Half serious half joking :3
I think Winter is dating Jungkook
they will do worse than aespa like they already did in 2024!
So only 3 went? i am smelling a case of being divided on what to do with the case! 
So this became a reality lol
Display MoreI've mentioned months ago how the relationship between the girls and MHJ is not as weird as people try to make it seem. It's also super common to see students saying a teacher was like a second parent or that they were super important for their development as person, and you're not going to say they're being groomed, you're gonna praise that teacher and say they're great at their job. Using your example, there're MANY players that have moved out of their club after the manager left, and even followed this manager to their new team, it's a completely normal thing to do.
In general the Kpop community have many people with social problems that aren't able to correlate Kpop with normal life, it also happen with this image of perfection idols are forced to have. NJ completely broke that stereotype and the Kpop community don't understand their actions, when they're completely normal.
"Why would they want to leave the company? MHJ is just one person! If you want to leave because of MHJ is because you're being groomed! The company is still paying you!"
Dude the company has used a subsidiary to leak predebut videos of the girls dancing when they were 12, other subsidiary have called them object of adults fantasy, and the only woman defending them has been kicked out. It's antonishing that there're some people that don't (want to) understand why they HAVE to leave, hell the whole community should be supporting them if we all had functional brains since it would be an amazing step forward for future idols, yet you have people using Hybe's defense such as Ador not being the same as Hybe, while these things might be a problem for NJ from a legal point of view from a MORAL point of view we aaaaaaaaall know Hybe is playing dirty but here we are in this thread with people saying NJ should stay in the company (after these same users were claiming NJ should leave the company during most of 2024 btw).
This situation would not happen in any other industry, it's just Kpop with the abbusive companies and the ridiculous community that should go out and breath some fresh air.
Ah yes, i remember when i was in highschool my teacher confided on me a teenager that she wanted to off herself i cried with her in call and she told me how my call kept her alive, you know everyday school things in a teenager girl
Display MoreIt isn't novel or precedent setting though. Breach of mutual trust and confidence is a very very well known legal doctrine across the world. It isn't going to do any of the things you're hysterically predicting.
Frankly I'm impressed that you even believe it's novel considering the founding origins of this current iteration of the legal actions thus far.
Here, I'll even help remind you.
https://www.billboard.com/list…n-newjeans-feud-timeline/
Let me quote it one more time....
So now we've determined that Hybe believes it is legal to be able to fire someone and terminate their employment for a breach of trust right?
Now under the legal doctrine of reciprocity that if a contract goes one way then obviously it must be able to go the other way via the contract clauses...
Wait I shouldn't risk you not knowing or understanding this, it is very obvious to me that the odds are pretty high for both.
So we have determined that Hybe believes that you are able to unilaterally terminate a contract claiming a breach of trust of the CEO in their duty to protect the shareholders... Therefore under principles of reciprocity of contract it can be seen to be entirely reasonable that if a contract can be universally terminated between Hybe and MHJ due to a breach of trust... Then Newjeans can also unilaterally terminate their contract with Ador because they have lost trust in the CEO of Ador to protect the artists, namely them.
If anyone is being "novel" here it's Hybe.
But in fact it is entirely evident that you misunderstood completely the Judges specific statement here.
to quote Yama-Chans post which is quoting a twitter account here
Here he is saying that the typical reasons for the breach of trust between contracting parties is pecuniary in nature, but it isn't the case this time and this makes it special.
The judge isn't saying that breach of trust is novel, that the REASONS for the breach of trust is novel.
Please don't mistake this post as an open invitation to reply to me any further on the subject because as I'm not actually debating this with you, I have corrected your logical and linguistic errors on the matter.
Didn't MHJ won that and they were unable to fire her but later they just removed her from being a CEO but she was still hired for another position until she decided to quit? So by your own words we can say that the breach of trust HYBE claimed was already dismissed since there weren't enough proof and NJ's claims should be dismissed too?
Display MoreThey should still be free to leave if they give reasonable explanations, it's not like if they're taking advantage of their popularity to leave and make more money by themselves, they're claiming breach of trust.
Since football was mentioned a couple of pages back I'm going to compare it. In football players are also "products", a club can train and have in their non professional teams kids "taking advantage" of the club, but they will always have room to leave if other club comes and pays. Contracts are also shorter, and even in the case there're clauses (which are not mandatory) the price of the market is affordable to basically any other club of the same level, and this clause will always have to be agreed by the player.
If Kpop had a similar system it would make sense, yes they might have to pay to leave, but they'd have the possibility and it would make sense. In the case of Kpop we're literally locking people up on abbusive contracts, they are ridiculously long, MANY TIMES THEY DON'T EVEN GET PAID unlike any other reasonable contract, they're not being considered workers so the law can't defend them properly like we saw in Hanni's case...
Them being "products" like you said is the least important thing, there're maaaaaaaaany jobs like that, sports players, actors, models... But you're not going to find any contract like idols anywhere. Can you for god's sake stop justifying it?
What breach of contract, we still don't know if what NJ claim to be a breach of contract is, you already made up your mind that they are in the right, many people don't consider their claims to be enough to just walk away from a contract, if they can prove there was a breach then by all means leave the company for free but until they can prove it with more than words then is not enough
Some people are missing something as simple as the fact that anybody should be able to work where they want to work. If you're a worker and someone pays you more than in your job you can leave even if it's negative for the business, they can't lock you up. All this mess comes from idols not being considered workers, the shitty law in Korea and the social environment of the country which is decades behind most west countries.
It's completely ridiculous to see international fans defending this just because of the fact it's a kpop group, I swear reading some people posts it seems some people would allow slavery if it would mean to be applied to a kpop group they don't like.
I think what you and other people are not understanding is that being an idol is not a normal job, for example if i am hired by a store or whatever or as a waitress to work there and after 1 year or whatever i want to quit i am not really taking anything from the place i work at, idols like it or not are "products" are a brand and no i am not saying idols shouldn't be treated as humans, they should, but if i become an idol and in this case ADOR, is paying for my training in dancing, singing, acting and anything else they train idols on and then i become extremely popular, they work hard to make me popular and raise my brand to good levels, if i just quit i am taking that brand with me, i am taking something from the company i am taking their product, they prepare me and then after 2 years i leave, i will make millions independtly while ADOR won't earn anything more i don't understand how that's so hard to understand, and before you say "but new jeans already made enough money for ADOR to pay what they invested" investing on something doesn't work that way, you don't invest in something to go even, you invest to earn a lot more than what you are investing
So apparently that thing about the legal issue between the parents wasn't even leaked by the parents, it was the Judge that asked about it and a reporter wrote about it, so NJ's parents lied about it not mattering in the ongoing case
I only have one question which i hope anyone can answer because i don't know what happened in the case today, Hanni i think said how in the injuction case they couldn't present all their points but in the case today they were going to be able to bring other new points, did they do that? or did they present the same points they did in the injuction? because i remember Hanni going on social media saying that they couldn't say everything they wanted but there was a lot more to be said
Display Moreyou know one other thing I've noticed, not once has the Karen or the Patrick ever tried to actually debate me on the law itself. Just "You're wrong. I'm right."
TwiceKaren has gone as far as to ask if I'm a lawyer or not, say that I'm disagreing with lawyers so therefore I'm wrong and so on.
But NOT once, I've gone through the posting history to check. NOT ONCE have they ever actually shown a single damn source or made any logical argument at all to back up their claims. I'm serious. So as far as I'm concerned they're utterly worthless.
It's all 200% concern trolling through and through when posting in this megathread.
So this is interesting and kinda disturbing.
I would count this as PII and... I'd be hestitant to say more but at the very least it's fucking sketch on this information being released like this. But these people are playing with fire doing digging like this.
I'm not sure the media could cover this without stepping on someones toes about PII. Is this in the public interest? I'm not sure.
I think is funny you have mentioned me several times, if i am so worthless then stop wasting your time and chill out!
Display MoreAnyway.
This tea is piping hot. Try not to burn yourself.
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I have a legit question, i am sorry if it comes across like i am trying to start shit or something i just want to understand, why do Tokkis love to blind themselves about the situation NewJeans is in, don't get me wrong i understand wanting to be positive and wanting to be hopeful but sometimes it feels Tokkis are trying to delulu themselves into thinking everything is ok, like let's be honest here both sides are trying to push the narrative, NewJeans isn't as hated as haters claim but i am also sure their support from the general public is starting to change, i don't understand why fans want to act like NewJeans popularity won't be damaged in the slightliest or that every comment that doesn't align with themselves is a bot or paid by hybe or a troll
Display MoreEwww, look I just never understood this interest in Kpop Idols private lives. TBH I came in here trying to get a handle on all the fifty fifty accusations originally... Actually wait. I need to go back a hell of a lot to explain why I'm here.
I'm a very old man, my niece is actually a trainee and well she's also a huge kpop fan. She's been asking me to explain this stuff to her from day 1 of what happened.
I come from a high finance and legal background with a side order of military defence stuff. I'm NOT into Kpop really unless you actually count being exposed to it because of growing up in East Asia for part of my formative years and then working in East Asia half my life.
I read the original accusations and got confused, tried to dig deeper into it then people mentioned fifty fity and I dug into that and so on... mainly using Allkpop, reddit and all the other kpop fan sites as a resource to get a handle on it. So I could explain this nonsense clearly to my niece. And well... All I got still to this day is "hybe is lying and I don't know why". Well I do have an idea why but cannot prove it.
What eventually made me post was you know, reading all the hot takes on legal issues and that infuriated me because here's the deal. I've been doing this for decades and all the accusations flung by Hybe make ZERO sense.
Then I'd read how Newjeans did this or that wrong legally and I was like "no buddy you're stepping on my turf here, just because you have a thing about kpop is one thing you do NOT know what the hell you're talking about this or that legal thing."
If you've noticed every single one of my posts, when I'm not being snarky and condescending (at people who question me without actually having a good reason to question me), I'm laying out the information and explaining the logical reasolning and/or giving citations and quoting the laws directly.
The other side... are just making claims and telling people, if I'm being charitable not lies but severely distorting what is or isn't legal for various reasons. That actually makes me angry because I see it as a foundational duty when debating the law that you actually educate everyone around you about the law and not just pull shit out of your ass.
I've come to support newjeans not because I like their music (although old school Garage is one of my jams) but because the other side have consistently lied and talked complete bullshit about the law.
I've yet to see ANY of them quote any of the actual laws they're discussing. Not once.
Now to find them talking about teenage girls sex lives too? oh god that's just fucking gross and creepy.
To quote daisy,
What the fuck is wrong with you?
And then to paraphrase Tru-Multistan
Someone should call the authorities so they can check your computer...
Let me know if you are part of a law firm so i know who not to call if i ever find myself in legal trouble 
An extra 500
Do you need akorns?
I know, exactly this and this is why I've always felt that every single accusation has been a complete load of cow fertilizer from day 1. I've tried so hard and so many times to explain this and with evidence, citations to the law, logical reasoning and hell I'll even resort to smoke signals at this point... But the problem isyou can lead a moron to knowledge but you can't make them any smarter.
Maybe because no one aside from Daisy and Yama give a fuck about your opinion
the evidence is strong so 
