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BTS have already demonstrated they're the exception in many ways.
What are the ways in which they are 'exception' - I hope you get what I am asking - "exception" is not about "greater and better achievement" - expanding the possibilities - but something outside the realm of possibility for that profession.
UN, WH, Grammy etc., are still within the trajectory of great music acts - though BTS is the first such from Korea or in some cases non-West.
So what are the exceptions?
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It might have been the high point in Ennik's life since her solo career has lagged. There were plans to send her to the West to be promoted there but Covid ended such plans and now she is wasting time in K-O-R-E-A, doing nothing.
Doing nothing.. does not Social Media influencing, CFs count - she is still making good money.
Teddy model nowadays.... do some occasional music just to pretend as idols, otherwise make money through other avenues.
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Depends,
If the job is a necessary step towards my long term career goals, then yes.
But if it is just job, which is a diversion from my career path, then no.
If I don't know for sure - my career or how the job fits in it, then it depends on other factors - prospects, how much difference is the pay, my economic situation and finally 'mentor' advice.
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I think rap is added later.. it is all an industrial process.. some make the tune, some add beats, toplining, chords has its own expert, then a guide track, then rap and lyrics.
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ioi are so talented they can make rejected song as one of the most legendary kpop song ever
They sure are.
But pretty much every song in the industry is a "rejected" song by some one or the other.
Barring self-producing idols, most songs are passed around multiple artists, before someone decides to go with it. Similar to movie or drama scripts.
For example the hit of this year "Love Dive* was offered to Sunmi, but eventually went to Ive.
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History works in strange ways
The North Korean attempt on SK President Park Chunghee in 1968 was foiled because two woodcutters near Seoul spotted the commandos
(The woodcutters, who were illiterate, were made into policemen because of their contribution.)
Ok IU is El Presidente of Kpop.
IOI the woodcutters
Twice the North Koreans
Very Very Very the commandos
- whackier and whackier
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In the whacky world of Whyknock, anything is possible.
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dont disrespect red velvet like that. red velvet are cool, itzy are lame
Subjective opinions are lame, objective analysis is cool.
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In this timeline
VVV - late 2016
TT - early 2017, before TtL and everything else
Knock Knock - late 2017, instead of Signal, which ended the heyday of Twice.
The journey of BTS and everyone else are retarded
while Lee Jieun sinks after the defeat of TtN, This Ending and Can't Love you Anymore. Palette cannot saver her, Lee Hyori thinks twice before inviting Lee jieun and that's it for the career of the person who harmed KPop more than anyone else. Without the success of TtN, no Flower Bookmark II so no Autumn Morning.
(Sinking of the aircraft carrier Hiryu during the battle of Midway)
IOI was gone by the beginning of 2017. RV, BlakPink and Mamamoo would have gone further .
Ironically it might have been better for BTS as well as Mr Bang would have realized that it would have been futile to do anything in K-O-R-E-A and moved the members to the overseas, avoiding all the drama in 2021-22.
Ennik Douma caused all of them, although not by her choice, which might be she is not really active too much nowdays.
And I am saying timeline is irrelevant.
Even if Japanese had succeed in sinking all the carriers in Pearl or at Midway, the industrial capacity of the US was still undeniable and matter of time. Yamamoto and others knew that well, they were only hoping for a truce and separation of spheres.
There was not stopping the sleeping giant and there was no stopping the Singing one either
Hyori had no particular power to resurrect anyone in 2017, it can be argued that B&Bs success was more due to IU, as was Sogyeokdong. Old icons have the respect, but can't pull numbers.
She released her album 'Black' right in the middle of the TV show, also did other promotions, but it hardly charted any well, the titles hit Top 20s. that is it.
TTN is the longevity success, but it is idiotic to ignore her other songs in 2017. Palette had G-D, possibly the most powerful male idol at that point, or even today.
So all your theories are nonsensical.
Twice doing VVV or IU not having TTN, do not make much tangible difference to how Kpop has proceeded since 2017 - nor the individual careers of Twice, IU or IOI.
IOI was preset to be temporary, so does not matter.
VVV might have given one more hit to Twice, but again not made much difference to their careers - which still was an amazing 4 years and then fading slowly.
As to it stopping IU... haah.
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Somi owes her career to Very Very Very. She was perfect for that center role, the song is super cutesy obviously, but Somi was the right age (only 15) and had the right vibe for it. Much harder for an older idol to pull this off.
Twice have admitted to cringing when the song was considered for them... understandable.
But then IOI was not just Somi, Nayoung was the eldest right - 95? the age distribution is not that different from Twice. I am sure IOI members also cringed.. but frankly neither would have had much of a choice. Despite the delusions of fans, most GGs and BGs have little to no say in creative decisions, even the top GGs and BGs.
And that is another reason why YK's love-hate is beloved of Korea, because they know when she sings, it is she who is conveying her own thoughts to them and not someone else's, neither is she one more name tacked on to an industrial team of song producers.
Never mind the actual ages. VVV fitted IOI as a fresh young group. It was good.
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One more counter history chapter from Whyknock about "The Woman High in the Digital Charts".
2017 had BTS becoming massive hits, BOL4 was killing it.
Not just Twice - but BP, Mamamoo and RV were doing fantastically well, in fact 2017 was the year of the GGs, like 2022 is turning to be.
Of course produce - IOI were crazy popular.
Twice were doing fantastically well at that point, back to back #1s, to need V-V-Very.
But even if you give all of IOI's success to Twice, it would have not at all stopped IU.
2017 was still a bigger year for her, than even 2021 -though numbers are better in 2021.
You think Twice with V-V-Very could have stopped IU from getting 4 back to back #1s in a single year, and all 4 PAKing?
It is not just TTN, even "Can't Love you Anymore" keeps climbing the charts regularly.
An unheralded "Autumn Morning" topped DNA.
So this counter-history is delusional. As well claim if a butterfly had beaten its wings a second later in the Amazon, then maybe IU would have not succeeded in K-pop.
IOI still has 3 very successful members, few in the next tier - hardly crash and burn. And it is good that they have a signature song in V-V-Very. Though Downpour is also their sig.
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Her lifelong hostility to KPop all culminated in that concert.
No one will beat her record for another 3 years, at least, and that does give her an advantage over everyone else , and she not being a KPopper does become a big detriment
Concert goers, especially in Korea, are serious fans who are willing to spend real money and time to support the singer and the nonKPopper, whose name I won't use in this thread, showed she could raise more serious fans than anyone else currently active in Korea.
That will be a huge drag on every single act originating from Korea, except the trottists, since no matter how well they do in sales and overseas concerts, if they can't outdo the nonKPopper their actual fame will be questioned by Koreans.
IU has many records that are not going to be broken anytime soon - 30 #1 songs, 21 PAKs, Most ULs in 1st 24 hours etc., This concert record being broken is more feasible than those.
It all depends on how you define a 'fan' - if it is those who buy physical albums, then she does not do that great. But yes, she always has pulled top numbers in Korea for her concerts, which is no surprise given the hold she has over the GP.
But all that is going to be no drag upon others, you are overestimating these things. Most people are not 'overthinking' about 'records achieved' when they are selecting some music to listen or artist to follow.
If pre-existing records are that crucial, then no new acts will arise for years together - whereas in Kpop new acts are constantly debuting.
Good promotions for visibility and then good enough music are the key, not any records be it in concerts or sales - physicals or digitals.
So while your post about her achievements are correct, your conclusions are nonsensical - achievements of any one act, is not a 'drag' on others.
There is no evidence to support that.
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Why, I thought Sneakers did very well?
They are kind of like "Red Velvet" among their contemporaries, not the leading group at the top, but still in the top 5%.
That is no mean achievement and very profitable.
And who knows, in Kpop a paradigm changing hit could hit from anywhere.
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There is little correlation between Album sales and Concert attendence.
It is pretty much well known that Album sales are entirely fandom driven and with activities such as bulk buying, crowd sourcing etc.
Similarly voting in awards is a joke.
But albums are crucial for sales revenue, the agency doesn't care whether it is bulk buying or not.
The most reliable measure is Unique Listeners for popularity, followed by concert attendance.
And yes, IU is very strong in those metrics in Korea.
And why would the authorities not invite her to perform, when she had already booked, cancelled due to COVID, when the construction got delayed, of course they should reach out to their cancellations.
But others are doing fine with concerts outside Korea, hence the difference might be due to cultural differences between Koreans and other places.
Between male and female acts etc.
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but kudos to the band, they did this in israel where the contest took place lol
they are activists and known for doing "controversial" stuff and people were afraid they'd do something on the stage and be disqualified. when it didn't happen people were happy because their song was good and it would be missed in the final. but when the votes were being announced for island and we got close up shot of them, they showed the flag lol. the broadcaster tried to remove the camera fast but it was too late. and this is the screenshot from their moment
slava ukraini is fine but let's punish palestine flag...
They can do that in Israel and at worst get a slap on the wrist.
But can they try anything like that in Palestine or most other Islamic States -anything critical of the regime.. ?
What is the 'kudos' in pulling stunts in a liberal democratic state?
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It is actually smart to do "Free Palestine" than other issues, since the Jewish whatever be their other strengths are a tiny market.
Whereas Muslims are majoritarian in 50+ countries, and huge in India - they operate more on the basis of religion, than nationality.
Whereas Free Kashmir will piss off a huge Indian-Hindu market.
Tibet, Taiwan or Xinjiang - definitely no no.
In S. Korea there are protests against migrant Muslims building a mosque, I am betting RM will be very silent on that issue
Celebrity endorsements of causes are "no skin in the game".
It was found out that Rihanna was paid for tweeting against the Indian government by separatists
So who knows.
Thankfully barring some emotional itch scratching on social media, celebrity activism has zero impact on the ground.
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