term hits in SK, even the songs of Senior Singer , but now hits lasting for a long time is quite common

Thanks to gods for that. It would be a boring world if everybody has the same taste.

Streaming has changed the game a lot, tougher to get to the top, but once on top, can last longer.

Quote from harambelives

You said her "success as a soloist is because of Soshi" but isn't correct as I pointed out she was having success as a soloist before SNSD blew up (same with Yoona who was gaining popularity before SNSD)

You misread - I said "even before".

My words are "Taeyeon was noticed as a formidable vocalist even before Soshi debuted, yet her success as a soloist is because of Soshi."

Other factors like beauty, packaging, promotions are too broad and too variable to consider for this evaluation.

And you have not said anything to dispute my primary point that "mere vocals are insufficient to have a lasting successful top notch career in kpop" it has to be "vocals+X" and that X for Taeyeon is SNSD.

It does not matter if the group goes inactive, after the legacy and fandom has been built, it will continue to payoff.

Without that X, Taeyeon would have still have a good career, but nothing compared to what she has now.

She might have another Sohyang maybe. But as you know, Sohyang while admired for her vocals, hardly has the popularity of Taeyeon.

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Psy was everywhere in the months when Gangnam Style was hot and the craze lasted for 3 months

Roseanne Park, MBE, was nowhere to be found so the craze dies after a month.

If she could not get Bruno Mars to cooperate, finding an English speaking idol who would promote with her would not have been very difficult.

Times have changed a lot since the days of Gangnam Style, which came at the explosive early days of youtube, so could sustain longer with the wave reaching different countries with some delay.

Now a month itself is a big deal.

Within SK

Gangnam Style had 5 weeks on Gaon chart, which your Senior Singer already had with Good Day and since, others as well. Even this year both Day 6 and Aespa have done so. And then there is Ditto/Dynamite which have done 10+ weeks.. Gangnam Style is hardly the standard in SK.

Gatekeeping is a stupid concept.

Quote from harambelives

She had 2 explosive OSTs If and Can You Hear Me both in 2008 with If charting on Melon OST for over a decade consecutively. She was a household name as a singer before SNSD had Gee. She literally got famous because of her singing ability.

Didn't I already mention that.

But my point is that the dynamics of the Kpop industry drastically changed, that Soloists merely by vocal ability, would not have achieved the current levels of success.

There are few successful solo vocalists pre-2010, but they were all overtaken by the "groups" wave, how many would remember say Son Dambi?

If Taeyeon did not join SNSD, then she would not have had as great a career as now, no matter how many hit OSTs she delivers.

It is not that they were not aware of it, the Rookie IU pretty much says so in Heroes.

So to succeed in Kpop as a soloists, mere vocals are not enough, you need something more. And Taeyeon's is SNSD.

Oh come on.. even the most viral song eventually gets replaced on the charts. It has had a great run for more than a month.

That is impressive.

Quote from bethesda

Is Kamala Harris viable? One of the reasons she lost is because she did not participate in the primaries.

She had a short amount of time to campaign: 3 full months (August, September, and October)

Maybe if she runs for President again before the primaries begin, she could win because of having more time to campaign (if nominated)

Not at all viable.

In 2020 she couldn't win a single delegate & was selected as VP purely for identity politics.

She scores very low on "authenticity", even on identity basis.

I agree with the theory that Biden screwed DNC, first by delaying his drop out, then by endorsing Harris, preventing DNC from having a primary, which Kamala had a very low chance of winning.

So DNC had to pretend that the VP they largely ignored for 4 years, was suddenly the great saviour.

Fake.

She is history.

DNC would be foolish to consider her at all. And if she enters primary, she will be massacred by multiple far more capable Democrats.

AOC reached out to those who voted both Trump and for her down the vote, to find why they made such an opposing choice.

The general opinion is that people see both Trump and AOC as authentic voices, anti-establishment.

Even if they agree/disagree with the actual policies.

I think that sentiment is going to last well into 2028.

So the types of Newsom, Desantis are bad choices.

Both parties will have to put up candidates not seen as part of the "Machine", somewhat of outsiders.

Vance is fine for RNC, but DNC needs to find their own. AOC seems the most viable.

She is one of the best.

But great vocals in Kpop is as relevant as great cooking skills in a McDonalds.

Bad skills will be noticed, but superlative will be ignored and redundant.

Taeyeon was noticed as a formidable vocalist even before Soshi debuted, yet her success as a soloist is because of Soshi.

Because mere great vocals aren't enough in Kpop.

Otherwise EXID Solji, Kim Boa etc. would be the top tier stars.

You need something more,

IU went with Lyricism and good acting career.

But other vocalists largely struggle, if they aren't from top groups or have an additional X factor.

If I want to hear great vocals, I would rather look at classical or opera singers, not Kpop.

Quote from Taemin-Identity

IU is an entirely different case

She promoted herself only in Korea and only worked in Korea most of the time

And her last comeback flopped

See Yama-Chan , the classic case of "Expectation Benchmark"

Even though all the songs of The Winning album charted within top 30(?)

The 2 titles within top 10,

and the EP still the top 3(?) digital points earner of 2024

It is still a "flop" because the "Expectation Benchmark" for every IU single is #1 and PAKs.

While the same stats would be considered superhit for 99% of other acts.

That's why "Hits" are only partly quantitative and the other is about perception.

At this point Twice will need not just to quantitatively improve, but have to rebuild that "expectation benchmark"

That's a tough ask.

Quote from bethesda

How can a project happen by a Democrat?

From a Republican it can happen because of The Heritage Foundation.

But I don't think the Democratic Party has a think tank like The Heritage Foundation.

Planning groups need not to be labelled explicitly as thinktanks.

They could very well be innocuously named & operating as some NGO or PAC or lobbying firm or academic study circle, whatever.

And even if there is no such group - narrative influences in DNC or RNC elite are still going to be doing such things.

Or outside political parties, Soros sponsoring local prosecutors is another way to influence the system.

One of the open secrets of Left Success, is that it remains ambiguous and vague, not offering well named targets like The Heritage Foundation/Project 2025, while Right fumbles at that.